https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/11/arts/superman-comes-out.html
(https://www.aconsciousrethink.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/boring-boyfriend-girlfriend.jpg)
Perfect image. Like il do them a favor:
Every character ever is gay, bisexual, lesbian, tranny, mexican, and whatever other demographic is popular.
Il just assume they changed it to be the case for every character ever and il just fucking move on from that. Let your idea rot.
Sad thing is, I like the idea of Superman having a son, and going through the process of passing on the torch. Dunno if the idea will stick, or get retconned. Probably retconned since it looks like they're using the son as a boring, activism mouthpiece instead of imbuing him with actual character.
Outrage marketi...Zzzzz.
Simple reality that I'm not going to ever buy Marvel or DC properties again. I'm purchasing manga and comics from the ComicsGate guys, you know, people who want to make comics that are fun and entertaining and not pushing hatred.
Quote from: Zelen on October 11, 2021, 10:04:38 PMI'm purchasing manga and comics from the ComicsGate guys,
Link your favorites! What do you recommend?
Kids in my first grade class knew Superman was Gay 45 years ago. What are you on about?
Quote from: David Johansen on October 12, 2021, 02:47:50 AM
Kids in my first grade class knew Superman was Gay 45 years ago. What are you on about?
What are you on about? This is the new Superman, Clark's son. He didn't even exist 45 years ago.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on October 12, 2021, 07:02:14 AM
Quote from: David Johansen on October 12, 2021, 02:47:50 AM
Kids in my first grade class knew Superman was Gay 45 years ago. What are you on about?
What are you on about? This is the new Superman, Clark's son. He didn't even exist 45 years ago.
You know, the juvenile way kids call things that they don't like "gay"
Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 12, 2021, 09:03:37 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on October 12, 2021, 07:02:14 AM
Quote from: David Johansen on October 12, 2021, 02:47:50 AM
Kids in my first grade class knew Superman was Gay 45 years ago. What are you on about?
What are you on about? This is the new Superman, Clark's son. He didn't even exist 45 years ago.
You know, the juvenile way kids call things that they don't like "gay"
Ah! Well, that's faggy.
Oh hey, look at that, more things for me to not spend money on.
Goodness. No wonder I can afford that upcoming vacation in Ireland.
Quote from: Spinachcat on October 11, 2021, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Zelen on October 11, 2021, 10:04:38 PMI'm purchasing manga and comics from the ComicsGate guys,
Link your favorites! What do you recommend?
- Jawbreakers (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jawbreakers-lost-souls-graphic-novel#/)
- Cyberfrog (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ethan-van-sciver-s-cyberfrog-2-rekt-planet#/)
- Starblades (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/starblades-vol-one#)
- Godlike (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/godlike-the-romulus-saga#/)
Really digging the explosion of talent and fresh ideas, faces, and stories. Many industry vets have been making the jump over the fence too.
Quote from: Zelen on October 12, 2021, 08:36:06 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat on October 11, 2021, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Zelen on October 11, 2021, 10:04:38 PMI'm purchasing manga and comics from the ComicsGate guys,
Link your favorites! What do you recommend?
- Jawbreakers (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jawbreakers-lost-souls-graphic-novel#/)
- Cyberfrog (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ethan-van-sciver-s-cyberfrog-2-rekt-planet#/)
- Starblades (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/starblades-vol-one#)
- Godlike (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/godlike-the-romulus-saga#/)
Really digging the explosion of talent and fresh ideas, faces, and stories. Many industry vets have been making the jump over the fence too.
In addition to those I'll add
- Kamen America (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ninjaink/kamen-america-volume-4-and-omnibus)
- Kids & Monsters (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kids-monsters/x/18550526#/)
- Wraith of God (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/aaron-lopresti-s-wraith-of-god-graphic-novel/x/18550526#/)
- Alien Alamo (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/graham-nolan-s-alien-alamo/x/18550526#/)
- The Cryptinals (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-cryptidnals--2/x/18550526#/)
- FATL (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fatl/x/18550526#/)
- Octopus Cowboy (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/octopus-cowboy-1/x/18550526#/)
Quote from: rgalex on October 13, 2021, 09:16:02 AM
In addition to those I'll add
- Kamen America (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ninjaink/kamen-america-volume-4-and-omnibus)
- Kids & Monsters (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kids-monsters/x/18550526#/)
- Wraith of God (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/aaron-lopresti-s-wraith-of-god-graphic-novel/x/18550526#/)
- Alien Alamo (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/graham-nolan-s-alien-alamo/x/18550526#/)
- The Cryptinals (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-cryptidnals--2/x/18550526#/)
- FATL (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fatl/x/18550526#/)
- Octopus Cowboy (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/octopus-cowboy-1/x/18550526#/)
Very cool, was not aware of some of these, looks like some new stuff to pick up!
