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Title: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on December 29, 2021, 11:47:01 AM
NOTE: New Boba Fett episodes drop on Wednesdays. Please keep this thread spoiler-free until the Saturday after an episode drops. After that, all topics for the current episode are open for discussion.

Episode 01 dropped this morning.

Short version: Good, but it doesn't move as quickly as I'd hoped. It's a 50/50 mix of story and backstory. There are a ton of flashbacks covering what happened to Boba Fett after the events of ROTJ. That comes at the expense of new storyline and character introductions.

What we see this episode seems to cover maybe half of what was shown in the trailers.

I think that's all I'm going to say for now. It's good, go watch it.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Thornhammer on December 29, 2021, 05:44:15 PM
I’ll agree with that assessment. I enjoyed it.

Listen carefully to what is being played in the cantina. It is subtle.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on December 30, 2021, 10:57:49 PM
I'm liking it so far. I would have prefered they put out more Mandalorian episodes, but I'm really liking that they can take the story in a different direction with Boba Fett. (He can be a bit more ruthless than Djin Djaren)

I remember a lot of fans wanting more of the seamier side of the Star Wars universe. With Mandalorian and now Book of Boba Fett, it must feel like a bonanza.

I really hope they don't fall into the rut Mandalorian made out of season two, which had far too much cameos for my tastes. I don't mind cameos, but I really like it when they introduce new characters insead of rehashing old ones. Star Wars has become far too small a universe, and it doesn't have to be.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: HappyDaze on December 31, 2021, 12:32:08 AM
First episode didn't really grab my interest, but I'm willing to give it a few more weeks to get better. Way too many non-talking characters in the first episode for my liking.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 03, 2022, 08:59:59 AM
Spoiler Alert: Spoilers are now fair game for BOBF S01E01.

Someone online pointed out that the brief shot of Max Rebo in the cantina is significant in that Max Rebo was on Jabba's sail barge the day it blew up. So we have another character who survived its destruction.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Thor's Nads on January 03, 2022, 12:58:19 PM
Did anyone notice the lack of subtitles? Like when aliens were talking, or an establishing shot telling you what a location was?

They really left a lot up to the viewer to figure out.

I did enjoy it, and I've always wanted to see Fett escape the Sarlacc pit since 1983, but it was kind of a slow pace.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: HappyDaze on January 03, 2022, 01:04:44 PM
Did anyone notice the lack of subtitles? Like when aliens were talking, or an establishing shot telling you what a location was?

They really left a lot up to the viewer to figure out.

I did enjoy it, and I've always wanted to see Fett escape the Sarlacc pit since 1983, but it was kind of a slow pace.
I didn't care for the many, many parts that were either silent or lacked intelligible meanings. Between the Tuskens, Gamorreans, and the assassin folks, we had many characters with no meaningful speaking parts.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Wntrlnd on January 03, 2022, 08:18:22 PM
Did anyone notice the lack of subtitles? Like when aliens were talking, or an establishing shot telling you what a location was?

They really left a lot up to the viewer to figure out.

I did enjoy it, and I've always wanted to see Fett escape the Sarlacc pit since 1983, but it was kind of a slow pace.
I didn't care for the many, many parts that were either silent or lacked intelligible meanings. Between the Tuskens, Gamorreans, and the assassin folks, we had many characters with no meaningful speaking parts.

But thats classic Star wars!
All the way back from the Holiday special..
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 03, 2022, 08:23:38 PM
Spoiler Alert: Spoilers are now fair game for BOBF S01E01.

Someone online pointed out that the brief shot of Max Rebo in the cantina is significant in that Max Rebo was on Jabba's sail barge the day it blew up. So we have another character who survived its destruction.

Do we know it was specifically Max Rebo?
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 03, 2022, 08:29:49 PM
Did anyone notice the lack of subtitles? Like when aliens were talking, or an establishing shot telling you what a location was?

They really left a lot up to the viewer to figure out.

I didn't notice. The story flowed well, and In hindsight, they didn't need to subtitle obvious stuff. Good job on their part.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 04, 2022, 12:12:19 PM
Do we know it was specifically Max Rebo?

He didn't speak or interact with anyone, or get called out by name, so not officially, yet.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 05, 2022, 01:21:18 PM
Episode 2 is out. Please hold off spoilers until Saturday.

Overall, a lot like Episode 1. I would say too many flashbacks, though I have a theory as to where they're going with the back story. More on that Saturday.

I've been trying to figure out what role Matt Berry is playing, apparently he's 8D8, the mummified protocol droid at Jabba's palace.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on January 05, 2022, 01:41:08 PM
I don't comprehend how people have this much tolerance for just needless nostalgia fluff.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 05, 2022, 11:44:03 PM
Episode 2 is out. Please hold off spoilers until Saturday.

I have opinions. Waiting patiently till Saturday.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Thornhammer on January 06, 2022, 09:00:28 PM
I thought episode 2 was a hell of a lot more fun than the first one.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 08, 2022, 09:43:21 AM
It's Saturday, we are cleared for Boba Fett episode 2 spoilers.

Was I the only one who thought that the brown robe and hood the sandpeople put on Boba made him look like the world's biggest Jawa? I imagine them snickering outside the range of human hearing.

I thought the second episode had even more backstory than the first, which disappointed me, but I have a theory as to why. In the "present day" storyline, they are building up tension, and at some point there's going to be a throwdown. At which point, the question is what kind of an ace does Boba Fett have up his sleeve?

My guess is he'll call in favors from the Tusken Raiders, the Pike Syndicate, and whoever he flashes back to next week.

Boba will become legit daimyo because his allies control all of the territory around Mos Espa.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 08, 2022, 08:38:35 PM
I really dislike making the Sand People sympathetic. I really liked them as vicious raiders. Full Stop.

But.

The story was well told. So I can give Boba Fett a pass on that. Really, telling the story well is 90% of the battle for me to like something. And I feel like a lot of newer movies and TV shows are dropping the ball in that department.

The CGI lizard was a bit silly looking, snorking up Boba's nose. CGI lets them do things even if the result look cartoonish.

I don't mind the flashbacks. Because, again, they're doing a good job actually telling the story.

Boba Fett... it seems to me like he's gone from an uncaring asshole who was fine with the Empire torturing and freezing Han Solo, disintegrating people, and generally being a not-nice person as long as he was getting paid...  to at least developing some principles. It seems that his time in the Sarlacc is a metaphorical journey to the underworld that has changed him somewhat. Not into a nice guy, but more of a principled anti-hero type.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on January 08, 2022, 09:34:40 PM
Not into a nice guy, but more of a principled anti-hero type.
Because writing complicated and evil characters is hard. I would be more interested if it was the journey of an actual goddam bastard.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: jeff37923 on January 09, 2022, 05:01:51 AM
I take it that I'm the only one who noticed Black Krrsantan, the male of the Twins swabbing himself with a Hoojib, and that the whole Tusken Raider culture is a romanticized look at Indian tribes in Western America (right down to shooting buffalo from a train for sport)?
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Wntrlnd on January 09, 2022, 06:03:06 AM
I take it that I'm the only one who noticed Black Krrsantan, the male of the Twins swabbing himself with a Hoojib, and that the whole Tusken Raider culture is a romanticized look at Indian tribes in Western America (right down to shooting buffalo from a train for sport)?

I thought the wookie looked kickass (definitely a practical effect) but haven't read any comics to recognize him. I did notice that one of the hutts used some kind of a space hamster to swab himself, and a definite yes to the "Tusken are totally american natives" angle. (I've also seen a bunch of comments how "Thank god Boba Fett is played by a Maori so we avoided the 'white savior trope',")

Did you notice that the two humans at Tosche station that the speeder gang were roughing up were Camie and Fixer, two of Lukes old friends?
It's from a scene that ended up on the cutting room floor where Luke goes to tell his friends about a space battle that just happened overhead and he meets Biggs who tells him he is going to join the rebellion.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: jeff37923 on January 09, 2022, 06:32:02 AM
I take it that I'm the only one who noticed Black Krrsantan, the male of the Twins swabbing himself with a Hoojib, and that the whole Tusken Raider culture is a romanticized look at Indian tribes in Western America (right down to shooting buffalo from a train for sport)?

I thought the wookie looked kickass (definitely a practical effect) but haven't read any comics to recognize him. I did notice that one of the hutts used some kind of a space hamster to swab himself, and a definite yes to the "Tusken are totally american natives" angle. (I've also seen a bunch of comments how "Thank god Boba Fett is played by a Maori so we avoided the 'white savior trope',")

Did you notice that the two humans at Tosche station that the speeder gang were roughing up were Camie and Fixer, two of Lukes old friends?
It's from a scene that ended up on the cutting room floor where Luke goes to tell his friends about a space battle that just happened overhead and he meets Biggs who tells him he is going to join the rebellion.

No, no I did not. I never made the connection that those two were Camie and Fixer. I thought that Camie was blonde, wasn't she?
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Wntrlnd on January 09, 2022, 08:03:53 AM
I take it that I'm the only one who noticed Black Krrsantan, the male of the Twins swabbing himself with a Hoojib, and that the whole Tusken Raider culture is a romanticized look at Indian tribes in Western America (right down to shooting buffalo from a train for sport)?

I thought the wookie looked kickass (definitely a practical effect) but haven't read any comics to recognize him. I did notice that one of the hutts used some kind of a space hamster to swab himself, and a definite yes to the "Tusken are totally american natives" angle. (I've also seen a bunch of comments how "Thank god Boba Fett is played by a Maori so we avoided the 'white savior trope',")

Did you notice that the two humans at Tosche station that the speeder gang were roughing up were Camie and Fixer, two of Lukes old friends?
It's from a scene that ended up on the cutting room floor where Luke goes to tell his friends about a space battle that just happened overhead and he meets Biggs who tells him he is going to join the rebellion.

No, no I did not. I never made the connection that those two were Camie and Fixer. I thought that Camie was blonde, wasn't she?

darkhaired. Here's a pic of the cut scene

(https://california18.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/serie-tv-207534.large.jpg)

Naturally they're not using the same actors, but I think they did a good job finding people who looked like them.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 09, 2022, 11:06:07 AM
I really dislike making the Sand People sympathetic. I really liked them as vicious raiders. Full Stop.

I don't see any reason they can't be both. Different tribes, different attitudes. American Indians were not all the same.

Boba was lucky to be found by a sympathetic tribe. Others would have tortured him to death for sport.


The CGI lizard was a bit silly looking, snorking up Boba's nose. CGI lets them do things even if the result look cartoonish.
I just immediately thought Babel Fish.

I'm not a big fan of the peyote=prophecy trope either. Though the idea of him coming back with a physical piece of the dream in his hands was kind of cool.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Wntrlnd on January 09, 2022, 03:04:47 PM
I really dislike making the Sand People sympathetic. I really liked them as vicious raiders. Full Stop.

I don't see any reason they can't be both. Different tribes, different attitudes. American Indians were not all the same.

Boba was lucky to be found by a sympathetic tribe. Others would have tortured him to death for sport.

They pretty much state that "other tribes kill to survive" in the scene in the tent after the trainrobbery, showing that they are different from them.
 
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 09, 2022, 08:50:55 PM
I take it that I'm the only one who noticed Black Krrsantan, the male of the Twins swabbing himself with a Hoojib, and that the whole Tusken Raider culture is a romanticized look at Indian tribes in Western America (right down to shooting buffalo from a train for sport)?

I thought the wookie looked kickass (definitely a practical effect) but haven't read any comics to recognize him.

