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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2008, 10:57:39 PM »
Sorry, dude, I think it posts here.
You are posting in a troll thread.

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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2008, 10:57:44 PM »
Kellri - he sounds like a flake.

 Don't sweat it.

Besides - 6th graders....Good indoctrination job there.
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2008, 10:58:36 PM »
Wait, it's online!!!!

Okay that really is kind of beyond the pale.  I mean how much OOC chatter is there online?

Or is it on a site like this one and you've had verbal fights with him or others on other threads?  That I could see.
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2008, 11:05:18 PM »
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Sorry, dude, I think it posts here.


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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2008, 11:28:22 PM »
I hope no one who complained in this thread comes here and is shocked about reactions to different world views....
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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2008, 11:37:10 PM »
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No, this particular American guy has decided I'm a shill for a 'murderous communist regime' and an 'athiest'.
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« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2008, 12:05:15 AM »
I absolutely refuse to play RaHoWa with Nazis, F.A.T.A.L. with anal rapists, or Vampire with Goths.
 
But I digress, as I have "religious" views that are pretty much far left and to some, "questionable", I have found that gaming with Christians to be a fairly difficult endeavor. It's a matter of tact, in which I have very little. So the game becomes, "How do I play this character without pissing everybody off.", which eventually becomes a strain. Not that I only play characters that are involved in F.A.T.A.L. like activities, but I do occasionally play characters with one or more gfs, and looking for more, etc.
 
Which reminds me, I think I wanna play as an abortion doc in UnHallowed Metropolis.
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« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2008, 12:08:27 AM »
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No, this isn't in Vietnam, it's an online thing. Expats couldn't afford to be that intolerant. My regular IRL gaming group are all 6th grade Korean kids - they're pretty much stuck with me. No, this particular American guy has decided I'm a shill for a 'murderous communist regime' and an 'athiest'. Neither could be farther from the truth (are there even any communists left, surely not in VN) but don't tell him that.
Well, that makes a bit more sense then.  Still, weird reaction.

Unless you are a shill.  ;)
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« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2008, 12:24:31 AM »
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Today I had a first in my gaming life...I was told by another gamer that I wouldn't be welcome in his gaming group because 'these days he only games with folks who share his world view'. I had to do a double-take. No, he wasn't saying we have different gaming preferences (we're both 1st edition Gamma Worlders) or that I'm an asshole (which I could understand and respect if he thought as much). But no, after clarification, he was saying he doesn't roll with anyone who has different religious & political beliefs. That really burns me up - personally, l'd game with the Taliban if they brought snacks and tried to be civil. So, anybody else seen this kind of intolerant asshattery in gaming?


Hmm, I don't know if this is the same thing but I have had to kick people out because of their "world view" twice. The first was a fervent Christian who played for about 8 sessions or so before he began to insistently "convert" other people's characters. He then moved up to the players. I tried to ask him to keep it out but then the group insisted he go. I must say, I was not too said.

The second was a guy who was a very green oriented guy. He was really cool for about a year then something went off the rails. It started with him going off game with rants about how the technologies in my Traveller game were not green eco-friendly. A few sessions later he started threatening the players with slashing the tires on the "carbon-puke producers". He was gone but good.

So, yeah, if your world view gets in the way of the game, I would ask you to leave. It does not sound like that is the case here but it can happen and believe me, the number of players who bring strangeness to the table is often mind boggling.

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« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2008, 12:27:15 AM »
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lPeople are just like that. They tend to instinctively segregate themselves into comfortable social groups. Many psychological experiments have shown this result
Yes and no.

There have been lots of studies on intimate relationships, but not many on friendships. I do recall there was one study where they said, "well, what we really need is some situation where all the people meet up and nobody knows each-other, we could then see who they become friends with, and what determines whether or not they become friends."

So they looked at Army basic training. And that really made them scratch their heads, because they couldn't find anything which determined friendship, not political beliefs, introvert/extrovert, nothing like that. The one correlation was... whether their surnames were close in the alphabet. And that was really puzzling to them, until they realised that the Army assigned them bunks and rooms in alphabetical order.

