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Title: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on December 29, 2021, 11:47:01 AM
NOTE: New Boba Fett episodes drop on Wednesdays. Please keep this thread spoiler-free until the Saturday after an episode drops. After that, all topics for the current episode are open for discussion.

Episode 01 dropped this morning.

Short version: Good, but it doesn't move as quickly as I'd hoped. It's a 50/50 mix of story and backstory. There are a ton of flashbacks covering what happened to Boba Fett after the events of ROTJ. That comes at the expense of new storyline and character introductions.

What we see this episode seems to cover maybe half of what was shown in the trailers.

I think that's all I'm going to say for now. It's good, go watch it.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Thornhammer on December 29, 2021, 05:44:15 PM
I’ll agree with that assessment. I enjoyed it.

Listen carefully to what is being played in the cantina. It is subtle.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on December 30, 2021, 10:57:49 PM
I'm liking it so far. I would have prefered they put out more Mandalorian episodes, but I'm really liking that they can take the story in a different direction with Boba Fett. (He can be a bit more ruthless than Djin Djaren)

I remember a lot of fans wanting more of the seamier side of the Star Wars universe. With Mandalorian and now Book of Boba Fett, it must feel like a bonanza.

I really hope they don't fall into the rut Mandalorian made out of season two, which had far too much cameos for my tastes. I don't mind cameos, but I really like it when they introduce new characters insead of rehashing old ones. Star Wars has become far too small a universe, and it doesn't have to be.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: HappyDaze on December 31, 2021, 12:32:08 AM
First episode didn't really grab my interest, but I'm willing to give it a few more weeks to get better. Way too many non-talking characters in the first episode for my liking.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 03, 2022, 08:59:59 AM
Spoiler Alert: Spoilers are now fair game for BOBF S01E01.

Someone online pointed out that the brief shot of Max Rebo in the cantina is significant in that Max Rebo was on Jabba's sail barge the day it blew up. So we have another character who survived its destruction.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: thomden on January 03, 2022, 12:58:19 PM
Did anyone notice the lack of subtitles? Like when aliens were talking, or an establishing shot telling you what a location was?

They really left a lot up to the viewer to figure out.

I did enjoy it, and I've always wanted to see Fett escape the Sarlacc pit since 1983, but it was kind of a slow pace.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: HappyDaze on January 03, 2022, 01:04:44 PM
Did anyone notice the lack of subtitles? Like when aliens were talking, or an establishing shot telling you what a location was?

They really left a lot up to the viewer to figure out.

I did enjoy it, and I've always wanted to see Fett escape the Sarlacc pit since 1983, but it was kind of a slow pace.
I didn't care for the many, many parts that were either silent or lacked intelligible meanings. Between the Tuskens, Gamorreans, and the assassin folks, we had many characters with no meaningful speaking parts.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Wntrlnd on January 03, 2022, 08:18:22 PM
Did anyone notice the lack of subtitles? Like when aliens were talking, or an establishing shot telling you what a location was?

They really left a lot up to the viewer to figure out.

I did enjoy it, and I've always wanted to see Fett escape the Sarlacc pit since 1983, but it was kind of a slow pace.
I didn't care for the many, many parts that were either silent or lacked intelligible meanings. Between the Tuskens, Gamorreans, and the assassin folks, we had many characters with no meaningful speaking parts.

But thats classic Star wars!
All the way back from the Holiday special..
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 03, 2022, 08:23:38 PM
Spoiler Alert: Spoilers are now fair game for BOBF S01E01.

Someone online pointed out that the brief shot of Max Rebo in the cantina is significant in that Max Rebo was on Jabba's sail barge the day it blew up. So we have another character who survived its destruction.

Do we know it was specifically Max Rebo?
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 03, 2022, 08:29:49 PM
Did anyone notice the lack of subtitles? Like when aliens were talking, or an establishing shot telling you what a location was?

They really left a lot up to the viewer to figure out.

I didn't notice. The story flowed well, and In hindsight, they didn't need to subtitle obvious stuff. Good job on their part.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 04, 2022, 12:12:19 PM
Do we know it was specifically Max Rebo?