I really liked that part. I don't know the character, but so far Wookies have been portrayed as more on the Good Guy side. It's neat to see a Bad Guy Wookie for a change.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 11, 2022, 05:49:26 PM
I really liked that part. I don't know the character, but so far Wookies have been portrayed as more on the Good Guy side. It's neat to see a Bad Guy Wookie for a change.
Chances are pretty good that we'll be seeing more of him later this season. That was just a taste.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 12, 2022, 07:58:10 AM
It's Wednesday, and Episode 3 is out. It is VERY VERY GOOD.

No spoilers until Saturday. I will probably rewatch this episode several times between now and then.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Thornhammer on January 12, 2022, 09:55:38 AM
It's Wednesday, and Episode 3 is out. It is VERY VERY GOOD.

Kick ass. It'll be tonight's Exercise Bike Theater.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: HappyDaze on January 12, 2022, 10:28:42 AM
Not a spoiler at this point, but does anyone else pictures the dwarves from the hobbit singing when the song plays for the end credits?
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 12, 2022, 11:45:31 PM
Solid episode. This is what I like (remember no spoilers till sat) expanding on the Star Wars universe while keeping it Star Wars.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 15, 2022, 10:26:03 AM
It's Saturday, and you know what that means. Spoilers for Episode  3 are now fair game.

Well, so much for my theory about the Tusken Raiders becoming Boba's key allies. Seeing Boba putting the Tusken kid's stick on the fire really hit home.

Black Krrsantan was awesome. He was played by Carey Jones, who is primarily a makeup artist and makeup supervisor. He's probably been waiting for that gig his whole life.

I wasn't sure about the cyberpunks, but I think they've earned their spot. They and their bikes have a very different aesthetic from most of Tatooine, but it's growing on me.

I'm hoping Fennec Shand gets some more time to shine.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Wntrlnd on January 15, 2022, 11:05:58 AM
I don't think ALL the tuskens are dead and that the Kintan sand riders are the fall guys. They're bikers. Their thing is riding their speeders and swoops terrorizing moisture farmers and beat up people in bars, not attacking Tuskens.
To me it makes more sense that its the Pykes wanting to take revenge on the Tuskens. Waiting for Boba to pick up the protection money, maybe tracing his trail back to the camp and hit it before he returned.

There were simply not enough bodies on that pile for all of them, and it makes sense that the Pykes took any survivors as prisoners to be sold as slaves to the spice mines. (as "compensation" if nothing else.)
Putting the blame on the Kintan sand riders is just a ruse, and I think Boba is clever enough to see through it. But he is also very aware that he can't take on the Pykes by himself. Saving Fennec might just have been a lucky coincidence, but pardoning the Gamorreans, hiring the Mos Vespas, (i don't care if they have a official name, I call them that and im gonna stick with it) and letting Krrsantian go is just him building up his forces from the ground up. (the wookie will be back and join him -maybe not full life-debt thing, but at least "well, you told me to not work for scugholes, and you seem like a decent chap")

I see a lot of people online being less than charmed with the Mos Vespas, but as a role-player is see them as his level 1-2 hirelings. They're not supposed to be bad-ass at this point. He trained the Tuskens to ride speeders. Under his tutelage he can make these teens level up a bit.

A finale where Boba frees his Tusken "family" with all his recruits makes sense. Maybe the entire crimelord thing is just a charade and he is still a bounty hunter at heart going after criminals, but this time he is taking down an entire syndicate.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: HappyDaze on January 15, 2022, 12:04:31 PM

I wasn't sure about the cyberpunks, but I think they've earned their spot. They and their bikes have a very different aesthetic from most of Tatooine, but it's growing on me.

I really didn't like the cyberpunks or their bikes. I felt like they were really out of place on Tatooine, and they could have saved them for another place (like if Boba went to Nar Shaddaa for some reason). I'm not crazy about Tatooine becoming more cosmopolitan.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Wntrlnd on January 15, 2022, 12:37:50 PM

I wasn't sure about the cyberpunks, but I think they've earned their spot. They and their bikes have a very different aesthetic from most of Tatooine, but it's growing on me.

I really didn't like the cyberpunks or their bikes. I felt like they were really out of place on Tatooine, and they could have saved them for another place (like if Boba went to Nar Shaddaa for some reason). I'm not crazy about Tatooine becoming more cosmopolitan.

I did raise an eyebrow at the Pykes arriving by Starliner. "Hang on? Tatooine got a Starliner route!?"
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: HappyDaze on January 15, 2022, 01:57:21 PM

I wasn't sure about the cyberpunks, but I think they've earned their spot. They and their bikes have a very different aesthetic from most of Tatooine, but it's growing on me.

I really didn't like the cyberpunks or their bikes. I felt like they were really out of place on Tatooine, and they could have saved them for another place (like if Boba went to Nar Shaddaa for some reason). I'm not crazy about Tatooine becoming more cosmopolitan.

I did raise an eyebrow at the Pykes arriving by Starliner. "Hang on? Tatooine got a Starliner route!?"
I still don't get why the Pykes were transporting spice (from off world) by train across an asscrack planet like Tatooine.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 15, 2022, 02:44:36 PM
I did raise an eyebrow at the Pykes arriving by Starliner. "Hang on? Tatooine got a Starliner route!?"

That "starliner" seemed more like a bulk freighter. It also seemed to be in a "You came in that?" state of repair.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Wntrlnd on January 15, 2022, 04:06:29 PM

I wasn't sure about the cyberpunks, but I think they've earned their spot. They and their bikes have a very different aesthetic from most of Tatooine, but it's growing on me.

I really didn't like the cyberpunks or their bikes. I felt like they were really out of place on Tatooine, and they could have saved them for another place (like if Boba went to Nar Shaddaa for some reason). I'm not crazy about Tatooine becoming more cosmopolitan.

I did raise an eyebrow at the Pykes arriving by Starliner. "Hang on? Tatooine got a Starliner route!?"
I still don't get why the Pykes were transporting spice (from off world) by train across an asscrack planet like Tatooine.

It's star wars. It doesn't have to make sense. Never has. Mandalorian had that "transport explosives across country where pirates tries to blow you up" episode after all.
But if I gave it a try, the pykes have a spice refinery hidden way out in the desert, and if they pick up their cargo by spaceship, they can be tracked. So they transport the spice from and to spaceports by speeder train.
And shoots Tuskens for shits and giggles.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 15, 2022, 08:05:36 PM
The cyberpunks asthetic did bug me a little. They don't look like they fit on Tatooine.
Maybe that's the point, and their history will come up later.

Otherwise really liked the episode. It's got some nitpickable problems, but eh.

Boba Fett's reaction to one of the most feared superpredators in the Star Wars stories: "I want to ride it!" :D
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Thornhammer on January 15, 2022, 08:08:51 PM
I liked the cyberpunks, didn't much care for the Space Vespas - they didn't look like "go fast" was an option at all, more like Space Rascals. A minor complaint, though, it wasn't a show wrecker.

Loved the rest of the chase though. Had the 70s music going, had crashing through a plate glass window equivalent, had crashing into a fruit stand.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: jeff37923 on January 16, 2022, 02:53:14 AM
I did raise an eyebrow at the Pykes arriving by Starliner. "Hang on? Tatooine got a Starliner route!?"

That "starliner" seemed more like a bulk freighter. It also seemed to be in a "You came in that?" state of repair.

If Podracing is still a sport and popular, I can understand starliners bringing fans and tourists to Mos Espa. Jabba may have been bored by the races, but he would have understood the economic significance of them (plus large groups of people moving to and from a world makes good cover for smuggling).
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 16, 2022, 08:52:31 AM
I liked the cyberpunks, didn't much care for the Space Vespas - they didn't look like "go fast" was an option at all, more like Space Rascals. A minor complaint, though, it wasn't a show wrecker.

Loved the rest of the chase though. Had the 70s music going, had crashing through a plate glass window equivalent, had crashing into a fruit stand.

The space vespas make a certain amount of sense for urban use. If you go tearing around a city at speeder bike velocities, you will tend to get speeder bike results.

I wonder if the cyberpunks are offworlders, or if they are native to Tatooine but deliberately imitating offworld styles? It reminds me of certain Japanese subcultures like dekotora or bosozoku, or the fashion subcultures in Akihabara. I think that giving them retro vibes works really well, as the droids they emulate have similar retro styling, and it takes them away from the 80's sensibility of non-Star-Wars cyberpunk.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Omega on January 16, 2022, 11:15:03 AM
I don't comprehend how people have this much tolerance for just needless nostalgia fluff.

Its more like needless obsession with boosting up essentially a throwaway character.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Omega on January 16, 2022, 11:23:47 AM

I wasn't sure about the cyberpunks, but I think they've earned their spot. They and their bikes have a very different aesthetic from most of Tatooine, but it's growing on me.

I really didn't like the cyberpunks or their bikes. I felt like they were really out of place on Tatooine, and they could have saved them for another place (like if Boba went to Nar Shaddaa for some reason). I'm not crazy about Tatooine becoming more cosmopolitan.

Wonder if they are supposed to be related to the speeder racers from the first story arc of the Droids cartoon way back? That arc had more than a few cyberpunk elements to it if I recall right. Been ages.

Or a callback to the Tatooine Swoop racers from Old Republic?
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 16, 2022, 08:17:06 PM
I liked the cyberpunks, didn't much care for the Space Vespas - they didn't look like "go fast" was an option at all, more like Space Rascals. A minor complaint, though, it wasn't a show wrecker.

Loved the rest of the chase though. Had the 70s music going, had crashing through a plate glass window equivalent, had crashing into a fruit stand.

The space vespas make a certain amount of sense for urban use. If you go tearing around a city at speeder bike velocities, you will tend to get speeder bike results.

Yea, but they looked like shiny vespas from earth, except for the hovering part. A more rugged, desert adapted asthetic would fit the planet better, no matter the capabilities of the vehicle.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 17, 2022, 03:55:49 PM
Yea, but they looked like shiny vespas from earth, except for the hovering part. A more rugged, desert adapted asthetic would fit the planet better, no matter the capabilities of the vehicle.
I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure I agree.

On the one hand, there is definitely an established aesthetic for Tattoine. Everything is given a mock-arabesque feel. And I'm OK with that. After all, Star Wars was originally intended to be Flash Gordon, and Flash Gordon is a mock-travelogue that echoes a lot of real cultures. And having a simple unified aesthetic makes it easier for the audience to become immersed.

On the other hand, reality has no problem putting shiny lowriders and dusty jeeps together in the same city.

On the third hand, I think there is a relationship between the size of the city and the number of subcultures it can support, and I don't think Mos Espa is supposed to be all that big a place. Going from Jabba's palace to downtown is merely walking distance. So a small city a couple miles across?

The podracing stadium suggested a larger population, but if it's the only podracing stadium on the planet, it's also drawing from Mos Eisley and all the other smaller settlements like Anchorhead and Toshi Station. A pod race is also a special event, like when Nascar comes to town.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Omega on January 18, 2022, 11:42:30 PM
Could be that they are relatively new and have not yet succomb to Tatooine's persistent, thousands of years old curse of techno-decay.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 19, 2022, 12:13:38 AM
Could be that they are relatively new and have not yet succomb to Tatooine's persistent, thousands of years old curse of techno-decay.

They're all young. They might have come to Tatooine from another planet recently. Would explain the difference in their style. It's not a huge hurdle, just a nitpick for me.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 19, 2022, 09:14:46 AM
Episode 4 dropped this morning. No spoilers until Saturday.

