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« Reply #165 on: August 29, 2008, 09:24:59 am »
You have visited my country, Engine ?

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« Reply #166 on: August 29, 2008, 09:40:44 am »
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You have visited my country, Engine ?

Oh, I wish! No, I've not been that far East [or West] yet. But years of National Geographic pictures of it speak volumes. Sure, there's that whole flooding problem, and sometimes the weather isn't the greatest, but you've got plants that eat animals, clear blue seas, a couple of UNESCO World Heritage Sites [Kinabalu and Gunung Mulu], a tropical rainforest, and it's the only place in the world you can find the Kinabalu Giant Red Leech!

Not enough lakes for my taste, though; I like about a 50/50 distribution of land to inland water, but what with the whole "surrounded by water" thing, I guess that's okay.
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« Reply #167 on: August 29, 2008, 10:08:37 am »
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I could indeed make the point without using any offensive words John, and if I have offended you I am genuinely sorry, as such was not my intent. However, sometimes the use of a jarring word helps to frame an argument in a way that polite banter simply cannot. I was attempting to demonstrate how vulgar and offensive the action in question would be.


The two problems that I have with that are that (A) the reaction that people have to those words is unpredictable and they can undermine your point as much as helping to emphasize it and (B) using those words in that sort of context generally gives me a creepy feeling about the person using them because it suggests a casual familiarity with those words.  I accept what you and David R were trying to do but I just think it can also undermine your messages.

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Simply saying 'a guy walking down the street saying offensive things' lacks an emotional punch.


"A guy walking down the street tossing out racial slurs," would do it, I think.  That's how I would write it and I think people are familiar enough with racial slurs to fill in the blanks and for that to have punch.  

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Anyway, I would not consider it an undue restriction of my free speech to not use that word, IF it really bothers you that much. Let me know. No promises, but I will make an effort. If it is not a major issue for you though, I'd rather just keep it as part of the arsenal, as it were.


Obviously this is a lightly moderated site so you can say whatever you want.  I'd simply remind you that words mean things, they can create emotional responses in others which you may not be able to predict, people will judge you by the words you use, and that liberty works best when practiced with responsibility rather than being abused.  In short, I don't think you are helping yourself by using those words.
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« Reply #168 on: August 29, 2008, 10:47:52 am »
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« Reply #169 on: August 29, 2008, 10:50:47 am »
A very wise man once said, "'Love' can be a much more offensive word than 'skullfucker,' depending on the context."
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« Reply #170 on: August 30, 2008, 07:08:43 am »
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Can someone please explain to me why it's acceptable to toss those terms around to make a point like this that could easily be made using other less inflammatory words?
It's a very effective way to hijack minority status and intimidate minority persons. You can say all your favorite racist phrases but plead disassociated bigotry if you get in trouble. You can interlope as a minority person and use their history and culture to further your goals. Best of all, you can create an atmosphere so hostile to minority persons, few will dare confront you, and those who do will be so insulted that you can talk circles around them. (And hey a couple of crazies might actually like that you're pretending to be them!)
 
I don't think it's acceptable, it's just that we don't have any black people here who are willing to challenge it. Contrast that with the state of the Catholic Church before and after I showed up. Or the state of Girls before and after Shewolf started tearing giblets out of people. Or, I suppose the state of Forge-foolery before and after Pundit sprung from the forehead of Zeus.
 
I mean, honestly, who's the blackest roleplayer we have here? Koltrar? Of course disassociated bigotry is acceptable here: THIS PLACE IS A FREAKING WEISSWURST-FEST!!!
 
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« Reply #171 on: August 30, 2008, 07:21:06 am »
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It's a very effective way to hijack minority status and intimidate minority persons. You can say all your favorite racist phrases but plead disassociated bigotry if you get in trouble. You can interlope as a minority person and use their history and culture to further your goals. Best of all, you can create an atmosphere so hostile to minority persons, few will dare confront you, and those who do will be so insulted that you can talk circles around them. (And hey a couple of crazies might actually like that you're pretending to be them!)


That's what I do, create hostile enviroments for minorities.

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« Reply #172 on: August 30, 2008, 07:38:00 am »
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I don't think it's acceptable, it's just that we don't have any black people here who are willing to challenge it.
I think that rather than worrying about words used in conversation - as distinct from words used abusively - you ought to worry about actions, actions still happening today. A century and a half on, African-Americans are still pickin' cotton down South. Of course, they're desperate criminals, apparently. Because we know that no-one in the US is ever imprisoned for non-violent crimes, or found guilty more often and sentenced for longer because they're male, poor, black or nearly retarded or anything like that. Or you could think about how New Orleans, three years on, still has 72,000 vacant or ruined houses - in the black districts, of course. Or maybe how your poorest people are so neglected by you and your government that even fuckin' Venezuela is giving heating oil aid to them.