He didn't speak or interact with anyone, or get called out by name, so not officially, yet.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 05, 2022, 01:21:18 PM
Episode 2 is out. Please hold off spoilers until Saturday.

Overall, a lot like Episode 1. I would say too many flashbacks, though I have a theory as to where they're going with the back story. More on that Saturday.

I've been trying to figure out what role Matt Berry is playing, apparently he's 8D8, the mummified protocol droid at Jabba's palace.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on January 05, 2022, 01:41:08 PM
I don't comprehend how people have this much tolerance for just needless nostalgia fluff.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 05, 2022, 11:44:03 PM
Episode 2 is out. Please hold off spoilers until Saturday.

I have opinions. Waiting patiently till Saturday.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Thornhammer on January 06, 2022, 09:00:28 PM
I thought episode 2 was a hell of a lot more fun than the first one.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 08, 2022, 09:43:21 AM
It's Saturday, we are cleared for Boba Fett episode 2 spoilers.

Was I the only one who thought that the brown robe and hood the sandpeople put on Boba made him look like the world's biggest Jawa? I imagine them snickering outside the range of human hearing.

I thought the second episode had even more backstory than the first, which disappointed me, but I have a theory as to why. In the "present day" storyline, they are building up tension, and at some point there's going to be a throwdown. At which point, the question is what kind of an ace does Boba Fett have up his sleeve?

My guess is he'll call in favors from the Tusken Raiders, the Pike Syndicate, and whoever he flashes back to next week.

Boba will become legit daimyo because his allies control all of the territory around Mos Espa.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 08, 2022, 08:38:35 PM
I really dislike making the Sand People sympathetic. I really liked them as vicious raiders. Full Stop.

But.

The story was well told. So I can give Boba Fett a pass on that. Really, telling the story well is 90% of the battle for me to like something. And I feel like a lot of newer movies and TV shows are dropping the ball in that department.

The CGI lizard was a bit silly looking, snorking up Boba's nose. CGI lets them do things even if the result look cartoonish.

I don't mind the flashbacks. Because, again, they're doing a good job actually telling the story.

Boba Fett... it seems to me like he's gone from an uncaring asshole who was fine with the Empire torturing and freezing Han Solo, disintegrating people, and generally being a not-nice person as long as he was getting paid...  to at least developing some principles. It seems that his time in the Sarlacc is a metaphorical journey to the underworld that has changed him somewhat. Not into a nice guy, but more of a principled anti-hero type.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on January 08, 2022, 09:34:40 PM
Not into a nice guy, but more of a principled anti-hero type.
Because writing complicated and evil characters is hard. I would be more interested if it was the journey of an actual goddam bastard.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: jeff37923 on January 09, 2022, 05:01:51 AM
I take it that I'm the only one who noticed Black Krrsantan, the male of the Twins swabbing himself with a Hoojib, and that the whole Tusken Raider culture is a romanticized look at Indian tribes in Western America (right down to shooting buffalo from a train for sport)?
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Wntrlnd on January 09, 2022, 06:03:06 AM
I take it that I'm the only one who noticed Black Krrsantan, the male of the Twins swabbing himself with a Hoojib, and that the whole Tusken Raider culture is a romanticized look at Indian tribes in Western America (right down to shooting buffalo from a train for sport)?

I thought the wookie looked kickass (definitely a practical effect) but haven't read any comics to recognize him. I did notice that one of the hutts used some kind of a space hamster to swab himself, and a definite yes to the "Tusken are totally american natives" angle. (I've also seen a bunch of comments how "Thank god Boba Fett is played by a Maori so we avoided the 'white savior trope',")

Did you notice that the two humans at Tosche station that the speeder gang were roughing up were Camie and Fixer, two of Lukes old friends?
It's from a scene that ended up on the cutting room floor where Luke goes to tell his friends about a space battle that just happened overhead and he meets Biggs who tells him he is going to join the rebellion.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: jeff37923 on January 09, 2022, 06:32:02 AM
I take it that I'm the only one who noticed Black Krrsantan, the male of the Twins swabbing himself with a Hoojib, and that the whole Tusken Raider culture is a romanticized look at Indian tribes in Western America (right down to shooting buffalo from a train for sport)?