I can't say I was disappointed with this one, it was solid and bears rewatching. It just didn't explode like I wanted it to. More on that Saturday.
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Post by: Thornhammer on January 19, 2022, 06:18:01 PM
It was not bad. The last minute of it makes a promise that needs to be delivered upon.
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Post by: crkrueger on January 20, 2022, 01:32:23 AM
Haven’t seen 4 yet, but the fight with the Wookie in 3 was awesome.
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Post by: Ratman_tf on January 20, 2022, 02:08:15 AM
Really liked this one. Waiting on spoiler protection for further commentary.
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Post by: tenbones on January 21, 2022, 11:58:26 AM
E3 had the right beats. The cyberpunk Power Ranger Vespagang was dumb. They're dressed all wrong. This is Tatooine - not come urban core-world. I do not like the "cyberpunk" style elements in Outer Rim context. It's the Outer Rim, I want it dirty, used and grimy.

E4, was better than E3, I have some gripes which leads me to a global pre-emptive opinion that's forming for me...

I feel they're riding the edge with me on what I expect from Boba Fett. He came in strong in the Mandalorian, and now... it's like for "storytelling" purposes (The whole bacta-tank flashback thing) they've downgraded his competency and aggression he showed in the Mandalorian. I *expected* him to come into this kicking motherfuckers skulls in, going toes with any/all comers with naked aggression. I feel like for SOME reason the Galactically known name of "Boba Fett" magically lost currency.

For storytelling purposes I could rationalize this but it's not been shown in the show. Remember in the Mandalorian he took *ZERO* shit from actual active Mandalorians and gave zero-fucks about standing up to them - while in Book of Boba Fett... that aggression against far less competent enemies seems... "toned down".

So I'm sitting on the fence, I'm not giving up yet.
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Post by: Omega on January 21, 2022, 09:02:29 PM
I think that is the point with the gang. They are new and fresh and stand out like a sore thumb - like tourists really.
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Post by: Lurkndog on January 22, 2022, 12:01:25 PM
Spoilers for Episode 4... have been been approved.

So Boba's glitterpunks are called Mods. I like it. It's short, fitting, and it's a name that's unique to Star Wars. It appears the Mods are a local subculture, since the mod parlor was over in Mos Eisley. Not just a small group of offworlders. They have a support network.

I really appreciated the brief scene of Slave-1 flying up on the biker gang and machinegunning the lot of them. You want old school Boba, there you go.

I didn't like the sarlacc scene nearly as much. Too much slapstick.

Hopefully the announcement that Boba is fully healed means no more bacta tank flashbacks.

Here's a question: if Boba is the new Jabba, does he also run Mos Eisley? In the original Star Wars, Jabba was a household name in Mos Eisley, and even shows up there in person in the infamous deleted scene. But I didn't get the impression that Jabba was running Mos Eisley. The Empire was running the town. Perhaps Mos Eisley was the Empire's headquarters on Tatooine, and Jabba was allowed to run Mos Espa openly, and just the underground in Mos Eisley.

Is the New Republic stationed in Mos Eisley now?
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Post by: Lurkndog on January 22, 2022, 12:16:02 PM
I liked getting a flashback to Fennec's rescue, and some backstory to establish their relationship.

I'm not sure I wanted it here, though.

Episode 3 ended with "The Pykes are invading!" and Episode 4 doesn't pay that off, but instead just drops that thread completely.
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Post by: Ratman_tf on January 22, 2022, 08:21:02 PM
I like how they spelled out Boba Fett's changes after being a Sarlacc munchie and then hanging out with the Sandpeople to get his wind back.

He's tired of being a flunkie, and he's tired of being a loner. That's understandable. And it's almost meta. He's trying to become a named character instead of the flunkie who gets tossed down a sand monster pit.
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Post by: Thornhammer on January 22, 2022, 11:28:35 PM
Here's a question: if Boba is the new Jabba, does he also run Mos Eisley?

Probably not until Fett throws his weight around enough to establish that he's Captain Baddass (with two Ds for a double dose of pimpin') who is indeed the Boss Man of Tatooine.

Having a new rancor will probably pull a lot of weight once word gets out.
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Post by: Wntrlnd on January 23, 2022, 04:52:10 AM
I like how they spelled out Boba Fett's changes after being a Sarlacc munchie and then hanging out with the Sandpeople to get his wind back.

He's tired of being a flunkie, and he's tired of being a loner. That's understandable. And it's almost meta. He's trying to become a named character instead of the flunkie who gets tossed down a sand monster pit.

And explains why he saves Fennec, spares the two Gamorreans, hires the unemployed mods and lets Krrsantin go (so he can hire him later). They're all the same kind of disposable flunkies like he once was.
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Post by: HappyDaze on January 25, 2022, 12:30:15 AM
I read an article that said the actor playing Boba thinks he "talks too much" and would have skipped much of his lines if given a choice (he wasn't). While I agree that a less talkative Boba would have seemed more fitting, that might push him closer to feeling like the lead from Mandalorian (at least early on) and there are already a lot of non-speaking parts in Book of Boba.
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Post by: Lurkndog on January 25, 2022, 05:57:48 PM
I read an article that said the actor playing Boba thinks he "talks too much" and would have skipped much of his lines if given a choice (he wasn't). While I agree that a less talkative Boba would have seemed more fitting, that might push him closer to feeling like the lead from Mandalorian (at least early on) and there are already a lot of non-speaking parts in Book of Boba.
I don't really agree. Boba is by no means chatty, and most of his dialog is focused and terse, in keeping with previous depictions in ESB.

The only time he gets really chatty is when he's talking with the Rancor handler, and that whole scene is an absolute gem. Hope we see more of Danny Trejo this season.

I also feel that showing his face more has made the scenes with Boba in armor better, as we understand what's going on behind the mask a lot more.
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Post by: Lurkndog on January 26, 2022, 07:21:04 AM
Season 1 Episode 5 is out. No spoilers until Saturday.

No spoilers, but this one is going to blow up in the media. If you don't want to be spoiled, stay off the Internet. I recommend seeing it ASAP.
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Post by: Thornhammer on January 26, 2022, 06:29:59 PM
Fucking hell that was satisfying.
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Post by: Wntrlnd on January 26, 2022, 08:07:05 PM
My jaw dropped about 6 minutes in after the title card.

THAT was not something I had expected to see in the Star Wars franchise..
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Post by: Ratman_tf on January 27, 2022, 12:31:45 AM
Mixed feelings about this epsiode. More on Sat.
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Post by: Banjo Destructo on January 27, 2022, 11:56:59 AM
I enjoyed Episode 5.
No spoilers about it.

Episode 1-4 thoughts
Shouldn't boba have been younger or digitally de-aged in the flashbacks? Or did he spend like.. years inside the sarlak?
The character of boba fett seems very empty now that they're trying to actually make him a character.
I don't feel any enthusiasm for the character in the writing. And the rainbow biker gang doesn't feel like they fit in.
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Post by: HappyDaze on January 27, 2022, 04:15:59 PM
I enjoyed Episode 5.
No spoilers about it.

Episode 1-4 thoughts
Shouldn't boba have been younger or digitally de-aged in the flashbacks? Or did he spend like.. years inside the sarlak?
The character of boba fett seems very empty now that they're trying to actually make him a character.
I don't feel any enthusiasm for the character in the writing. And the rainbow biker gang doesn't feel like they fit in.
Boba should only be in his early 40s. 10 years old in E2, +3 years old in E3, +23 years in E6, +5 years in Mandalorian/BoBF gives us 41 (roughly).
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Post by: Banjo Destructo on January 28, 2022, 09:48:29 AM
I enjoyed Episode 5.
No spoilers about it.

Episode 1-4 thoughts
Shouldn't boba have been younger or digitally de-aged in the flashbacks? Or did he spend like.. years inside the sarlak?
The character of boba fett seems very empty now that they're trying to actually make him a character.
I don't feel any enthusiasm for the character in the writing. And the rainbow biker gang doesn't feel like they fit in.
Boba should only be in his early 40s. 10 years old in E2, +3 years old in E3, +23 years in E6, +5 years in Mandalorian/BoBF gives us 41 (roughly).
Yeah, Temuera Morrison doesn't look early 40's, he does look close to his age to me.
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Post by: Lurkndog on January 29, 2022, 08:58:16 AM
If you haven't seen Episode 5, turn away, because SPOILERS ARE COMING!!!
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Post by: Lurkndog on January 29, 2022, 09:40:52 AM
MANDO!!! This was essentially Mandolorian Season 3 Episode 1.

I'm not sure what I think about the space slaughterhouse. I'm guessing most of it was a virtual set. They got away with a minimum amount of sci fi cues, mainly the white tiles with black grout, some radiused doorways and windows, and a blueish cast to the lighting. And lots of aliens, of course.

Seems like most of the overtly sci fi elements were virtual, while most of the practical props and furniture were contemporary, and kept plain enough not to give off any real vibe of their own.

The slaughterhouse boss, Kaba Baiz, gave off really strong Brion James vibes to me, though the actor/stuntman playing him looks nothing like the late Brion James.

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Post by: Lurkndog on January 29, 2022, 10:13:27 AM
My jaw dropped about 6 minutes in after the title card.

THAT was not something I had expected to see in the Star Wars franchise..

Yeah, a ringworld! Though it was a pretty small one, around ten blocks wide, and probably several hundred kilometers around. 
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Wntrlnd on January 29, 2022, 11:22:06 AM
My jaw dropped about 6 minutes in after the title card.

THAT was not something I had expected to see in the Star Wars franchise..

Yeah, a ringworld! Though it was a pretty small one, around ten blocks wide, and probably several hundred kilometers around.

I'm just disappointed with all the reactors going "Halo! Halo! Halo!" whereas I am sitting there: "Won't somebody at least reference Larry Niven?!"
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Post by: Ratman_tf on January 29, 2022, 01:40:28 PM
Loved epsiode 5, but it made me want more Mandalorian episodes instead. Having a whole episode focused on Djin Darren in a Boba Fett show felt indulgent.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on January 29, 2022, 02:51:17 PM
My jaw dropped about 6 minutes in after the title card.

THAT was not something I had expected to see in the Star Wars franchise..

Yeah, a ringworld! Though it was a pretty small one, around ten blocks wide, and probably several hundred kilometers around.

I'm just disappointed with all the reactors going "Halo! Halo! Halo!" whereas I am sitting there: "Won't somebody at least reference Larry Niven?!"

:) If it's any consolation I've read most of Niven, and never played Halo.
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Post by: Lurkndog on January 30, 2022, 07:26:39 PM
So, a spoiler has dropped, in the form of the cast listing for Episode 7 of BOBF on IMDB (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13948762/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm).

Don't follow the link if you don't want to be spoiled. And I'm not entirely sure what to make of it. It's possible this is some kind of mistake.
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Post by: Wntrlnd on January 31, 2022, 03:33:40 AM
So, a spoiler has dropped, in the form of the cast listing for Episode 7 of BOBF on IMDB (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13948762/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm).

Don't follow the link if you don't want to be spoiled. And I'm not entirely sure what to make of it. It's possible this is some kind of mistake.

I only see three names, two of them are main characters and the third is no surprise. Did your list have more? It's possible they accidentally wrote the guest characters and then quickly went "oh shit" and pruned the entire list except those 3
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Post by: Lurkndog on January 31, 2022, 09:25:38 AM
So, a spoiler has dropped, in the form of the cast listing for Episode 7 of BOBF on IMDB (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13948762/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm).

Don't follow the link if you don't want to be spoiled. And I'm not entirely sure what to make of it. It's possible this is some kind of mistake.

I only see three names, two of them are main characters and the third is no surprise. Did your list have more? It's possible they accidentally wrote the guest characters and then quickly went "oh shit" and pruned the entire list except those 3
There was a fourth name listed. Let's just say he was in Blade Runner.

As far as I'm concerned, this is still just an unconfirmed rumor. The IMDB listing could have been a mistake, or a deliberate hack.
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Post by: Kiero on February 01, 2022, 05:27:48 AM
Am I the only one who things the mod gang's bionics look shit?