Actions speak louder than words - both good and bad actions. We worry more about words to excuse our lack of action.
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« Reply #173 on: August 30, 2008, 07:56:12 am »
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That's what I do, create hostile enviroments for minorities.


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« Reply #174 on: August 30, 2008, 07:57:38 am »
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I mean, honestly, who's the blackest roleplayer we have here? Koltar? Of course disassociated bigotry is acceptable here: THIS PLACE IS A FREAKING WEISSWURST-FEST!!!
 
Edit: :)


Okay, corrected your spelling. (and I really did, unlike the usual reason for saying that)


Malleus Arianorum, I believe there are at least 2 posters on this forum who are either African-American or black - they just don't announce it when they post or discuss things. Also, their avatars are borrowed images or cartoon-type caricatures.


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« Reply #175 on: August 30, 2008, 08:49:39 am »
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My understanding is that we topic banned him, and in fact banned him from off topic all together. Therefore, yes, we silenced his opinions we didn't like.


No, we silenced him because he wouldn't control his activity, not his speech. He was banned from off-topic because he wouldn't stop spamming that board with threads about his islamophobia and crap on the threads of others with the same, and didn't cut down when asked to.
He could just as easily have been posting dozens of threads about his hatred of citrus fruits; it wasn't his choice of topic that got him sanctioned, it was his obsessive behaviour and the disruption it was causing to the functioning of off-topic as a subforum.

Gleichman, for example, seems to have some concerns about Islam, but he doesn't start six threads a day on the subject, or post crude anti-islamic pictures on other people's threads.  Hence he's had no problem.

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« Reply #176 on: August 30, 2008, 09:31:48 am »
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I think that rather than worrying about words used in conversation - as distinct from words used abusively - you ought to worry about actions, actions still happening today.
Obviously actions speak louder, but I was responding to John's question which was about words.
 
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A century and a half on, African-Americans are still pickin' cotton down South. Of course, they're desperate criminals, apparently. Because we know that no-one in the US is ever imprisoned for non-violent crimes, or found guilty more often and sentenced for longer because they're male, poor, black or nearly retarded or anything like that. Or you could think about how New Orleans, three years on, still has 72,000 vacant or ruined houses - in the black districts, of course. Or maybe how your poorest people are so neglected by you and your government that even fuckin' Venezuela is giving heating oil aid to them.
I'm no Mother Theresa but I went without Christmas presents my whole life so I could exchange them for African American dolls and action figures and ship them to the poor kids in the South. The only exceptions were a toy stage coach and a miniature hockey foosball table that were from some unknown store in Canada and so on, but I'd rather not play "some of my best friends are..." online. You're correct that I haven't lifted them out of dire poverty yet so make of that what you will.
 
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My actions are inaudiable online. The "inaction" that causes me to post here is not one of shame but one of opportunity. Sometimes I have a computer and some time to kill. ;)
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« Reply #177 on: August 30, 2008, 10:00:08 am »
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Okay, corrected your spelling. (and I really did, unlike the usual reason for saying that)
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« Reply #178 on: August 30, 2008, 11:53:03 am »
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I mean, honestly, who's the blackest roleplayer we have here? Koltrar? Of course disassociated bigotry is acceptable here: THIS PLACE IS A FREAKING WEISSWURST-FEST!!!
 
Edit: :)


I am black in Alabama. Does that count?

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« Reply #179 on: August 30, 2008, 12:33:21 pm »
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I think that rather than worrying about words used in conversation - as distinct from words used abusively - you ought to worry about actions, actions still happening today. A century and a half on, African-Americans are still pickin' cotton down South. Of course, they're desperate criminals, apparently. Because we know that no-one in the US is ever imprisoned for non-violent crimes, or found guilty more often and sentenced for longer because they're male, poor, black or nearly retarded or anything like that. Or you could think about how New Orleans, three years on, still has 72,000 vacant or ruined houses - in the black districts, of course. Or maybe how your poorest people are so neglected by you and your government that even fuckin' Venezuela is giving heating oil aid to them.

Actions speak louder than words - both good and bad actions. We worry more about words to excuse our lack of action.


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