I thought the wookie looked kickass (definitely a practical effect) but haven't read any comics to recognize him. I did notice that one of the hutts used some kind of a space hamster to swab himself, and a definite yes to the "Tusken are totally american natives" angle. (I've also seen a bunch of comments how "Thank god Boba Fett is played by a Maori so we avoided the 'white savior trope',")

Did you notice that the two humans at Tosche station that the speeder gang were roughing up were Camie and Fixer, two of Lukes old friends?
It's from a scene that ended up on the cutting room floor where Luke goes to tell his friends about a space battle that just happened overhead and he meets Biggs who tells him he is going to join the rebellion.

No, no I did not. I never made the connection that those two were Camie and Fixer. I thought that Camie was blonde, wasn't she?
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Wntrlnd on January 09, 2022, 08:03:53 AM
I take it that I'm the only one who noticed Black Krrsantan, the male of the Twins swabbing himself with a Hoojib, and that the whole Tusken Raider culture is a romanticized look at Indian tribes in Western America (right down to shooting buffalo from a train for sport)?

I thought the wookie looked kickass (definitely a practical effect) but haven't read any comics to recognize him. I did notice that one of the hutts used some kind of a space hamster to swab himself, and a definite yes to the "Tusken are totally american natives" angle. (I've also seen a bunch of comments how "Thank god Boba Fett is played by a Maori so we avoided the 'white savior trope',")

Did you notice that the two humans at Tosche station that the speeder gang were roughing up were Camie and Fixer, two of Lukes old friends?
It's from a scene that ended up on the cutting room floor where Luke goes to tell his friends about a space battle that just happened overhead and he meets Biggs who tells him he is going to join the rebellion.

No, no I did not. I never made the connection that those two were Camie and Fixer. I thought that Camie was blonde, wasn't she?

darkhaired. Here's a pic of the cut scene

(https://california18.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/serie-tv-207534.large.jpg)

Naturally they're not using the same actors, but I think they did a good job finding people who looked like them.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 09, 2022, 11:06:07 AM
I really dislike making the Sand People sympathetic. I really liked them as vicious raiders. Full Stop.

I don't see any reason they can't be both. Different tribes, different attitudes. American Indians were not all the same.

Boba was lucky to be found by a sympathetic tribe. Others would have tortured him to death for sport.


The CGI lizard was a bit silly looking, snorking up Boba's nose. CGI lets them do things even if the result look cartoonish.
I just immediately thought Babel Fish.

I'm not a big fan of the peyote=prophecy trope either. Though the idea of him coming back with a physical piece of the dream in his hands was kind of cool.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Wntrlnd on January 09, 2022, 03:04:47 PM
I really dislike making the Sand People sympathetic. I really liked them as vicious raiders. Full Stop.

I don't see any reason they can't be both. Different tribes, different attitudes. American Indians were not all the same.

Boba was lucky to be found by a sympathetic tribe. Others would have tortured him to death for sport.

They pretty much state that "other tribes kill to survive" in the scene in the tent after the trainrobbery, showing that they are different from them.
 
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 09, 2022, 08:50:55 PM
I take it that I'm the only one who noticed Black Krrsantan, the male of the Twins swabbing himself with a Hoojib, and that the whole Tusken Raider culture is a romanticized look at Indian tribes in Western America (right down to shooting buffalo from a train for sport)?

I thought the wookie looked kickass (definitely a practical effect) but haven't read any comics to recognize him.

I really liked that part. I don't know the character, but so far Wookies have been portrayed as more on the Good Guy side. It's neat to see a Bad Guy Wookie for a change.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 11, 2022, 05:49:26 PM
I really liked that part. I don't know the character, but so far Wookies have been portrayed as more on the Good Guy side. It's neat to see a Bad Guy Wookie for a change.
Chances are pretty good that we'll be seeing more of him later this season. That was just a taste.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 12, 2022, 07:58:10 AM
It's Wednesday, and Episode 3 is out. It is VERY VERY GOOD.

No spoilers until Saturday. I will probably rewatch this episode several times between now and then.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Thornhammer on January 12, 2022, 09:55:38 AM
It's Wednesday, and Episode 3 is out. It is VERY VERY GOOD.