MANDO!!! This was essentially Mandolorian Season 3 Episode 1.

Precisely, the final scene was a fig leaf to remind us it took place in another show and linked it back to the plotline of episode 4. Not that it was bad, mind, but it just seemed random to have an episode of The Mandalorian in the other show.
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Post by: Banjo Destructo on February 01, 2022, 09:41:35 AM
You're not the only one. I wonder why they're even in the show.
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Post by: Lurkndog on February 02, 2022, 10:42:10 AM
Episode 6 is out, and manages to top Episode 5. No spoilers until Saturday, please.

Seriously, this is another "stay off the Internet until you get a chance to watch it" episode.

Enjoy!
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Post by: Kiero on February 02, 2022, 03:50:34 PM
Shit, did they bring everyone back for episode 6?
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Post by: Thornhammer on February 02, 2022, 06:23:42 PM
Another good ‘un.

Next week gonna have to be a real humdinger.
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Post by: HappyDaze on February 02, 2022, 11:54:26 PM
I really didn't care for this episode at all. So many guests that I just didn't feel like it was tied together worth a shit.
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Post by: Ratman_tf on February 03, 2022, 01:58:23 AM
Shit, did they bring everyone back for episode 6?

No.  :(
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on February 03, 2022, 09:54:19 AM
Shit, did they bring everyone back for episode 6?

No.  :(
They had to leave something for Episode 7. There have been heavy rumors about that.

I'd like to see Cara Dune put in an appearance, though I have not seen any rumors about that.
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Post by: Ratman_tf on February 03, 2022, 10:19:28 AM
Shit, did they bring everyone back for episode 6?

No.  :(
They had to leave something for Episode 7. There have been heavy rumors about that.

I'd like to see Cara Dune put in an appearance, though I have not seen any rumors about that.

I don't think Gina Carano should go back to Disney after they took a steaming dump on her. Even if I would love to see Cara Dune again.
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Post by: Banjo Destructo on February 03, 2022, 12:12:44 PM
I enjoyed episode 6, kinda just makes me want mandelorian season 3 instead of book of boba fet though hehe.
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Post by: Kiero on February 03, 2022, 01:13:03 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love The Mandalorian, but why have we now had two episodes of it in this show?

I don't think Gina Carano should go back to Disney after they took a steaming dump on her. Even if I would love to see Cara Dune again.

Disney are idiots, she's my daughters' favourite character in Star Wars. Didn't require any marketing or puffing, like Rey (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz), just seeing her in the show was enough. They're really disappointed she won't be back.
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Post by: HappyDaze on February 05, 2022, 09:27:57 AM
The Luke bits seemed creepy--largely because he didn't have anyone live to play off in most scenes, so the CG kept my attention in an unflattering way. I've never liked Ahsoka before and still don't. I liked Bane before, but he was supposed to be old and crusty (but a badass) in TCW, so having him pop up 25 or so years later without any real changes didn't feel quite right. If they really want to keep pushing the guests, is have much preferred to see Embo show up. I really like the marshal and I hope he's not dead.
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Post by: Lurkndog on February 05, 2022, 11:11:50 AM
I enjoyed episode 6, kinda just makes me want mandelorian season 3 instead of book of boba fet though hehe.

There was talk about the Favreau/Filoni series having a big interconnected arc this "season." Maybe this is the start of that.

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Post by: Lurkndog on February 05, 2022, 11:24:49 AM
The Luke bits seemed creepy--largely because he didn't have anyone live to play off in most scenes, so the CG kept my attention in an unflattering way.
I was able to get past the effects, particularly in shots that weren't closeups.

I liked Bane before, but he was supposed to be old and crusty (but a badass) in TCW, so having him pop up 25 or so years later without any real changes didn't feel quite right.
I generally agree, I had hoped to see Bane in a similar role to Greef Karga. OTOH, he works well as a gunslinger.

Quote
I really like the marshal and I hope he's not dead.
Me too!
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Post by: Tait Ransom on February 05, 2022, 04:15:48 PM
These last 2 episodes were fantastic, even if they were more The Mandalorian than TBoBF.  I loved every moment of them, especially this last one!  Luke and a Ahsoka, Grogu’s training, Cobb Vanth, AND Cad Bane?!

Also, Bryce Dallas Howard and Dave Filoni are turning out to be very good directors.
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Post by: Ratman_tf on February 05, 2022, 10:53:21 PM
I enjoyed episode 6, kinda just makes me want mandelorian season 3 instead of book of boba fet though hehe.

There was talk about the Favreau/Filoni series having a big interconnected arc this "season." Maybe this is the start of that.

It's starting to feel like an anthology series instead of a series about Boba Fett. Which isn't a bad thing, but it's just an odd way of going about it.
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Post by: Thornhammer on February 05, 2022, 11:40:23 PM
Yes - “mention this sort of thing from the get-go” would help, but still the surprise of a Mandalorian episode (much less two) was pretty sweet.

I’m glad I’m going to be busy with a phone system cutover this Wednesday, keep my ass off the Internet until I can get to my designated watch time.
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Post by: Lurkndog on February 06, 2022, 11:03:02 AM
I really loved seeing Luke training Grogu. This is exactly the kind of content that I wanted the sequel trilogy to be. Getting Luke as a cameo in Mandalorian was pretty incredible, getting him as a full-time cast member is a dream come true.

That said, if he is going to be part of the ensemble going forward, then he has to have a story arc of his own. I am hoping that we are seeing the beginning of that. Specifically, I hope that what we are seeing is only Luke's first steps towards becoming a new Jedi Master.

Right now, you can see how he is imitating Yoda and Ben Kenobi in the way that he is training Grogu. The problem with that, though, is that if you use Yoda's methods, you get Yoda's results. And the results of Yoda's tenure were the alienation of Anakin Skywalker and the fall of the Jedi Order.

In particular, Luke doing the Lone Wolf and Cub "choose your path" scene seems out of character for Luke. That is a total Yoda move, and I believe that Luke will come to realize that.

I hope Luke will come to reject the "no attachments" dogma of the prequel-era Jedi. After all, Luke was the only one who sensed good in Darth Vader, and cared enough to try and save him. Those are attachments. And in the end, Anakin Skywalker's attachments brought about his redemption.

Ultimately, I hope that Luke's true power as a Jedi Master will be his good judgement. He may be the best judge of character in the galaxy. But in order to make it a story, he doesn't start there, and he will have lessons to learn along the way.

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Post by: Lurkndog on February 06, 2022, 11:05:47 AM
Also, Grogu's choice should be:

"I am walking out of here with the beskar AND the lightsaber.
A path to the dark side, your manipulative bullshit is."
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Post by: Omega on February 06, 2022, 03:45:48 PM
Also, Grogu's choice should be:

"I am walking out of here with the beskar AND the lightsaber.
A path to the dark side, your manipulative bullshit is."

Eventually it turns out Yoda had possessed Luke and has been puppeting him to teach the Yoda way rather than letting Luke teach something kinder and more holistic.

Oh come on. You know the evil little SOB would do it in a heartbeat.
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Post by: Ratman_tf on February 06, 2022, 08:14:03 PM
Right now, you can see how he is imitating Yoda and Ben Kenobi in the way that he is training Grogu. The problem with that, though, is that if you use Yoda's methods, you get Yoda's results. And the results of Yoda's tenure were the alienation of Anakin Skywalker and the fall of the Jedi Order.

After the prequels, I don't buy that. Anakin was a whiny, petulant little shit who got mad because everything didn't go exactly his way, and he had to put in the work like everyone else to become a master, not just be sitting in a chair. Dude agreed to be a Jedi then got married on the side, and kept it a secret so he could have his cake and eat it too.

Anakin could have just quit being a Jedi, Dooku did. But he wanted it all, and fuck everyone who got in his way.

Luke beat the Emperor by giving up his attachment to his father. By stopping trying to redeem him or kill him, he allowed Anakin the opportunity to redeem himself.

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Post by: Lurkndog on February 07, 2022, 09:24:50 PM
Luke beat the Emperor by giving up his attachment to his father. By stopping trying to redeem him or kill him, he allowed Anakin the opportunity to redeem himself.

No. Luke bet everything on his belief in his father. He realized that attacking Vader would provoke him to fight back, but refusing to attack forced Anakin to stop and think about what he was doing. Then Palpatine went after Luke, and Vader took down Palpatine.
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Post by: Lurkndog on February 07, 2022, 09:41:46 PM
One minor thing: I noticed Max Reebo wasn't in the Sanctuary when it was bombed.

Also, while their deepfake job on Luke is impressive, I have noticed that they are also using it to put alien heads on actors. A couple of the Trandoshans have glitched at points, giving away the effect. It's possible they are using deepfake to cover up some kind of makeup failure or maybe just to add lipflap.
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Post by: Lurkndog on February 08, 2022, 08:35:30 PM
It's Tuesday night, episode 7 drops tomorrow morning, and I feel like a giddy kid on Christmas Eve. That doesn't happen to me much any more.

Thank you Jon Favreau, Dave Filoni, and everyone else who got up early and stayed up late working on this show.

I just wonder how they're going to get closure on the Mos Espa storyline in the time they have left, along with all the other plates they have spinning.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on February 09, 2022, 06:45:11 AM
Episode 7 has dropped. No spoilers until Saturday 2/12/22, please.

There is an extra scene halfway through the end credits, so make sure you don't miss it.

Apart from that, there's a lot to unpack on Saturday.
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Post by: Thornhammer on February 09, 2022, 09:17:31 AM
Well, good or bad?
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Post by: jeff37923 on February 09, 2022, 11:52:09 AM
Good. It was everything that I wanted it to be.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Kiero on February 09, 2022, 05:34:43 PM
That was the finale?
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on February 09, 2022, 05:40:12 PM
Well, good or bad?

I'd say good, but I think it depends what people were expecting. If you wanted closure on this season of BOBF, you get it.

If you wanted something else that was going to top Luke showing up at the end of Mando Season 2, not so much. (IMHO, we got that in E6).

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Post by: Thornhammer on February 10, 2022, 12:20:45 AM
I enjoyed it.

Yeah, topping the end of Mando 2 would be extremely difficult. But it was good.

Not gonna lie…Ming-Na Wen still looks mighty fine as well as badass.

And since we only have a couple months to Obi-Wan, I’m satisfied for a bit.


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Post by: Ratman_tf on February 10, 2022, 04:23:59 AM
I'll get around to seeing it later, but I'm seeing a lot of negative takes on social media, even people whose opinions I sort of agree with.

Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Banjo Destructo on February 10, 2022, 08:10:25 AM
We had to stop halfway through because my son woke up and wouldn't go back to sleep, have to watch the second half later.
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Post by: Lurkndog on February 10, 2022, 10:18:00 AM
Yeah, topping the end of Mando 2 would be extremely difficult. But it was good.

I am of the opinion that getting most of an episode of Master Luke and Grogu in BOBF Episode 6 tops the very brief cameo in Mando.

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Not gonna lie…Ming-Na Wen still looks mighty fine as well as badass.

Indeed. I kind of hope they give Fennec Shand a storyline of her own sometime. We only see her in the context of being Boba's majordomo.

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And since we only have a couple months to Obi-Wan, I’m satisfied for a bit.

Is Obi-Wan next? Then Ahsoka, then Mando?

With Obi-Wan happening in a different time period than the Mandoverse, I'm not expecting a lot of crossovers. Though Star Wars Rebels had Obi-Wan show up for an episode, and it would not surprise me to see the Obi-Wan show revisit that storyline in live action.
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Post by: Ratman_tf on February 11, 2022, 01:26:45 AM
Ok. Watched it. Nothing specific for spoilers, but I thought it was ok, but just ok.
Which is better than a lot of Star War lately, so *shrug*

Details on Saturday. I have a nit to pick, and it's bugging the hell out of me.
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Post by: tenbones on February 11, 2022, 12:11:35 PM
All totaled I'm let down.