In order words, people became friends with people who happened to be near them and who they saw all the time, and were not so likely to be friends with some guy they hardly ever saw.

Most people, I think, are fairly tolerant, and will try to get along with others. This is perhaps less so than it used to be. David Wong writes about this, basically saying that our technology and lifestyle lets us filter people out based on trivialities - a bit like the way on Seinfeld he used to dump girls after a date or two because they wore the same dress all the time or had a flinty voice or something. Because we can filter people out so easily, we often don't take the time to get to know them.

The guys in the Army, they're stuck with the same seven or so guys in their room for thirteen weeks, so they fucking well better get to like them or life will be miserable. But some geek sitting at his computer can just tell people to fuck off and never speak to them again because they liked the Star Wars prequels or some trivial shit like that.

So I think Kellri's associates are being intolerant fucksticks mostly because, like anyone else online, they can be.
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« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2008, 12:31:13 AM »
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The second was a guy who was a very green oriented guy.[...] A few sessions later he started threatening the players with slashing the tires on the "carbon-puke producers". He was gone but good.
That's awesome! As in the "awesome stupid" way. I was just saying to a gamer friend yesterday that while I am greenish, action heroes are not very green, because being an action hero is all about killing people and blowing shit up, but that's all good. There's fantasy, and then there's reality, it's not good to have them overlap a lot. :)
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« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2008, 12:39:51 AM »
I sort of understand the idea of 'I want to play with friends, and people who don't share my worldview annoy me and aren't friends.'

But then, I find someone whose worldview is such that those who don't share it piss him off to be an asshole whose views on friendship are unacceptable to me.

Me, I game with people far to the right, people far to the left, and have gamed with people of all sorts. The big thing, I think, is to shut the fuck up about CAUSE and pass the snacks.

Doesn't matter what CAUSE is; either I agree and I'm tired of discussing it because I'm here to game, or I disagree and I'm not really interested in yet another vent about it because I'm here to game.


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« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2008, 03:29:16 AM »
It doesnt seem to be your case, but i do believe that in practice, different beliefs can turn a player away from a party.

If a player has to hear during the downtime, food break or even on some small talk, the rest of the players bashing on a political/religious figure he likes. Can't or wont enjoy arguing with everyone else, it will be unconfortable.

If its a player in question that likes to give some comments outloud on the bash side, even when with comedy in mind, eventually it can tire the other players out. Though at that point, it would make much sense to first ask the player to refrain from talking on the subject and stick to gaming or leave the table.

So basically, yeah. I can see beliefs breaking a player apart from a party.
 

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« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2008, 03:52:54 AM »
I'm more concerned about the actions of my fellow players than their beliefs, but one of the guys I play with is hostile to the idea of bringing anyone who's overtly religious to the table. He might tolerate some irreligious "I'm spiritual" type, but only just. He's the GM though, and a pal, and I don't really hang around with too many deeply religious people (and none who also happen to game) anyhow, so it hasn't been an issue in practice.
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« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2008, 04:53:52 AM »
No, it ain't gleichman or anybody else on the RPGsite.

Y'know, I love this site because of the genuine tolerance you find here, as opposed to the 'bait-ignore-or-banhammer' tolerance on found on most other gaming sites. Here I can feel free to flame somebody on an OT thread and turn around and cooperatively discuss game design with the same guy on another. What's more democratic than that?

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Because we can filter people out so easily, we often don't take the time to get to know them.

Excellent point. If anything, I think the Internet is potentially damaging to Western democracy because it makes polarizing attitudes so much easier to enforce and encourages 'sticking with your own kind'. IRL, I might call somebody like gleichman a right-wing cunt but I'd also want to go out and drink a beer together, maybe find out what's driving the guy and reach some common ground (we both love motorcycles??). Online it's just too easy to flame someone, hold a grudge, and not worry about any sort of rational relationship or personal accountability. If that's my hippy-dippy deadhead side coming out, so be it, we're all still human.
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