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Terminal List. It's not "woke" nor "anti-woke". Its just apolitical.

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Reckall:

--- Quote from: Wntrlnd on August 09, 2022, 07:38:33 PM ---I think he raises a point. Why is it impossible to just be neutral? To just make a good movie (or series) nowadays without (having to) inject politics in it.

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I remember the first prep-talk I was given when I started writing comic books professionally. Basically, it is impossible not to be "political" - as the choices that your characters make belong, unavoidably, to a world view. What one should avoid is to be "partitical" (I don't know if this word exists in English or has the same meaning of the Italian one. Basically, it means "You should not follow the ideology of a specific party, even less mention it.")

Batman doesn't kill. Recently we saw exceptions, but that's the core of his original beliefs. That's a political statement by Batman. However, "Batman", the comic book, is not "anti-death penalty". Batman "brings to justice" people that can very well end up on the chair. Also, Batman operates outside the law. Long, academical, debates over the decades still haven't decided if Batman is an anarchist (after all he resents the "forced law and order" brought by Superman) or a straight up fascist. The latter ideas, combined, would define a character that embraces "a mostly leftist ideology via anarcho-fascist methods".

If you find the above funny, that's the point. Batman, the comic book, is successful (if properly written) because everybody finds something to like in it. It isn't preachy and it doesn't actually embrace a ideology - even if Batman doesn't kill. Being political is unavoidable, being honest is a different thing.

Another example is Tom Clancy - a idol of the conservatives. His Jack Ryan was pro-expanding CIA and other intelligence agencies. He was against defunding the Army after the Soviet Union folded. He is against "what the Press has become". He thinks that a free internet is a menace for the national security. And no one writes military hardware porn like Tom Clancy.

And yet Jack Ryan was anti-abortion. He said that the actions of Muslim terrorist should not reflect the Muslim as a whole (Clancy himself said the same right after 9/11). When, as President, Ryan faces a pandemic started by a bio-attack, he imposes a lockdown even if he is clearly told that it is unconstitutional (with chapter and verse for everyone to check).

The point that Clancy openly makes is that Jack Ryan always registered himself as "independent" so to not be tied to the ideology of a specific party (something that causes chaos in the Press when Ryan becomes President ;D). Yes, Clancy's inclinations were conservative, but his main character (who is basically Clancy that idealises himself) thinks with his head. His decisions and ideals are political, you can't escape this, but Ryan follows his head, not a party. Ha stumbles and falls badly. Clancy very often even puts sane dissenting voices in his books - voices who express a motivated dissent, not a "token I disagree with the hero because I'm stupid".

Of course you can have a plot that marries more one side of the Aisle than the other. "24", "Homeland" and the like cause screeches among the woke. But these shows still succeed because a certain world view is presented as imperfect and, in many occurrences, flawed. True, at the end no one will ever say that "Homeland" is woke (The Washington Post rained fire over it ::)) Interestingly enough, it was the favored show of both Barak Obama and our Hillary...

tl;dr No, you can't have "neutrality" or be "apolitical". What you can be is to be honest in your presentation. Trying to please everybody pleases nobody. Trying to offend nobody offends everybody.

BoxCrayonTales:

--- Quote from: Reckall on August 15, 2022, 10:17:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: Wntrlnd on August 09, 2022, 07:38:33 PM ---I think he raises a point. Why is it impossible to just be neutral? To just make a good movie (or series) nowadays without (having to) inject politics in it.

--- End quote ---

I remember the first prep-talk I was given when I started writing comic books professionally. Basically, it is impossible not to be "political" - as the choices that your characters make belong, unavoidably, to a world view. What one should avoid is to be "partitical" (I don't know if this word exists in English or has the same meaning of the Italian one. Basically, it means "You should not follow the ideology of a specific party, even less mention it.")

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The word you're looking for is "partisan." https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/partisan#Etymology_1

And yes, a lot of people criticizing wokeness forget this and it drives my inner pedant nuts. It's basically impossible not to be political, all art is political, etc but political isn't the same as partisan.

Unfortunately, the woke make a similar mistake and believe that it's impossible not to be partisan. You're either with them or against them. If you're against them, then they want you to be executed for treason on the White House lawn.

As we have seen throughout history, shouts of "kill the infidels!" is not a sign of healthy democracy. In a healthy democracy, you don't silence your political opponents by killing them. You debate and you compromise.

Lurkndog:
I'm liking it so far, 3 episodes in.

Though I gotta say, I wish Chris Pratt would do some gonzo comedy. Like something Bill Murray would have done back in the day.

I guess Guardians of the Galaxy 3 is done filming by now.

Ruprecht:

--- Quote from: Lurkndog on August 18, 2022, 10:36:51 PM ---Though I gotta say, I wish Chris Pratt would do some gonzo comedy. Like something Bill Murray would have done back in the day.

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I agree, there aren't enough comedic actors and its a shame when they feel the need to be serious (and feel they need to do so to get respect). Murray made his Razors Edge and got it out of his system, hopefully Pratt will return to comedy before long.

Lurkndog:

--- Quote from: Ruprecht on August 18, 2022, 10:40:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lurkndog on August 18, 2022, 10:36:51 PM ---Though I gotta say, I wish Chris Pratt would do some gonzo comedy. Like something Bill Murray would have done back in the day.

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I agree, there aren't enough comedic actors and its a shame when they feel the need to be serious (and feel they need to do so to get respect). Murray made his Razors Edge and got it out of his system, hopefully Pratt will return to comedy before long.

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Well, he's going to be in something called Cowboy Ninja Viking. I would hope that's a comedy.

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