Boba Fett is portrayed throughout the series as INCOMPETENT and out of character. Without going into last-episode spoiler issues (which had a lot of stuff that bugged me)... The Boba Fett of the series simply didn't stack up with Fett's portrayal in the Mandalorian - which was more hard edged and ruthless.

That's something you *have* to be to run a criminal empire. Then somehow in this series we get a bait-and-switch where he's "takes over" but doesn't want to actually engage in any criminal business "because"... but what? He expects people to pay tribute "or else"?

My big problems are the scenes where Boba Fett should be *showing* his skills, they give it to Fennec Shand to be the actual badass. I'm not saying they shouldn't downplay her either - they established her as a galactic-feared assassin. Check. Boba Fett is more known in the underworld than that. Dude worked for Darth Vader and the Hutts. He's a fucking legend among Bounty Hunter's Guild, and all the downplaying of that shouldn't have diminished his rep. I mean everyone thought he died... with Jabba... but that motherfucker is STILL ALIVE. If anything it should have reinforced his rep.

The establishing scene of him offing Bib Fortuna was perfect. It was no-nonsense, and straight to the fucking point. The show mires itself in INTENSELY stupid tactical choices that Boba Fett would never have done. It's not that the story beats of the series were wrong - it lacks good script editing to make sure

#1 Boba Fett is the star of the fucking show.
#2 Boba Fett should be doing Legendary Boba Fett shit at ALL TIMES
#3 The Hutts should be the fucking Enemies. Not the fucking Mayor - who upon realizing Boba Fett was back, should have shit in his pants, and bent the knee. The Pyke Syndicate? They know exactly who the fuck Boba Fett is. They're interested in *money* not fighting in the streets for no reason. I could go on much more about this but I'll wait til the spoiler embargo is over.

The Cyber-Tweens... just fucking a smelly discordant note that is a HUGE missed opportunity. It's stylistically completely not in-line with living on the Edge or specifically even Tatooine.  And they're horribly acted, and they suck. Conceptually they could have been cool... but no, they're a badly executed punchline.

Anyhow...
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Post by: Banjo Destructo on February 11, 2022, 12:34:55 PM
Finished watching it.  I literally laughed at one of the sound effects they used after a certain thing gets defeated. I mean.. it was such a generic "crowd cheering" sound it didn't fit in at all with the scene or how the actors/extras were behaving, probably because of the speedy editing that was rumored for the last episode. 
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 11, 2022, 04:04:04 PM
Insignificant spoiler, they used the damn wilhelm scream in one scene. It's the kind of think that when I hear it now, I reflexivley roll my eyes.
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Post by: Banjo Destructo on February 11, 2022, 04:33:01 PM
Insignificant spoiler, they used the damn wilhelm scream in one scene. It's the kind of think that when I hear it now, I reflexivley roll my eyes.
I think there's a Wilhelm screen in everything star wars, its kind of an in-joke at this point I think.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: HappyDaze on February 12, 2022, 09:35:58 PM
All totaled I'm let down.

Boba Fett is portrayed throughout the series as INCOMPETENT and out of character. Without going into last-episode spoiler issues (which had a lot of stuff that bugged me)... The Boba Fett of the series simply didn't stack up with Fett's portrayal in the Mandalorian - which was more hard edged and ruthless.

That's something you *have* to be to run a criminal empire. Then somehow in this series we get a bait-and-switch where he's "takes over" but doesn't want to actually engage in any criminal business "because"... but what? He expects people to pay tribute "or else"?

My big problems are the scenes where Boba Fett should be *showing* his skills, they give it to Fennec Shand to be the actual badass. I'm not saying they shouldn't downplay her either - they established her as a galactic-feared assassin. Check. Boba Fett is more known in the underworld than that. Dude worked for Darth Vader and the Hutts. He's a fucking legend among Bounty Hunter's Guild, and all the downplaying of that shouldn't have diminished his rep. I mean everyone thought he died... with Jabba... but that motherfucker is STILL ALIVE. If anything it should have reinforced his rep.

The establishing scene of him offing Bib Fortuna was perfect. It was no-nonsense, and straight to the fucking point. The show mires itself in INTENSELY stupid tactical choices that Boba Fett would never have done. It's not that the story beats of the series were wrong - it lacks good script editing to make sure

#1 Boba Fett is the star of the fucking show.
#2 Boba Fett should be doing Legendary Boba Fett shit at ALL TIMES
#3 The Hutts should be the fucking Enemies. Not the fucking Mayor - who upon realizing Boba Fett was back, should have shit in his pants, and bent the knee. The Pyke Syndicate? They know exactly who the fuck Boba Fett is. They're interested in *money* not fighting in the streets for no reason. I could go on much more about this but I'll wait til the spoiler embargo is over.

The Cyber-Tweens... just fucking a smelly discordant note that is a HUGE missed opportunity. It's stylistically completely not in-line with living on the Edge or specifically even Tatooine.  And they're horribly acted, and they suck. Conceptually they could have been cool... but no, they're a badly executed punchline.

Anyhow...
I agree with pretty much all of this. Boba didn't feel like Boba and the show's tone was all over the place with too much time spent on everyone other than Boba.
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Post by: Lurkndog on February 12, 2022, 09:45:09 PM
Let The Spoilers Commence for Episode 7!

Did it seem to anyone else that Cad Bane had a death wish? Like maybe a bit of a Doc Holliday thing going on? He wanted to go out on his feet. But at the same time, he didn't want to make it a fair fight. Which is consistent, he was always a treacherous, clever enemy.

It seemed to me that they were going for Clint Eastwood when they animated Cad Bane's mouth.

It made sense to me that Luke sent Artoo to drop off Grogu. His first stint as a Jedi Master ended in failure, he probably wants to lie low and figure out where he went wrong. Hopefully he will. Again, I hope the plan is for Luke to become a great Jedi Master, but he isn't starting out there. I hope that getting to that point will be his story arc.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Luke pay a visit to Mando to apologize for how things ended with Grogu.

Pelli Motto's reaction to the X-Wing suggests that they are not a regular sight on Tattooine, so there is probably not a permanent New Republic presence at Mos Eisley.

That was Cobb Vanth in the bacta tank at the end. Looks like we're getting a Robocop.
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Post by: Ratman_tf on February 12, 2022, 10:48:20 PM
Ok. fine episode. The Rancor got a bit silly, especially the King Kong homage, but ah well.

What's bugging me is how the damn shields allow the droids to fire through them. This isn't a nit restricted to this episode, or this universe, but it really stood out in this episode because we got great views of the blasts passing through the shields.

Since we never see the shields "flicker" to allow the shots to pass through, I'm going to assume for now that shields are only one way protection.
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Post by: oggsmash on February 13, 2022, 01:56:00 PM
I enjoyed it.

Yeah, topping the end of Mando 2 would be extremely difficult. But it was good.

Not gonna lie…Ming-Na Wen still looks mighty fine as well as badass.

And since we only have a couple months to Obi-Wan, I’m satisfied for a bit.

  I do not even watch the show, any season, or have Disney plus.  I have even seen the end of the finale episode for Mando 2, and to be honest, I think it would be impossible for ANY series to have a better finale.   
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Post by: tenbones on February 14, 2022, 12:06:00 PM
Cry Havoc!!!

in no particular order

"Lets Not Fight In the Fortified Fortress" - Yes, let's let the retarded Vespa rider decide for the Daimyo and the Mandalorian to fight in the indefensible destroyed nightclub under the idiotic premise they were there "for the people". The fucking Pykes weren't there to KILL THE PEOPLE - they're coming to KILL YOU. So in what universe would Boba Fett and the Mandalorian take their strategic advice from a air-scooter riding idiot that lives in a back alley? DUMB

Tactical Failure - Mando and Fett come in hot, doing quite well flying in with aerial superiority, then immediate go full-retard and land in the middle of the street to provide their enemies with the perfect targets. If that was my campaign - those would be dead PC's, deservedly so.

Dark Lord of the Sith in the Making - So Grogu is destined for darkness. He's emotionally charged and he has the Force. FULL STOP - he's doomed. Luke should know this. There is a reason the Jedi practice non-attachment, so he's all set to fall to the Dark Side.

No Hutts is Stupid - Narratively the Hutts should have immediately rushed in to fill the vacuum of Jabba. There is a reason why Jabba was so powerful and why he made his home on Tatooine - it was the veritable hub of all spice trade coming from the Outer Rim and he was completely uncontested. Obviously his Kajdic knew and likely coveted this racket and there is literally no way that they wouldn't have claimed it *IMMEDIATELY*. I fully admit, when I saw the Twins arrive, I was like HOLY SHIT, they're gonna do it. And DEEP down I was hopying/praying they were gonna roll in with squads of Gangks, but when they pulled out... I was like WTF?!?!?!?

The TikTok Scooter Gang - Seriously... wtf. How out of place, non-sensical, and lame were these? What purpose did they actually serve? They could have been cool - if they looked like they were locals, instead we got CP2020 rejects on slow-moving vespas with lame outfits and bad hair. Horrible execution. They added nothing to the show, or the final episode except creating a gigantic narrative void in forcing a large combat that was fought like a bunch of morons for no reason.

I'm the Warlord of Nothing - Somehow Boba Fett went from "taking over Jabba's empire" to "becoming Sheriff of a town and demanding something for nothing." Seriously wtf? Do the writers of this show not understand they pulled the rug out from under us. The whole setup was for Fett to take over Jabba's operations, then he decides he's going to "clean up" Tatooine... are you fucking kidding me? There is a galaxy of shitty planets he could "take over" and be sheriff of - the whole point of Tatooine IS being two things: A hub of spice trafficking from the Outer Rim, and a hideout of super-powerful Force sensitives on the run. This whole thing about Fett becoming a do-gooder while shaking people down is nonsensical - and it actually overshadows Cobb Vanth... it's ***DUMB***. And it is completely out of character.

The Pyke Syndicate failure - If we're going on the premise that Boba Fett is trying to become "legit", then the Pykes make sense. The problem is the story would require at least three seasons to tell, and then maybe it might work. But the reality is crime syndicates exist to make money, not fight wars. That's bad for business. And the reality is if Fett showed up, the Pykes would at minimum have sent an envoy to see if they could get a better deal with Fett running the show than the stupid Mayor, as that never happened, for some reason, the Mayor and the Five Families got amnesia and forgot who the fuck Fett was, and worse, shit on him. In their defense, Fett was magically depowered from the end of Mandalorian and had all his testosterone removed in that Bacta Tank and injected into Fennec Shand, who was operating at peak ruthless.


The reality is the big gaping plothole is the Pykes should have been BACKING Boba Fett who should have been fighting against the Hutts. That is the arc that the story should have been telling. The Pykes want the same thing as the Hutts (who mysteriously just GAVE UP?!?!??!) and the best bet to take out the Hutts is to be backing Fett - who would have given them a better deal than the Hutts would have.

Anyhow... Fett is portrayed very poorly, he's outshined by every other character for no reason than to make him look incompetent rather than raise the stakes they lower them with stupidity and bad plotting and worse execution.

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Post by: Ratman_tf on February 14, 2022, 01:55:39 PM
Cry Havoc!!!

Tactical Failure - Mando and Fett come in hot, doing quite well flying in with aerial superiority, then immediate go full-retard and land in the middle of the street to provide their enemies with the perfect targets. If that was my campaign - those would be dead PC's, deservedly so.