Quote from: rgalex on October 13, 2021, 09:16:02 AM
Quote from: Zelen on October 12, 2021, 08:36:06 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat on October 11, 2021, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Zelen on October 11, 2021, 10:04:38 PMI'm purchasing manga and comics from the ComicsGate guys,
Link your favorites! What do you recommend?
- Jawbreakers (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jawbreakers-lost-souls-graphic-novel#/)
- Cyberfrog (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ethan-van-sciver-s-cyberfrog-2-rekt-planet#/)
- Starblades (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/starblades-vol-one#)
- Godlike (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/godlike-the-romulus-saga#/)
Really digging the explosion of talent and fresh ideas, faces, and stories. Many industry vets have been making the jump over the fence too.
In addition to those I'll add
- Kamen America (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ninjaink/kamen-america-volume-4-and-omnibus)
- Kids & Monsters (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kids-monsters/x/18550526#/)
- Wraith of God (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/aaron-lopresti-s-wraith-of-god-graphic-novel/x/18550526#/)
- Alien Alamo (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/graham-nolan-s-alien-alamo/x/18550526#/)
- The Cryptinals (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-cryptidnals--2/x/18550526#/)
- FATL (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fatl/x/18550526#/)
- Octopus Cowboy (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/octopus-cowboy-1/x/18550526#/)
IMHO Cyberfrog is shit and it was shit when he first published it (still got the number 1 I think, never bought the next issues)
I'll add my vote for Kamen America, it's great fun.
And will add Alterna Comics https://www.alternacomics.com/ (https://www.alternacomics.com/) haven't read all of theirs but what I have is good-great, and their comics are newsprint and dirt cheap too.
A superhero came out of the closet back around 1991. So who is surprised by this now? The SJWs have zero reason to stop.
Quote from: DragonBane on November 08, 2021, 07:43:50 PM
A superhero came out of the closet back around 1991. So who is surprised by this now? The SJWs have zero reason to stop.
What if all metas were gay? Batman would be the only straight member of the core Justice League.
If you could find a writer who wouldn't turn it into political propaganda, that could make a very interesting Elseworlds story.
Try to make that happen.
I saw the cover art where he protests climate change. As opposed to just throwing all the fossil fuels into space. And the companies wonder why comic books are failing.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on November 09, 2021, 10:57:08 AMAs opposed to just throwing all the fossil fuels into space.
Because it makes him a moronic activist instead of a supervillian that would kill the majority of the worlds population overnight if he did that. We are yet to discover a fuelsource that doesn't generate somekind of waste and actually provides the energy we require. Solar Power and Wind cannot be said sources on a base physics level (and they require fossil fuels anyway).
Real world issues in a universe of fantasy magic and Sci fi tech are dumb.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on November 09, 2021, 04:07:24 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on November 09, 2021, 10:57:08 AMAs opposed to just throwing all the fossil fuels into space.
Because it makes him a moronic activist instead of a supervillian that would kill the majority of the worlds population overnight if he did that. We are yet to discover a fuelsource that doesn't generate somekind of waste and actually provides the energy we require. Solar Power and Wind cannot be said sources on a base physics level (and they require fossil fuels anyway).
Real world issues in a universe of fantasy magic and Sci fi tech are dumb.
Since we're talking about Superman, we know that world already has an extraordinary means of converting solar energy into mechanical energy. Superman could personally power the world if he's such a selfless being.
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 09, 2021, 04:16:27 PM
Since we're talking about Superman.
I remember a comic where Superman refused to endorse any (fake for the comic) political candidate and said that he suggests other superheroes don't either because he didn't see his opinion in any way above a normal persons. Just because he was good at punching monsters, didn't make him good leadership selection material.
Superhero activists are a stupid idea.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on November 09, 2021, 05:22:40 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 09, 2021, 04:16:27 PM
Since we're talking about Superman.
I remember a comic where Superman refused to endorse any (fake for the comic) political candidate and said that he suggests other superheroes don't either because he didn't see his opinion in any way above a normal persons. Just because he was good at punching monsters, didn't make him good leadership selection material.
Superhero activists are a stupid idea.
That doesn't mean he couldn't hand-crank a turbine or blow his breath at a wind farm and generate enough power for the world.
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 09, 2021, 05:24:49 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on November 09, 2021, 05:22:40 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 09, 2021, 04:16:27 PM
Since we're talking about Superman.
I remember a comic where Superman refused to endorse any (fake for the comic) political candidate and said that he suggests other superheroes don't either because he didn't see his opinion in any way above a normal persons. Just because he was good at punching monsters, didn't make him good leadership selection material.
Superhero activists are a stupid idea.