Kick ass. It'll be tonight's Exercise Bike Theater.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: HappyDaze on January 12, 2022, 10:28:42 AM
Not a spoiler at this point, but does anyone else pictures the dwarves from the hobbit singing when the song plays for the end credits?
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 12, 2022, 11:45:31 PM
Solid episode. This is what I like (remember no spoilers till sat) expanding on the Star Wars universe while keeping it Star Wars.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 15, 2022, 10:26:03 AM
It's Saturday, and you know what that means. Spoilers for Episode  3 are now fair game.

Well, so much for my theory about the Tusken Raiders becoming Boba's key allies. Seeing Boba putting the Tusken kid's stick on the fire really hit home.

Black Krrsantan was awesome. He was played by Carey Jones, who is primarily a makeup artist and makeup supervisor. He's probably been waiting for that gig his whole life.

I wasn't sure about the cyberpunks, but I think they've earned their spot. They and their bikes have a very different aesthetic from most of Tatooine, but it's growing on me.

I'm hoping Fennec Shand gets some more time to shine.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Wntrlnd on January 15, 2022, 11:05:58 AM
I don't think ALL the tuskens are dead and that the Kintan sand riders are the fall guys. They're bikers. Their thing is riding their speeders and swoops terrorizing moisture farmers and beat up people in bars, not attacking Tuskens.
To me it makes more sense that its the Pykes wanting to take revenge on the Tuskens. Waiting for Boba to pick up the protection money, maybe tracing his trail back to the camp and hit it before he returned.

There were simply not enough bodies on that pile for all of them, and it makes sense that the Pykes took any survivors as prisoners to be sold as slaves to the spice mines. (as "compensation" if nothing else.)
Putting the blame on the Kintan sand riders is just a ruse, and I think Boba is clever enough to see through it. But he is also very aware that he can't take on the Pykes by himself. Saving Fennec might just have been a lucky coincidence, but pardoning the Gamorreans, hiring the Mos Vespas, (i don't care if they have a official name, I call them that and im gonna stick with it) and letting Krrsantian go is just him building up his forces from the ground up. (the wookie will be back and join him -maybe not full life-debt thing, but at least "well, you told me to not work for scugholes, and you seem like a decent chap")

I see a lot of people online being less than charmed with the Mos Vespas, but as a role-player is see them as his level 1-2 hirelings. They're not supposed to be bad-ass at this point. He trained the Tuskens to ride speeders. Under his tutelage he can make these teens level up a bit.

A finale where Boba frees his Tusken "family" with all his recruits makes sense. Maybe the entire crimelord thing is just a charade and he is still a bounty hunter at heart going after criminals, but this time he is taking down an entire syndicate.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: HappyDaze on January 15, 2022, 12:04:31 PM

I wasn't sure about the cyberpunks, but I think they've earned their spot. They and their bikes have a very different aesthetic from most of Tatooine, but it's growing on me.

I really didn't like the cyberpunks or their bikes. I felt like they were really out of place on Tatooine, and they could have saved them for another place (like if Boba went to Nar Shaddaa for some reason). I'm not crazy about Tatooine becoming more cosmopolitan.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Wntrlnd on January 15, 2022, 12:37:50 PM

I wasn't sure about the cyberpunks, but I think they've earned their spot. They and their bikes have a very different aesthetic from most of Tatooine, but it's growing on me.

I really didn't like the cyberpunks or their bikes. I felt like they were really out of place on Tatooine, and they could have saved them for another place (like if Boba went to Nar Shaddaa for some reason). I'm not crazy about Tatooine becoming more cosmopolitan.

I did raise an eyebrow at the Pykes arriving by Starliner. "Hang on? Tatooine got a Starliner route!?"
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: HappyDaze on January 15, 2022, 01:57:21 PM

I wasn't sure about the cyberpunks, but I think they've earned their spot. They and their bikes have a very different aesthetic from most of Tatooine, but it's growing on me.

I really didn't like the cyberpunks or their bikes. I felt like they were really out of place on Tatooine, and they could have saved them for another place (like if Boba went to Nar Shaddaa for some reason). I'm not crazy about Tatooine becoming more cosmopolitan.