I like the drama of the jetpacks, but tactically, they're floating very slowly around with no cover, very easy targets.
Jetpacks should be used to get from point A to point B quickly without having to worry about terrain, but they should'nt loiter in the air and should find cover once they land.

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Dark Lord of the Sith in the Making - So Grogu is destined for darkness. He's emotionally charged and he has the Force. FULL STOP - he's doomed. Luke should know this. There is a reason the Jedi practice non-attachment, so he's all set to fall to the Dark Side.

Having Grogu come back seems to deflate the drama of him having to leave in the first place. We were told how his power would require training, and now he's left that training.
But what could Luke do? Force Grogu to stay?
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Post by: HappyDaze on February 14, 2022, 02:12:22 PM
We all had to know that Disney was not going to let Boba, being a title character, engage in slavery and spice/drug running. That they went extra far by having him go native with the Tuskens and try to rehabilitate all the other nasty dudes (Gammoreans, biker tweens, Krrsantan) into the Tatooine Avengers was the bigger problem. I'm just glad he didn't get Cad Bane to do a heel/face turn too.
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Post by: VisionStorm on February 14, 2022, 03:18:34 PM
In their defense, Fett was magically depowered from the end of Mandalorian and had all his testosterone removed in that Bacta Tank and injected into Fennec Shand, who was operating at peak ruthless.

He probably had his balls installed on her when he took her to the cyber clinic, and said "Here, I don't need these anymore. You'll find better use of them here on out now I've replaced my dick with the stick the Tuskens gave me."

RE the show in general: I found it enjoyable and better than most of the stuff Disney has made, other than the Mandalorian, which was far better and more consistent. Here, they focused on making an entertaining show more than something that made sense. It can be enjoyable if you don't think about it too much, but a lot of the stuff wasn't in character and/or didn't make sense. Boba Fett decided to go soft for no apparent reason, and they immediately killed off his Tusken tribe after all the effort they went through establishing them and his training in their stick fighting style, followed by them taking out the Pyke train, his vision quest thing, etc. Then suddenly they get wiped out entirely the the immediate episode, like Tuskens ain't shit in a fight and they didn't cause the Pykes heavy loses the first time around taking down their train.

And how does Boba even run his operation? I know he took over Jabba's palace, but how the fuck does he generate revenue now that he's gone legit and is acting like a glorified sheriff instead of a crime boss, while still calling himself a crime boss (or Daimyo), because...reason?

I didn't necessary hate the cyber gang as much, but I also didn't like them much either. And I couldn't help but think "Who da hell thought giving a gang scooters would look awesome?" I kept thinking "Why da hell is a badass (or at least trying to be badass) cybergang riding freaking scooters? WTF?"
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: HappyDaze on February 14, 2022, 04:03:05 PM
Boba has said he has plenty of money. He's never claimed he has any new income. Perhaps he's filthy rich from his previous bounty hunting career and the investments he made (that matured in the five years he spent in the sarlacc).
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: tenbones on February 14, 2022, 04:25:41 PM

I like the drama of the jetpacks, but tactically, they're floating very slowly around with no cover, very easy targets.
Jetpacks should be used to get from point A to point B quickly without having to worry about terrain, but they should'nt loiter in the air and should find cover once they land.

I liked it too. But they already clearly changed how those jetpacks worked - The Mandalorian flew across an ocean and both the Mando and Cobb Vance flew across a fairly long section of the desert, not to mention the combat scenes in the Mandalorian where they were flying around and using them tactically. Look, I'm saying I just want some consistency. And *NOTHING* in that scene could be worse than landing in the middle of the street in the middle of all that blaster-fire. It was stupid.

Having Grogu come back seems to deflate the drama of him having to leave in the first place. We were told how his power would require training, and now he's left that training.
But what could Luke do? Force Grogu to stay?

Totally agree on the deflation part.

As for what Luke could do? That's a good question - the LORE says the Jedi would not allow such rejects to leave Tython or they were forced into the "Service Corps" for the express purpose of doing "peace-corps" type stuff to prevent them from going Dark Side.

The reality is this precisely why they don't teach kids that are "too old" since the emotional attachment issue has already set in. In reality they need to be going the Darth Kreia route but that's a different discussion.

Luke should have never given him the option. Flat out.
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Post by: Ratman_tf on February 14, 2022, 05:09:54 PM
As for what Luke could do? That's a good question - the LORE says the Jedi would not allow such rejects to leave Tython or they were forced into the "Service Corps" for the express purpose of doing "peace-corps" type stuff to prevent them from going Dark Side.

The reality is this precisely why they don't teach kids that are "too old" since the emotional attachment issue has already set in. In reality they need to be going the Darth Kreia route but that's a different discussion.

Luke should have never given him the option. Flat out.

We already have one canon and one semi-canon examples of Jedi leaving the order and seeming to not have any restrictions placed on them. Count Dooku and Ahsoka Tano.
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Post by: Aglondir on February 14, 2022, 06:02:24 PM
Just finished the Book of Boring Fett.

Boba Fett: Boring. 
Fennec Shand: Boring.
Gen Z scooter gang: Boring.
Pike Syndicate: Boring
Luke on the Bamboo Planet: Boring

Mando: "Sorry I can't do season 3, my back is sore after carrying Boba Fett's show."
Cobb Vanth: I would have rather seen 7 episodes about this guy issuing parking tickets.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 14, 2022, 06:11:45 PM
Just finished the Book of Boring Fett.

Boba Fett: Boring. 
Fennec Shand: Boring.
Gen Z scooter gang: Boring.
Pike Syndicate: Boring
Luke on the Bamboo Planet: Boring

Mando: "Sorry I can't do season 3, my back is sore after carrying Boba Fett's show."
Cobb Vanth: I would have rather seen 7 episodes about this guy issuing parking tickets.

I guess tastes vary. I found Cobb to be a fine guest character, but in a show full of gunslingers and ronin, hardly a standout.
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Post by: VisionStorm on February 14, 2022, 06:14:19 PM
Boba has said he has plenty of money. He's never claimed he has any new income. Perhaps he's filthy rich from his previous bounty hunting career and the investments he made (that matured in the five years he spent in the sarlacc).

So his master plan is to blow his retirement fund running what has to be an expensive AF operation (between paying upkeep for Jabba's Palace and constant Bacta Tank baths for him and everyone who does right by him, plus salaries for all the people that work for him, and ammo and stuff) as a full time charitable venture to clean up a crime infested spice running planet at the edge of civilization?
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: VisionStorm on February 14, 2022, 06:23:18 PM
As for what Luke could do? That's a good question - the LORE says the Jedi would not allow such rejects to leave Tython or they were forced into the "Service Corps" for the express purpose of doing "peace-corps" type stuff to prevent them from going Dark Side.

The reality is this precisely why they don't teach kids that are "too old" since the emotional attachment issue has already set in. In reality they need to be going the Darth Kreia route but that's a different discussion.

Luke should have never given him the option. Flat out.

We already have one canon and one semi-canon examples of Jedi leaving the order and seeming to not have any restrictions placed on them. Count Dooku and Ahsoka Tano.

Plus Luke, who was already a full grown ass adult when he became a Jedi and never even joined the Order, yet he's kicking people out for not following strict training protocols he never followed either and weren't even established into canon till the prequels. I always thought a lot of the Jedi and Sith rules that got practically retconned into existence were kinda silly, extreme and unworkable. Kicking out someone who's Force sensitive for having attachments is practically a guarantee they'll turn to the Dark Side eventually, which makes it a counterproductive rule.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: HappyDaze on February 14, 2022, 06:28:33 PM
Boba has said he has plenty of money. He's never claimed he has any new income. Perhaps he's filthy rich from his previous bounty hunting career and the investments he made (that matured in the five years he spent in the sarlacc).

So his master plan is to blow his retirement fund running what has to be an expensive AF operation (between paying upkeep for Jabba's Palace and constant Bacta Tank baths for him and everyone who does right by him, plus salaries for all the people that work for him, and ammo and stuff) as a full time charitable venture to clean up a crime infested spice running planet at the edge of civilization?
Criminal organizations are run on hope...just like rebellions.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: oggsmash on February 14, 2022, 06:48:00 PM
Boba has said he has plenty of money. He's never claimed he has any new income. Perhaps he's filthy rich from his previous bounty hunting career and the investments he made (that matured in the five years he spent in the sarlacc).

So his master plan is to blow his retirement fund running what has to be an expensive AF operation (between paying upkeep for Jabba's Palace and constant Bacta Tank baths for him and everyone who does right by him, plus salaries for all the people that work for him, and ammo and stuff) as a full time charitable venture to clean up a crime infested spice running planet at the edge of civilization?

  I think you are looking at this the wrong way.   Running charities has been working like dynamite for Bill Gates, I am sure Boba can figure out how to get those administration fees paid.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: oggsmash on February 14, 2022, 06:49:24 PM
As for what Luke could do? That's a good question - the LORE says the Jedi would not allow such rejects to leave Tython or they were forced into the "Service Corps" for the express purpose of doing "peace-corps" type stuff to prevent them from going Dark Side.

The reality is this precisely why they don't teach kids that are "too old" since the emotional attachment issue has already set in. In reality they need to be going the Darth Kreia route but that's a different discussion.

Luke should have never given him the option. Flat out.

We already have one canon and one semi-canon examples of Jedi leaving the order and seeming to not have any restrictions placed on them. Count Dooku and Ahsoka Tano.

Plus Luke, who was already a full grown ass adult when he became a Jedi and never even joined the Order, yet he's kicking people out for not following strict training protocols he never followed either and weren't even established into canon till the prequels. I always thought a lot of the Jedi and Sith rules that got practically retconned into existence were kinda silly, extreme and unworkable. Kicking out someone who's Force sensitive for having attachments is practically a guarantee they'll turn to the Dark Side eventually, which makes it a counterproductive rule.

  Alot of Jedi rules seem to get changed and ignored and re ruled on and exceptions made, etc all the time. Jedi rules are like tax codes.  Use on people you dont like, and ignore em for people you do like.  People turn to the darkside because jedi are up tight assholes who seem to want to hang around kids a little too much.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: jeff37923 on February 14, 2022, 07:26:13 PM
I enjoyed The Book of Boba Fett for what it was, filler. Disney has a lot of things planned for Star Wars and wasn't prepared for the success of The Mandolorian, so they had to put a few things out to act as filler before the much awaited Kenobi series (Visions and BOBF). This was rushed, but it was rushed by professionals who love Star Wars.

Also, it tied up a lot of loose ends. The love-hate relationship between Cad Bane and Boba Fett has existed since The Clone Wars series, fans wanted an end. Whatever happened to Jabba's criminal empire after ROTJ was also one of those fan questions, tying that together with whatever happened to Boba Fett was clever if a tad unimaginative (with the death of Darth Maul and Crimson Dawn in the control of Q'ira, it would have been interesting to see her take over from Jabba).

Yeah, you can pick it apart and the finale of The Mandalorian was a Hell of a lot better, but it is Star Wars. You should be having a shot and a beer while you watch it.
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Post by: Ratman_tf on February 14, 2022, 08:18:40 PM
  Alot of Jedi rules seem to get changed and ignored and re ruled on and exceptions made, etc all the time. Jedi rules are like tax codes.  Use on people you dont like, and ignore em for people you do like.  People turn to the darkside because jedi are up tight assholes who seem to want to hang around kids a little too much.

