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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2010, 12:04:52 PM »
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Some of us aren't able to catch a wiewing of it til later tonight(Sat) - when BBC America shows it over here in the states.

Unfortunately, I work the late shift tonight - so I hope the do their usual replay at 12midnight or 1:00am.


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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2010, 03:16:39 PM »
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I am not interested in watching a tv show just to give someone a big send off. That's just total self indulgence. I expected a story, that's not at all what I got.
Oh, I wasn't defending RTD's grand exeunt at all -- see my linked comments regarding the Series 4 finale.  I really wish that a different writer had been tapped for the 10th Doctor's exit.

We watched it last night, and I thought the episode lacked coherence.  It was a hodge podge of neat ideas that didn't hang together, so no individual idea came off especially well.  The farewell to all of the Companion crowd was over-long and overwrought, but it served one very good purpose -- I think it provided proper closure for all of those characters so that we won't see them cropping up again.  The 11th Doctor will get a relatively clean slate.
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...and Ghostie? If you really dislike Doctor Who that much - then don't watch it.
Shut up, Ed.

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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2010, 07:54:03 PM »
Leaving the real events of "The End of Time" aside, indulge me in addressing my impressions of the new, 11th Doctor, played by Matt Smith:
  • For all of his youth (he's the youngest actor portraying The Doctor), he's surprisingly...homely.  Really, from the handful of promotional photos I'd seen of him, I expected him to be better looking.  I find this rather refreshing, actually.  I liked the goofy homeliness of Christopher Eccleston's 9th Doctor, and I'm rather glad that they're taking a bit of the glamorous polish off.  Davidson and Tennant were the pretty boys, and we can set all that aside for a while now.
  • Smith had a great kooky-old-man cackle that, however briefly we heard it, set him apart from Tennant's manic-brilliant-professor routine.
  • The main/navigational room of the TARDIS got blown to poop.  Will we be seeing a redesign in the new series?
I had mixed feelings about seeing Tennant go, but, all in all, I liked the little snippet of Smith that we got to see.  And with Steven Moffat in the driver's seat, I'm looking forward to the series to come.

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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2010, 08:53:16 PM »
I am with you there Ian, wife and I were expecting something a hell of a lot more emo considering the vast bulk of the promotional pictures, but we were pleasantly surprised .. for the same reasons as you have pointed out.

Since Steven Moffat wrote my all time favourite Doctor Who episode, Blink, along side with the terribly awesome tv mini-series, Jekyll, I am hoping that means good things for the new season.

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« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2010, 09:11:34 PM »
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....We watched it last night, and I thought the episode lacked coherence.  It was a hodge podge of neat ideas that didn't hang together, so no individual idea came off especially well.
 

Absolutely - I'm tired off world-threatening stuff happening like clockwork every Christmas. Considering the Doctor's had his Tardis throughout there's been too much happening on Earth for my liking and the special effects on some of the big set-pieces look crap.

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The farewell to all of the Companion crowd was over-long and overwrought, but it served one very good purpose -- I think it provided proper closure for all of those characters so that we won't see them cropping up again. !i!


And thank fuck for that. I've really enjoyed some of the episodes since DW returned but as DT's run continued I've been getting increasingly hit and miss about tuning in and even with iPlayer I haven't seen them all.
 

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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2010, 10:57:34 PM »
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Since Steven Moffat wrote my all time favourite Doctor Who episode, Blink, along side with the terribly awesome tv mini-series, Jekyll, I am hoping that means good things for the new season.
You're right -- Moffat wrote "Blink" as well as "Silence in the Library"/"Forest of the Dead", probably my two favorite stories (well, along with "Family of Blood", but that really dates back to the Sylvester years, doesn't it?).  And Moffat wrote "Jekyll", too?  Hot damn!  I didn't know that, but I'd been giving it the cool, appraising eye in the video store for the last month or more.  I have a reason to rent again.
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Absolutely - I'm tired off world-threatening stuff happening like clockwork every Christmas. Considering the Doctor's had his Tardis throughout there's been too much happening on Earth for my liking...
No kidding.  It's reached the ridiculous state of "Oh, Godzilla destroyed Tokyo...again?"  I mean, come on.  Surely, given all of Time and Space to work with, he could do a Christmas disaster extravaganza somewhere/when other than London here and now.  Okay, so the 2008 Special was set in Dickensian London*, but you know where I'd like to see one set?  Long, long ago, and far, far away on the planet Kashyyyk as the Wookies celebrate Life Day.  That'd warm my cockles.

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[*And I have some real problems with RTD's writing on that episode, if anyone cares to hear about them.]

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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2010, 11:58:18 PM »
Watching part two right now on BBC America.

Rescue down the stairs part was amusing.

Starting to wish Wilf would've been a traveling companion for a whole season.

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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2010, 02:54:05 AM »
Hey, here's a disappointment, and not a spoiler, I promise.

I'd read some time back that we'd be seeing the 8th Doctor, the Paul McGann incarnation, in some kind of flashback sequence in one of the 2009-2010 specials.  Did I blink?  Was he there somewhere and I just missed him?

I know this sounds stupidly sentimental, but I always felt bad about how the 8th Doctor got slighted, and I was looking forward to some way of sort of legitimising him in the new series.  Aside from the Journal of Impossible Things and the brief appearance in the Cybermen's infostamp, of course.

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« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2010, 07:31:03 AM »
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Hey, here's a disappointment, and not a spoiler, I promise.

I'd read some time back that we'd be seeing the 8th Doctor, the Paul McGann incarnation, in some kind of flashback sequence in one of the 2009-2010 specials.  Did I blink?  Was he there somewhere and I just missed him?