That doesn't mean he couldn't hand-crank a turbine or blow his breath at a wind farm and generate enough power for the world.
There is the precedent of Flash's treadmill. I like the idea of a super-fit activist Superman who's saving the world by working out at the gym 24/7.
Wait... have we circled back to gay Superman?
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on November 09, 2021, 10:57:08 AM
I saw the cover art where he protests climate change. As opposed to just throwing all the fossil fuels into space. And the companies wonder why comic books are failing.
Is that the picture that has the person holding the "There is no Earth B" sign?
Because there aren't already alien species that the DC Earth knows about that come from other habitable worlds. Or, you know, the fact that there is a multiverse with at least 51 other Earths. ::)
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on November 09, 2021, 04:07:24 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on November 09, 2021, 10:57:08 AMAs opposed to just throwing all the fossil fuels into space.
Because it makes him a moronic activist instead of a supervillian that would kill the majority of the worlds population overnight if he did that. We are yet to discover a fuelsource that doesn't generate somekind of waste and actually provides the energy we require. Solar Power and Wind cannot be said sources on a base physics level (and they require fossil fuels anyway).
Real world issues in a universe of fantasy magic and Sci fi tech are dumb.
Thorium reactors seem promising. All that whining about "we can't allow nuclear proliferation" is stupid. We've already let the genie out of the bottle and there's no way we can put it back in. Nuclear disarmament is infeasible, because whoever has nukes can trivially extort anyone who doesn't. Human nature being what it is, you can guess the results.
But I digress.
Surely Superman has better ways to convince the world to give up fossil fuels than to impotently hold up a sign?
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on November 10, 2021, 01:24:51 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on November 09, 2021, 04:07:24 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on November 09, 2021, 10:57:08 AMAs opposed to just throwing all the fossil fuels into space.
Because it makes him a moronic activist instead of a supervillian that would kill the majority of the worlds population overnight if he did that. We are yet to discover a fuelsource that doesn't generate somekind of waste and actually provides the energy we require. Solar Power and Wind cannot be said sources on a base physics level (and they require fossil fuels anyway).
Real world issues in a universe of fantasy magic and Sci fi tech are dumb.
Thorium reactors seem promising. All that whining about "we can't allow nuclear proliferation" is stupid. We've already let the genie out of the bottle and there's no way we can put it back in. Nuclear disarmament is infeasible, because whoever has nukes can trivially extort anyone who doesn't. Human nature being what it is, you can guess the results.
But I digress.
Surely Superman has better ways to convince the world to give up fossil fuels than to impotently hold up a sign?
Technology marches on. It isn't impossible that we could find a counter to nuclear weapons.
Back in the 80's, when Reagan started pushing for the Strategic Defense Initiative, the Russians offered ridiculous, unprecedented concessions to keep it from being developed. Because a space-based anti-ICBM system would immediately pull most of their teeth. If your big stick -- nukes -- can't be used because they get zapped in the atmosphere, they're not really much use.
(Yes, I know about suitcase nukes and weapons snuck into ports. Those are issues, but it can be a hell of a lot harder to get your nuke to the right place via shipping container.)
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on November 10, 2021, 01:24:51 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on November 09, 2021, 04:07:24 PM
We are yet to discover a fuelsource that doesn't generate somekind of waste and actually provides the energy we require. Solar Power and Wind cannot be said sources on a base physics level (and they require fossil fuels anyway).
Thorium reactors seem promising. All that whining about "we can't allow nuclear proliferation" is stupid. We've already let the genie out of the bottle and there's no way we can put it back in. Nuclear disarmament is infeasible, because whoever has nukes can trivially extort anyone who doesn't. Human nature being what it is, you can guess the results.
Uranium, plutonium, and thorium are all great sources.
As far as proliferation of nuclear weapons -- civilian nuclear power has been a great way to prevent this. In practice, there are a number of countries that have disarmed despite previously having nuclear weapons, though - namely South Africa, Belarus, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan. The former Soviet nuclear stockpile has by now mostly been converted into fuel for civilian reactors.
I mean in the DCU Superman could just ask Hal for the secrets of fission from one of his alien friends or something. Or ask Zatanna if they could borrow some fire elementals to power a turbine.
Discussing climate change in Superhero comics is dumb.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on November 09, 2021, 05:22:40 PM
I remember a comic where Superman refused to endorse any (fake for the comic) political candidate and said that he suggests other superheroes don't either because he didn't see his opinion in any way above a normal persons. Just because he was good at punching monsters, didn't make him good leadership selection material.
Superhero activists are a stupid idea.
On the one hand, I agree that his superpowers don't make him good leadership material. On the other hand, I think he
is good leadership material as he is frequently portrayed - not because of his powers, but because of his strength of character.