Sith aren't much better.  ;D

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I agree. The "rules" didn't seem very well thought out going into the prequels. I never did like the "too old to begin the training" to be more than a half-hearted excuse by Yoda as he was giving in to training Luke. It's like Lucas caught Tarkin Disease (https://where-there-had-been-darkness.blogspot.com/2013/03/a-long-time-ago-in-galaxy-with-six-year.html) somewhere along the way.
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Post by: Kiero on February 15, 2022, 05:26:52 AM
Plus Luke, who was already a full grown ass adult when he became a Jedi and never even joined the Order, yet he's kicking people out for not following strict training protocols he never followed either and weren't even established into canon till the prequels. I always thought a lot of the Jedi and Sith rules that got practically retconned into existence were kinda silly, extreme and unworkable. Kicking out someone who's Force sensitive for having attachments is practically a guarantee they'll turn to the Dark Side eventually, which makes it a counterproductive rule.

It makes no sense at all. He's starting a new Jedi order when there are going to be loads of prospectives out there who had normal lives before they realised they were Force sensitive. If he expects them all to simply cut out their former lives altogether, he'll have no students.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: oggsmash on February 15, 2022, 09:08:00 AM
  Alot of Jedi rules seem to get changed and ignored and re ruled on and exceptions made, etc all the time. Jedi rules are like tax codes.  Use on people you dont like, and ignore em for people you do like.  People turn to the darkside because jedi are up tight assholes who seem to want to hang around kids a little too much.

Sith aren't much better.  ;D

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I agree. The "rules" didn't seem very well thought out going into the prequels. I never did like the "too old to begin the training" to be more than a half-hearted excuse by Yoda as he was giving in to training Luke. It's like Lucas caught Tarkin Disease (https://where-there-had-been-darkness.blogspot.com/2013/03/a-long-time-ago-in-galaxy-with-six-year.html) somewhere along the way.

  Sith rules seem pretty much do what you want though.  I always felt their preferences ran to teens, seems using the hot emotions of puberty was the best time to turn them after a nice grooming process.  I am beginning to wonder what Star wars is really about.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: oggsmash on February 15, 2022, 09:25:31 AM
  Despite my derailing posts, I hope the next outing for Star wars media is to the fans liking.  Are there any plans regarding another movie?
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: tenbones on February 15, 2022, 10:41:45 AM
We already have one canon and one semi-canon examples of Jedi leaving the order and seeming to not have any restrictions placed on them. Count Dooku and Ahsoka Tano.

That's different since both of those characters actually passed the training. The danger for the Jedi is they believe their training sufficiently guards their followers from falling to the Dark Side. History is obviously ridiculously rife with contradictions to that belief - which is why I think both the Sith and Jedi got it wrong.

I'm not talking about "Grey Jedi", which I think is dumb as a title, I'm talking about the philosophical underpinnings of what the Jedi and Sith both espouse as the focal points of their respective orders in regards to the Force.

Where the Jedi espouse "non-attachment" in order to not color their connection to the Force is merely a dam against the real issue - emotional irrationality being confused with all emotion, as the path to the Dark Side. Clearly the mere existence of the Sith which focuses on passion being the fuel to wield the Force, shows this to be untrue. Somewhere in the middle are EU examples where there is a medium that denies both paths.

In both cases among the Sith and Jedi, those orders have crushed those outliers. The Sith consider it a heresy to cultivate passion using positive emotions, but there is no such mandate that it's not possible. In the Old Republic there are a couple of Sith that discovered this - effectively they were Sith that were Light Side.

And of course there is Darth Revan - someone that tempered the teachings of the Sith with the discipline of the Jedi - but instead of non-attachment his passions were disciplined and enabled him to act instead of react. All of this can be encapsulated in understanding Darth Kreia's philosophy from Knights of the Old Republic which gives tremendous nuance to all of this, and clearly defines Sith and Jedi philosophical goals and flaws (and why they both inevitably fail).

There's a couple of really good videos that outline all of this. I highly recommend this as a watch
https://youtu.be/-Z0S0Z8lUTg

Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: tenbones on February 15, 2022, 11:09:11 AM
Plus Luke, who was already a full grown ass adult when he became a Jedi and never even joined the Order, yet he's kicking people out for not following strict training protocols he never followed either and weren't even established into canon till the prequels. I always thought a lot of the Jedi and Sith rules that got practically retconned into existence were kinda silly, extreme and unworkable. Kicking out someone who's Force sensitive for having attachments is practically a guarantee they'll turn to the Dark Side eventually, which makes it a counterproductive rule.

This is all true. But the issue comes to the reality that if you don't have a philosophical underpinning then there is no difference between Sith or Jedi other than a name. When clearly there is some kind of difference that manifestly has shown even in the OT that the philosophy itself produces very specific effects as a result of those practices.

I'm not convinced that the retcons are not warranted as much as since Empire Strikes Back, where Yoda starts training Luke, he clearly explains to him how the Jedi *and* the Sith interact with the Force in order to use it. How accurate he was is probably reasonable to accept from the Jedi side... from the Sith side? Well that's where your "retcons" come in. I see them as less of a retcon than an obvious reflection to the philosophical traditions that Lucas was directly pulling from, directly or indirectly.

Sith philosophy is very much a Nietzschean construct - while Jedi philosophy is pulling deeply from Buddhist philosophy. The difference being the (over)emphasis of denial of attachment that the Jedi practice overtly (which is not really what Buddhism demands), whereas the Sith over emphasize the *easiest* passions to form their philosophy around - fear, anger, hatred. The natural outcome is precisely the horror-show of the old Sith Empire.

There is a clear gap in those philosophies that exists purely as an observation regardless whether we agree with whatever came out of the EU about it. The moment that Yoda defines the path to the Dark Side... the inevitable question is "why"? Most of these answers I believe are sufficiently answered in real-world philosophy, thought outside of the Old Republic material, most of those answers in the modern EU have been spotty at best.

The Old Republic material dives deep into it. And does a very respectful job of not only defining these differences, it reinforces the very concepts Lucas alludes to in both the OT and Prequel trilogies. Oddly the Prequel movies even acknowledges that Compassion unconditionally, is a tool of the Jedi - while there is *no* injunction for Sith to do the same.

But consider how hard that is to do for the untrained plebs, even in the real world. Then consider children capable of telekinetically throwing an mudhorn without that discipline...
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: VisionStorm on February 15, 2022, 06:37:44 PM
Sith philosophy is very much a Nietzschean construct - while Jedi philosophy is pulling deeply from Buddhist philosophy. The difference being the (over)emphasis of denial of attachment that the Jedi practice overtly (which is not really what Buddhism demands), whereas the Sith over emphasize the *easiest* passions to form their philosophy around - fear, anger, hatred. The natural outcome is precisely the horror-show of the old Sith Empire.

This is one of the things that bugs me about the way that Jedi philosophy is portrayed. I know that they're trying to make it kinda sorta like Eastern religious philosophy, but in Eastern religions (particularly Buddhism and other Dharmic religions) avoiding worldly attachments and such has more to do with trying to transcend desire and identification with the ego because those things create karmic bonds that drag you back into the cycle of reincarnation, when the focus of those religions is the break the cycle of rebirth in order to achieve unification with the infinite/universe/God (essentially the Force in SW parlance) and liberation from Samsara (the world/cycle of rebirth). But the emphasis is not avoiding any and all attachments per se, but trying to transcend desire and things that bind us to the world and keep us locked in the karmic rebirth cycle.

Plus there's also some element of monks IRL (across basically all religions that have them, even Christian) removing themselves from the world in order to dedicate their lives to quiet religious contemplation--BECAUSE THEY'RE FREAKING MONKS!

But in Jedi philosophy they generalize that into some arbitrary need for "no attachments, no emotion, etc." because...reasons, that makes almost no philosophical sense and is very surface level kinda sorta Eastern philosophy, but not quite, because its arbitrary and completely removed from that context. Then it creates all these logical issues with how that philosophy works in the story, and the pitfalls it generates trying to work around those arbitrary strictures Jedi are expected to follow.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: tenbones on February 15, 2022, 10:54:48 PM
Sith philosophy is very much a Nietzschean construct - while Jedi philosophy is pulling deeply from Buddhist philosophy. The difference being the (over)emphasis of denial of attachment that the Jedi practice overtly (which is not really what Buddhism demands), whereas the Sith over emphasize the *easiest* passions to form their philosophy around - fear, anger, hatred. The natural outcome is precisely the horror-show of the old Sith Empire.

This is one of the things that bugs me about the way that Jedi philosophy is portrayed. I know that they're trying to make it kinda sorta like Eastern religious philosophy, but in Eastern religions (particularly Buddhism and other Dharmic religions) avoiding worldly attachments and such has more to do with trying to transcend desire and identification with the ego because those things create karmic bonds that drag you back into the cycle of reincarnation, when the focus of those religions is the break the cycle of rebirth in order to achieve unification with the infinite/universe/God (essentially the Force in SW parlance) and liberation from Samsara (the world/cycle of rebirth). But the emphasis is not avoiding any and all attachments per se, but trying to transcend desire and things that bind us to the world and keep us locked in the karmic rebirth cycle.

Plus there's also some element of monks IRL (across basically all religions that have them, even Christian) removing themselves from the world in order to dedicate their lives to quiet religious contemplation--BECAUSE THEY'RE FREAKING MONKS!

But in Jedi philosophy they generalize that into some arbitrary need for "no attachments, no emotion, etc." because...reasons, that makes almost no philosophical sense and is very surface level kinda sorta Eastern philosophy, but not quite, because its arbitrary and completely removed from that context. Then it creates all these logical issues with how that philosophy works in the story, and the pitfalls it generates trying to work around those arbitrary strictures Jedi are expected to follow.

Take this with a grain of salt. The difference between Non-attachment in the Jedi-sense vs. the Buddhist sense is distinct in only *one* fashion - the Force is real in Star Wars.

As someone that has been practicing Zen meditation for 35+ years, it's a difficult thing to discuss with those that might not have much experience in contemplative practice (this may or may not include you). But I liken it to the Monkey-Mind that everyone has bouncing around in their heads moment-to-moment. The analogy is by direct experience is you (or anyone reading this) to quiet that mind down. To have no thought, any thought that arises is allowed to evaporate in the moment of awareness. It's a state that has to be practiced and cultivated - and for western minds in particular, its very difficult. The entirety of Buddhist practice centers around the disciplines that reinforce and train this awareness.

If you were to simply attach all the magical abilities of the Jedi to being able to be in that state, (non-dual consciousness where there is no difference between subject/object) that is the exact "flowery" description Yoda gives about "feeling the Force". It's not an emotion - it's a state. If that state has to be maintained, this is akin to Buddhist practice of constant experience of Satori (pardon my vernacular if you use a different one). Non-Buddhists would simply call it a "Flow-state."

Consider how difficult that is. The axis of one's functional resevoir of "connectedness" to the Force is the other issue. There are those that are inherently "strong" in the Force. This, to me, doesn't mean they can hit that Flow-State easier, it means that when the Force is active - whether by non-dual state or extreme emotional passion, the individual's connection might be that much stronger/weaker. You see this with the Skywalker family throughout the movies and other badass Jedi/Sith. (Their midichorian count is high! LOL ugh I velched a little when I said the M-word.)

Conversely the Sith cultivate their connection through their emotional state. Having strong emotional states is a very human instinct. The idea is that the method of the Force utilization begets itself to the lowest common denominator. The difficulty of maintain a non-dual state that the Jedi aspire to is more difficult, but "more powerful" as Yoda says. Whereas the Emotion-fueled Sith method is easy, especially if you cultivate a philosophy and society bent on Fear and Anger as well as other negative emotions that self-reinforce through the Force itself.

So you can see how these things explain themselves even if only using the OT trilogy whose roots were grounded in real-world ideas, but didn't try or need to get too technical about explaining them. That's part of the appeal. To those philosophy nerds like me, it still fits (minus the Midichlorians). The guys at BioWare understood this too when they made KotOR/SWToR because the entirety of their exploration of the Force in the game hinges on the distinctions not just between Jedi and Sith and their connection to the Force, but between the philosophies  that define and constrain them.