I know this sounds stupidly sentimental, but I always felt bad about how the 8th Doctor got slighted, and I was looking forward to some way of sort of legitimising him in the new series.  Aside from the Journal of Impossible Things and the brief appearance in the Cybermen's infostamp, of course.

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I haven't seen him - I always liked Paul McGann and wondered whether we could get a Four or Five Doctors special once the new one is established - possibly instead of a Christmass-y special? The 4th and 5th are looking a bit tubby but Sylvester McCoy would do.

Maybe some sort of creeping menance or a properly developed Gallifrey story.

EDIT: What were your issues with the Victorian cyberspecial out of interest? I remember watching the trailer with my Dad (who's really not a DW fan) and he was actually looking forward to it - he enjoyed watching David Morrissey in other programmes, but he wandered off part-way through.

I do understand that it's a children's show, but to me as though it's losing the 'scare factor'. I remember when The Empty Child was broadcast staff at school were talking about it, not just the kids and simply saying 'Are you my mummy?' got recognition from lots of adults.

Ah well, fingers crossed for the new series.
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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2010, 11:56:08 AM »
Paul McGann was in several audio stories for Dr. Who. (Big Finish? BBC Audio?) It's not the tv show, but Dr. Who works rather good in "radio show" format too and Paul McGann has a good voice. Great actor.

oh and jic this hasn't been posted/seen, Dr. Who Series 5 trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tPte4rQMpI

looking good can't wait until the new episodes start. I hope those are Sea Devils, I always like them and the Silurians and FX these days can do much better than rubber suits.

I too like Steven Moffat's work.

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« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2010, 12:23:28 PM »
Thank You Casey!!

In that preview I think I spotted the Angels from "Blink", Daleks, and possibly Dr. River Song. I really like Dr. Song (and the actress that plays her)

Now that I've seen him in motion - running, jumping, punching people and stuff - the new guy doesn't look so 'young' after all. Not as young-ish as people were complaining about.
 There is something mildly off and weathered about his face - but in a good way.


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« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2010, 12:36:50 PM »
The Daleks in the upcoming series look like the old "rebel" gray ones.

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« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2010, 02:42:22 PM »
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What were your issues with the Victorian cyberspecial out of interest?
My real problem with the episode had to do with how it came together at the end.  Morrisey's "Next" Doctor, although not the true Doctor, has been cavorting about London, achieving all manner of impossible (or at least highly improbable) and heroic deeds.  For all intents and purposes, he really is The Doctor.  So, in the scene where he and the 10th Doctor release all the child laborers from their bonds, he discovers his lost son.  This is really his big moment, the point in the episode where he really ought to be the hero he didn't know he was before taking on the role of "The Doctor".  But what happens?  He freezes, and the 10th Doctor, who has plenty of other opportunities to play the hero before the episode is over, swings up like a swashbuckler to save the day, totally upstaging the boy's father.

I'll admit it, the culmination of this episode offended my sensibilities as a father, and I believe it underscored some flawed* notions RTD has about the father-child relationship.  That really was the moment where the father needed to be the hero to his own child, and Davies either didn't understand that, didn't care, or had disdain for the idea.  Not only do I think it would have been appropriate for Morrisey's character to play the hero in that scene, I think it would have had more significant impact on the viewers -- not only is The Doctor a hero himself, but he inspires others to deeds of great heroics.  It was a lost moment, and, worse than that, a badly fumbled one.

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[Edit: Okay, if not flawed, at least found wanting.]
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« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2010, 03:00:17 PM »
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...and possibly Dr. River Song. I really like Dr. Song (and the actress that plays her)
The blonde with the catseye sunglasses at 0:23?  There's a resemblance, but I'm not sure that's Alex Kingston.*  River Song is supposed to be reappearing in the 11th Doctor continuity, though.

From re-watching "Silence in the Library"/"Forest of the Dead", I got the distinct impression that her relationship was with the 10th Doctor, somewhere after dropping Donna off and prior to "The Waters of Mars".  Think about it -- without a steady, documented Companion for relative history, there could be decades of adventuring between those events.  Dr. Song definitely seemed to know the 10th Doctor by face, even though he hadn't met her yet.  There are all kinds of continuity issues to be ironed out, I suppose.

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[Edit: Focusing on the distinctive curve of that mouth, I think perhaps that is Alex Kingston.]
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« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2010, 04:06:58 PM »
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Leaving the real events of "The End of Time" aside, indulge me in addressing my impressions of the new, 11th Doctor, played by Matt Smith:
  • For all of his youth (he's the youngest actor portraying The Doctor), he's surprisingly...homely.  Really, from the handful of promotional photos I'd seen of him, I expected him to be better looking.  I find this rather refreshing, actually.  I liked the goofy homeliness of Christopher Eccleston's 9th Doctor, and I'm rather glad that they're taking a bit of the glamorous polish off.  Davidson and Tennant were the pretty boys, and we can set all that aside for a while now.
  • Smith had a great kooky-old-man cackle that, however briefly we heard it, set him apart from Tennant's manic-brilliant-professor routine.
  • The main/navigational room of the TARDIS got blown to poop.  Will we be seeing a redesign in the new series?
!i!
can't judge matt smith on the basis of a short trailer. However he is too young. He may be an amazing actor for all I know (so was tennant, but that didn't save the show from his overwrought personification of the dr), but the dr needs to be older. It's just how his character is.
I had mixed feelings about seeing Tennant go, but, all in all, I liked the little snippet of Smith that we got to see.  And with Steven Moffat in the driver's seat, I'm looking forward to the series to come.
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