I did raise an eyebrow at the Pykes arriving by Starliner. "Hang on? Tatooine got a Starliner route!?"
I still don't get why the Pykes were transporting spice (from off world) by train across an asscrack planet like Tatooine.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 15, 2022, 02:44:36 PM
I did raise an eyebrow at the Pykes arriving by Starliner. "Hang on? Tatooine got a Starliner route!?"

That "starliner" seemed more like a bulk freighter. It also seemed to be in a "You came in that?" state of repair.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Wntrlnd on January 15, 2022, 04:06:29 PM

I wasn't sure about the cyberpunks, but I think they've earned their spot. They and their bikes have a very different aesthetic from most of Tatooine, but it's growing on me.

I really didn't like the cyberpunks or their bikes. I felt like they were really out of place on Tatooine, and they could have saved them for another place (like if Boba went to Nar Shaddaa for some reason). I'm not crazy about Tatooine becoming more cosmopolitan.

I did raise an eyebrow at the Pykes arriving by Starliner. "Hang on? Tatooine got a Starliner route!?"
I still don't get why the Pykes were transporting spice (from off world) by train across an asscrack planet like Tatooine.

It's star wars. It doesn't have to make sense. Never has. Mandalorian had that "transport explosives across country where pirates tries to blow you up" episode after all.
But if I gave it a try, the pykes have a spice refinery hidden way out in the desert, and if they pick up their cargo by spaceship, they can be tracked. So they transport the spice from and to spaceports by speeder train.
And shoots Tuskens for shits and giggles.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 15, 2022, 08:05:36 PM
The cyberpunks asthetic did bug me a little. They don't look like they fit on Tatooine.
Maybe that's the point, and their history will come up later.

Otherwise really liked the episode. It's got some nitpickable problems, but eh.

Boba Fett's reaction to one of the most feared superpredators in the Star Wars stories: "I want to ride it!" :D
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Thornhammer on January 15, 2022, 08:08:51 PM
I liked the cyberpunks, didn't much care for the Space Vespas - they didn't look like "go fast" was an option at all, more like Space Rascals. A minor complaint, though, it wasn't a show wrecker.

Loved the rest of the chase though. Had the 70s music going, had crashing through a plate glass window equivalent, had crashing into a fruit stand.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: jeff37923 on January 16, 2022, 02:53:14 AM
I did raise an eyebrow at the Pykes arriving by Starliner. "Hang on? Tatooine got a Starliner route!?"

That "starliner" seemed more like a bulk freighter. It also seemed to be in a "You came in that?" state of repair.

If Podracing is still a sport and popular, I can understand starliners bringing fans and tourists to Mos Espa. Jabba may have been bored by the races, but he would have understood the economic significance of them (plus large groups of people moving to and from a world makes good cover for smuggling).
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 16, 2022, 08:52:31 AM
I liked the cyberpunks, didn't much care for the Space Vespas - they didn't look like "go fast" was an option at all, more like Space Rascals. A minor complaint, though, it wasn't a show wrecker.

Loved the rest of the chase though. Had the 70s music going, had crashing through a plate glass window equivalent, had crashing into a fruit stand.

The space vespas make a certain amount of sense for urban use. If you go tearing around a city at speeder bike velocities, you will tend to get speeder bike results.

I wonder if the cyberpunks are offworlders, or if they are native to Tatooine but deliberately imitating offworld styles? It reminds me of certain Japanese subcultures like dekotora or bosozoku, or the fashion subcultures in Akihabara. I think that giving them retro vibes works really well, as the droids they emulate have similar retro styling, and it takes them away from the 80's sensibility of non-Star-Wars cyberpunk.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Omega on January 16, 2022, 11:15:03 AM
I don't comprehend how people have this much tolerance for just needless nostalgia fluff.

Its more like needless obsession with boosting up essentially a throwaway character.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Omega on January 16, 2022, 11:23:47 AM

I wasn't sure about the cyberpunks, but I think they've earned their spot. They and their bikes have a very different aesthetic from most of Tatooine, but it's growing on me.

I really didn't like the cyberpunks or their bikes. I felt like they were really out of place on Tatooine, and they could have saved them for another place (like if Boba went to Nar Shaddaa for some reason). I'm not crazy about Tatooine becoming more cosmopolitan.