TL/DR - Grogu is doomed because he's opened the spigot to the Force without learning any self-discipline about not letting his feelings rule him. It's our inherent animal nature that makes that happen - and it will be his too which will fuel his Force use and slide him inevitably to the Dark Side.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 16, 2022, 02:38:08 AM
TL/DR - Grogu is doomed because he's opened the spigot to the Force without learning any self-discipline about not letting his feelings rule him. It's our inherent animal nature that makes that happen - and it will be his too which will fuel his Force use and slide him inevitably to the Dark Side.

I don't think it's inevitable. Just common enough for the Jedi to put rules in place to attempt to prevent their members from falling to the Dark Side.
A person could, theoretically, never encounter a situation where they are tempted to use the Force in an emotionally selfish way. Or perhaps they gain enough wisdom and perspective outside the Jedi teachings*, to resist the temptation.
It's the latter that may save Grogu, because the path of a Mandalorian, I expect, is going to be full of temptations.

*This is my bugaboo about "grey Jedi" thought. I think it's actually easier to tempt someone who thinks they've managed to find that "balance" outside the Jedi/Sith methods. It's a level of self-awareness that few people would actually manage to achieve.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: VisionStorm on February 17, 2022, 06:45:33 AM
Sith philosophy is very much a Nietzschean construct - while Jedi philosophy is pulling deeply from Buddhist philosophy. The difference being the (over)emphasis of denial of attachment that the Jedi practice overtly (which is not really what Buddhism demands), whereas the Sith over emphasize the *easiest* passions to form their philosophy around - fear, anger, hatred. The natural outcome is precisely the horror-show of the old Sith Empire.

This is one of the things that bugs me about the way that Jedi philosophy is portrayed. I know that they're trying to make it kinda sorta like Eastern religious philosophy, but in Eastern religions (particularly Buddhism and other Dharmic religions) avoiding worldly attachments and such has more to do with trying to transcend desire and identification with the ego because those things create karmic bonds that drag you back into the cycle of reincarnation, when the focus of those religions is the break the cycle of rebirth in order to achieve unification with the infinite/universe/God (essentially the Force in SW parlance) and liberation from Samsara (the world/cycle of rebirth). But the emphasis is not avoiding any and all attachments per se, but trying to transcend desire and things that bind us to the world and keep us locked in the karmic rebirth cycle.

Plus there's also some element of monks IRL (across basically all religions that have them, even Christian) removing themselves from the world in order to dedicate their lives to quiet religious contemplation--BECAUSE THEY'RE FREAKING MONKS!

But in Jedi philosophy they generalize that into some arbitrary need for "no attachments, no emotion, etc." because...reasons, that makes almost no philosophical sense and is very surface level kinda sorta Eastern philosophy, but not quite, because its arbitrary and completely removed from that context. Then it creates all these logical issues with how that philosophy works in the story, and the pitfalls it generates trying to work around those arbitrary strictures Jedi are expected to follow.

Take this with a grain of salt. The difference between Non-attachment in the Jedi-sense vs. the Buddhist sense is distinct in only *one* fashion - the Force is real in Star Wars.

As someone that has been practicing Zen meditation for 35+ years, it's a difficult thing to discuss with those that might not have much experience in contemplative practice (this may or may not include you). But I liken it to the Monkey-Mind that everyone has bouncing around in their heads moment-to-moment. The analogy is by direct experience is you (or anyone reading this) to quiet that mind down. To have no thought, any thought that arises is allowed to evaporate in the moment of awareness. It's a state that has to be practiced and cultivated - and for western minds in particular, its very difficult. The entirety of Buddhist practice centers around the disciplines that reinforce and train this awareness.

If you were to simply attach all the magical abilities of the Jedi to being able to be in that state, (non-dual consciousness where there is no difference between subject/object) that is the exact "flowery" description Yoda gives about "feeling the Force". It's not an emotion - it's a state. If that state has to be maintained, this is akin to Buddhist practice of constant experience of Satori (pardon my vernacular if you use a different one). Non-Buddhists would simply call it a "Flow-state."

Consider how difficult that is. The axis of one's functional resevoir of "connectedness" to the Force is the other issue. There are those that are inherently "strong" in the Force. This, to me, doesn't mean they can hit that Flow-State easier, it means that when the Force is active - whether by non-dual state or extreme emotional passion, the individual's connection might be that much stronger/weaker. You see this with the Skywalker family throughout the movies and other badass Jedi/Sith. (Their midichorian count is high! LOL ugh I velched a little when I said the M-word.)

Conversely the Sith cultivate their connection through their emotional state. Having strong emotional states is a very human instinct. The idea is that the method of the Force utilization begets itself to the lowest common denominator. The difficulty of maintain a non-dual state that the Jedi aspire to is more difficult, but "more powerful" as Yoda says. Whereas the Emotion-fueled Sith method is easy, especially if you cultivate a philosophy and society bent on Fear and Anger as well as other negative emotions that self-reinforce through the Force itself.

So you can see how these things explain themselves even if only using the OT trilogy whose roots were grounded in real-world ideas, but didn't try or need to get too technical about explaining them. That's part of the appeal. To those philosophy nerds like me, it still fits (minus the Midichlorians). The guys at BioWare understood this too when they made KotOR/SWToR because the entirety of their exploration of the Force in the game hinges on the distinctions not just between Jedi and Sith and their connection to the Force, but between the philosophies  that define and constrain them.

TL/DR - Grogu is doomed because he's opened the spigot to the Force without learning any self-discipline about not letting his feelings rule him. It's our inherent animal nature that makes that happen - and it will be his too which will fuel his Force use and slide him inevitably to the Dark Side.

Yeah, don't disagree with any of this--except maybe the implication that the Force doesn't exist in real life (I think something that deeply resembles it does exist, it's just that how much actual magic power you get from tapping into it is debatable). I just think that the OT handled the implied philosophy of the Jedi better and less problematically than the explicit version presented in the prequels.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on February 17, 2022, 09:35:11 PM
  Despite my derailing posts, I hope the next outing for Star wars media is to the fans liking.  Are there any plans regarding another movie?

There are many rumors circulating. I think part of it will depend on how quickly movie sales bounce back post-Covid.

Some of them have been cancelled, like Rian Johnson's proposed sequels, and a trilogy by the guys who were replaced by Ron Howard on Solo.

Patty Jenkins' Rogue Squadron movie is still moving forward AFAIK. I really hope they have a good script for that one.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: oggsmash on February 17, 2022, 09:51:24 PM
  Despite my derailing posts, I hope the next outing for Star wars media is to the fans liking.  Are there any plans regarding another movie?

There are many rumors circulating. I think part of it will depend on how quickly movie sales bounce back post-Covid.

Some of them have been cancelled, like Rian Johnson's proposed sequels, and a trilogy by the guys who were replaced by Ron Howard on Solo.

Patty Jenkins' Rogue Squadron movie is still moving forward AFAIK. I really hope they have a good script for that one.

  Honestly, from what I saw watching Spiderman, movie sales are fine.  People are just not going to show up for "filler" though.  Hollywood is going to have to try a little harder IMO.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on May 04, 2022, 08:04:26 AM
The "Making of" documentary for Book of Boba Fett dropped today for May the Fourth. It's worth checking out, just to see some of the things that were going through their minds, and what was done practically versus CGI.

I was surprised to learn that Cad Bane was mostly done with practical effects.

Also, the reactions of the actors and creatives are sometimes great. Apparently Ming-Na Wen is a huge Star Wars fan, and had to actively check herself from geeking out over stuff.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on May 04, 2022, 04:39:53 PM
The "Making of" documentary for Book of Boba Fett dropped today for May the Fourth. It's worth checking out, just to see some of the things that were going through their minds, and what was done practically versus CGI.

I was surprised to learn that Cad Bane was mostly done with practical effects.

I think high def movies and TV have a tendency to make practical effects look as clean and sharp as CGI, and that's where a lot of people get the impression that practical effects are CGI.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Lurkndog on May 04, 2022, 08:36:30 PM
The "Making of" documentary for Book of Boba Fett dropped today for May the Fourth. It's worth checking out, just to see some of the things that were going through their minds, and what was done practically versus CGI.

I was surprised to learn that Cad Bane was mostly done with practical effects.

I think high def movies and TV have a tendency to make practical effects look as clean and sharp as CGI, and that's where a lot of people get the impression that practical effects are CGI.

It wasn't so much the look of Cad Bane that made me think he was CGI, as the fact that he was always a CGI alien from when he was introduced on The Clone Wars.

Your point about good practical effects in HD looking like CGI is an interesting one. I think that good practical effects can look better than CGI. I'm thinking particularly of Ray Harryhausen's stop motion flying saucers in Earth vs. the Flying Saucers (1956), which in my opinion looked shockingly good, better than the UFOs in Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977). Well, except for the shot of the saucer hitting the capitol building, that one gives away the effect pretty badly.
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ratman_tf on May 04, 2022, 09:06:02 PM
The "Making of" documentary for Book of Boba Fett dropped today for May the Fourth. It's worth checking out, just to see some of the things that were going through their minds, and what was done practically versus CGI.

I was surprised to learn that Cad Bane was mostly done with practical effects.

I think high def movies and TV have a tendency to make practical effects look as clean and sharp as CGI, and that's where a lot of people get the impression that practical effects are CGI.

It wasn't so much the look of Cad Bane that made me think he was CGI, as the fact that he was always a CGI alien from when he was introduced on The Clone Wars.

Your point about good practical effects in HD looking like CGI is an interesting one. I think that good practical effects can look better than CGI.

I think good practical effects often look better than even good CGI, because there are zillions of imperfections that accrue from building a prop or model. CGI has to intentionally include that.



But they're getting there. I think if CGI teams focused on replicating the look of filming a practical model, instead of trying to make it look "real" that would go a long way. Include imperfections and the limitations of fliming a prop, that kind of thing.

 
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I'm thinking particularly of Ray Harryhausen's stop motion flying saucers in Earth vs. the Flying Saucers (1956), which in my opinion looked shockingly good, better than the UFOs in Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977). Well, except for the shot of the saucer hitting the capitol building, that one gives away the effect pretty badly.

:)
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Omega on May 06, 2022, 01:38:45 AM
The "Making of" documentary for Book of Boba Fett dropped today for May the Fourth. It's worth checking out, just to see some of the things that were going through their minds, and what was done practically versus CGI.

I was surprised to learn that Cad Bane was mostly done with practical effects.

I think high def movies and TV have a tendency to make practical effects look as clean and sharp as CGI, and that's where a lot of people get the impression that practical effects are CGI.

There are apparently people who cant tell a real worlf from a CGI wolf. One reviewer of a movie infamously proclaimed the wolves in some survival movie bad CGI. When they were real. And I've seen it for other movies too with this or that moron bitching about how fake the CGI is. When its not CG...
Title: Re: THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT (Delayed Spoilers)
Post by: Ruprecht on June 27, 2022, 12:41:47 AM
"Lets Not Fight In the Fortified Fortress" - Yes, let's let the retarded Vespa rider decide for the Daimyo and the Mandalorian to fight in the indefensible destroyed nightclub under the idiotic premise they were there "for the people". The fucking Pykes weren't there to KILL THE PEOPLE - they're coming to KILL YOU. So in what universe would Boba Fett and the Mandalorian take their strategic advice from a air-scooter riding idiot that lives in a back alley? DUMB
I enjoyed the final episode but I couldn't agree with this more. It was just a bad excuse for plot reasons. If you really want to have a fight in town and not defending the citadel they should have set it up so that the bad guys thought they were in the citadel which allowed them to hit the baddies from behind doing massive damage. Something like that might have justified not taking the fortified position.