Wonder if they are supposed to be related to the speeder racers from the first story arc of the Droids cartoon way back? That arc had more than a few cyberpunk elements to it if I recall right. Been ages.

Or a callback to the Tatooine Swoop racers from Old Republic?
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 16, 2022, 08:17:06 PM
I liked the cyberpunks, didn't much care for the Space Vespas - they didn't look like "go fast" was an option at all, more like Space Rascals. A minor complaint, though, it wasn't a show wrecker.

Loved the rest of the chase though. Had the 70s music going, had crashing through a plate glass window equivalent, had crashing into a fruit stand.

The space vespas make a certain amount of sense for urban use. If you go tearing around a city at speeder bike velocities, you will tend to get speeder bike results.

Yea, but they looked like shiny vespas from earth, except for the hovering part. A more rugged, desert adapted asthetic would fit the planet better, no matter the capabilities of the vehicle.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 17, 2022, 03:55:49 PM
Yea, but they looked like shiny vespas from earth, except for the hovering part. A more rugged, desert adapted asthetic would fit the planet better, no matter the capabilities of the vehicle.
I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure I agree.

On the one hand, there is definitely an established aesthetic for Tattoine. Everything is given a mock-arabesque feel. And I'm OK with that. After all, Star Wars was originally intended to be Flash Gordon, and Flash Gordon is a mock-travelogue that echoes a lot of real cultures. And having a simple unified aesthetic makes it easier for the audience to become immersed.

On the other hand, reality has no problem putting shiny lowriders and dusty jeeps together in the same city.

On the third hand, I think there is a relationship between the size of the city and the number of subcultures it can support, and I don't think Mos Espa is supposed to be all that big a place. Going from Jabba's palace to downtown is merely walking distance. So a small city a couple miles across?

The podracing stadium suggested a larger population, but if it's the only podracing stadium on the planet, it's also drawing from Mos Eisley and all the other smaller settlements like Anchorhead and Toshi Station. A pod race is also a special event, like when Nascar comes to town.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Omega on January 18, 2022, 11:42:30 PM
Could be that they are relatively new and have not yet succomb to Tatooine's persistent, thousands of years old curse of techno-decay.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 19, 2022, 12:13:38 AM
Could be that they are relatively new and have not yet succomb to Tatooine's persistent, thousands of years old curse of techno-decay.

They're all young. They might have come to Tatooine from another planet recently. Would explain the difference in their style. It's not a huge hurdle, just a nitpick for me.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 19, 2022, 09:14:46 AM
Episode 4 dropped this morning. No spoilers until Saturday.

I can't say I was disappointed with this one, it was solid and bears rewatching. It just didn't explode like I wanted it to. More on that Saturday.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Thornhammer on January 19, 2022, 06:18:01 PM
It was not bad. The last minute of it makes a promise that needs to be delivered upon.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: crkrueger on January 20, 2022, 01:32:23 AM
Haven’t seen 4 yet, but the fight with the Wookie in 3 was awesome.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 20, 2022, 02:08:15 AM
Really liked this one. Waiting on spoiler protection for further commentary.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: tenbones on January 21, 2022, 11:58:26 AM
E3 had the right beats. The cyberpunk Power Ranger Vespagang was dumb. They're dressed all wrong. This is Tatooine - not come urban core-world. I do not like the "cyberpunk" style elements in Outer Rim context. It's the Outer Rim, I want it dirty, used and grimy.

E4, was better than E3, I have some gripes which leads me to a global pre-emptive opinion that's forming for me...

I feel they're riding the edge with me on what I expect from Boba Fett. He came in strong in the Mandalorian, and now... it's like for "storytelling" purposes (The whole bacta-tank flashback thing) they've downgraded his competency and aggression he showed in the Mandalorian. I *expected* him to come into this kicking motherfuckers skulls in, going toes with any/all comers with naked aggression. I feel like for SOME reason the Galactically known name of "Boba Fett" magically lost currency.

For storytelling purposes I could rationalize this but it's not been shown in the show. Remember in the Mandalorian he took *ZERO* shit from actual active Mandalorians and gave zero-fucks about standing up to them - while in Book of Boba Fett... that aggression against far less competent enemies seems... "toned down".

So I'm sitting on the fence, I'm not giving up yet.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Omega on January 21, 2022, 09:02:29 PM
I think that is the point with the gang. They are new and fresh and stand out like a sore thumb - like tourists really.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 22, 2022, 12:01:25 PM
Spoilers for Episode 4... have been been approved.

So Boba's glitterpunks are called Mods. I like it. It's short, fitting, and it's a name that's unique to Star Wars. It appears the Mods are a local subculture, since the mod parlor was over in Mos Eisley. Not just a small group of offworlders. They have a support network.

I really appreciated the brief scene of Slave-1 flying up on the biker gang and machinegunning the lot of them. You want old school Boba, there you go.

I didn't like the sarlacc scene nearly as much. Too much slapstick.

Hopefully the announcement that Boba is fully healed means no more bacta tank flashbacks.

Here's a question: if Boba is the new Jabba, does he also run Mos Eisley? In the original Star Wars, Jabba was a household name in Mos Eisley, and even shows up there in person in the infamous deleted scene. But I didn't get the impression that Jabba was running Mos Eisley. The Empire was running the town. Perhaps Mos Eisley was the Empire's headquarters on Tatooine, and Jabba was allowed to run Mos Espa openly, and just the underground in Mos Eisley.

Is the New Republic stationed in Mos Eisley now?
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 22, 2022, 12:16:02 PM
I liked getting a flashback to Fennec's rescue, and some backstory to establish their relationship.

I'm not sure I wanted it here, though.

Episode 3 ended with "The Pykes are invading!" and Episode 4 doesn't pay that off, but instead just drops that thread completely.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 22, 2022, 08:21:02 PM
I like how they spelled out Boba Fett's changes after being a Sarlacc munchie and then hanging out with the Sandpeople to get his wind back.

He's tired of being a flunkie, and he's tired of being a loner. That's understandable. And it's almost meta. He's trying to become a named character instead of the flunkie who gets tossed down a sand monster pit.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Thornhammer on January 22, 2022, 11:28:35 PM
Here's a question: if Boba is the new Jabba, does he also run Mos Eisley?

Probably not until Fett throws his weight around enough to establish that he's Captain Baddass (with two Ds for a double dose of pimpin') who is indeed the Boss Man of Tatooine.

Having a new rancor will probably pull a lot of weight once word gets out.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Wntrlnd on January 23, 2022, 04:52:10 AM
I like how they spelled out Boba Fett's changes after being a Sarlacc munchie and then hanging out with the Sandpeople to get his wind back.

He's tired of being a flunkie, and he's tired of being a loner. That's understandable. And it's almost meta. He's trying to become a named character instead of the flunkie who gets tossed down a sand monster pit.

And explains why he saves Fennec, spares the two Gamorreans, hires the unemployed mods and lets Krrsantin go (so he can hire him later). They're all the same kind of disposable flunkies like he once was.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: HappyDaze on January 25, 2022, 12:30:15 AM
I read an article that said the actor playing Boba thinks he "talks too much" and would have skipped much of his lines if given a choice (he wasn't). While I agree that a less talkative Boba would have seemed more fitting, that might push him closer to feeling like the lead from Mandalorian (at least early on) and there are already a lot of non-speaking parts in Book of Boba.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 25, 2022, 05:57:48 PM
I read an article that said the actor playing Boba thinks he "talks too much" and would have skipped much of his lines if given a choice (he wasn't). While I agree that a less talkative Boba would have seemed more fitting, that might push him closer to feeling like the lead from Mandalorian (at least early on) and there are already a lot of non-speaking parts in Book of Boba.
I don't really agree. Boba is by no means chatty, and most of his dialog is focused and terse, in keeping with previous depictions in ESB.

The only time he gets really chatty is when he's talking with the Rancor handler, and that whole scene is an absolute gem. Hope we see more of Danny Trejo this season.

I also feel that showing his face more has made the scenes with Boba in armor better, as we understand what's going on behind the mask a lot more.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 26, 2022, 07:21:04 AM
Season 1 Episode 5 is out. No spoilers until Saturday.

No spoilers, but this one is going to blow up in the media. If you don't want to be spoiled, stay off the Internet. I recommend seeing it ASAP.