On a fictional consistency level, I think it's kind of stupid for superheroes to restrict themselves to only fighting criminals, when they could massively change the world for the better. But in the long term, superhero comics want the world to stay recognizable to readers, so they contrive things so that despite massive changes compared to reality, the wider world is all generally the same.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on November 09, 2021, 05:22:40 PM
Superhero activists are a stupid idea.
It demonstrates really poor imagination & writing skill if authors are not able to present certain types of real-world concerns they might have in a fictionalized way without directly invoking those problems in their work.
Writing superhero comics means dealing with superhero genre tropes. If you don't like those, then don't write them.
Quote from: Zelen on November 10, 2021, 06:58:02 PM
Writing superhero comics means dealing with superhero genre tropes. If you don't like those, then don't write them.
You're right, hacks like Alan Moore and that obscure comic he wrote ages ago called Watchmen have no place in the comics industry.
Quote from: Pat on November 10, 2021, 07:26:30 PMYou're right, hacks like Alan Moore and that obscure comic he wrote ages ago called Watchmen have no place in the comics industry.
Yup. 100% this and unironically this. This is the man who walks on beaches and gets great pleasure smashing down sandcastles and calling them childish. He does this while oggling sunbathing women with binoculars and making sand scultures (which are totally different and not childish!).
Watchmen is utter crap. Its got a degree of technical proficiency, but thats it.
Quote from: jhkim on November 10, 2021, 06:50:03 PMOn a fictional consistency level, I think it's kind of stupid for superheroes to restrict themselves to only fighting criminals, when they could massively change the world for the better. But in the long term, superhero comics want the world to stay recognizable to readers, so they contrive things so that despite massive changes compared to reality, the wider world is all generally the same.
Well there is also the consequences of their actions. Invincible has had him play at this sort of thing, but when he got it wrong the end results where catastrophic.
But the series did end with a unrecognizable earth and a sci-fi ish earth.
Hey, remember back when they did this shit with Stormwatch and the Authority? Except they actually were doing more than just walking around with signs?
Quote from: Pat on November 10, 2021, 07:26:30 PM
You're right, hacks like Alan Moore and that obscure comic he wrote ages ago called Watchmen have no place in the comics industry.
Watchmen is completely steeped in superhero tropes, the entire point of the comic is to engage with them. It's a well-crafted and internally consistent story. Whereas with these modern Marvel/DC comics, the impression is the author is embarrassed of writing superhero comics, and are happy to insert their own political concerns even where doing so makes no sense and violates the internal consistency of the characters/story/setting.
Quote from: Zelen on November 11, 2021, 09:08:47 PM
Quote from: Pat on November 10, 2021, 07:26:30 PM
You're right, hacks like Alan Moore and that obscure comic he wrote ages ago called Watchmen have no place in the comics industry.
Watchmen is completely steeped in superhero tropes, the entire point of the comic is to engage with them. It's a well-crafted and internally consistent story. Whereas with these modern Marvel/DC comics, the impression is the author is embarrassed of writing superhero comics, and are happy to insert their own political concerns even where doing so makes no sense and violates the internal consistency of the characters/story/setting.
You were arguing that people who don't like those tropes shouldn't write them. Watchmen is deconstructing those tropes rather than embracing them, and Moore is on record expressing his dislike for many of them. I do think the quality of the work matters, whether or not it rejects or embodies them. Though I wouldn't call it embarrassment. The comics industry isn't big and lucrative enough to attract people who aren't fans of the medium in some form or the other. I think it's more that they dislike specific tropes, but fail to understand them. Moore, by contrast, was successful at subverting the tropes because he has a deep understanding of them.
Quote from: Pat on November 11, 2021, 10:03:30 PM
You were arguing that people who don't like those tropes shouldn't write them. Watchmen is deconstructing those tropes rather than embracing them, and Moore is on record expressing his dislike for many of them. I do think the quality of the work matters, whether or not it rejects or embodies them. Though I wouldn't call it embarrassment. The comics industry isn't big and lucrative enough to attract people who aren't fans of the medium in some form or the other. I think it's more that they dislike specific tropes, but fail to understand them. Moore, by contrast, was successful at subverting the tropes because he has a deep understanding of them.
I phrased what I said specifically to try to include stuff like Moore's Watchmen. YMMV whether you feel that wording succeeded or not.
The broader point that I wasn't expressing -- That superhero comics authors should generally like superhero comics & their tropes -- I also agree with, but only if we're limiting our discussion to the serial comics (e.g. Superman, Batman, Spiderman, etc) that are always in print. Authors that are interested in genre-subversion should create spin-off works (like Watchmen), not poison the mainstream of the genre/art form/industry.
The idea of superheroes even having a sexuality is kind of odd. Do the fans imagine that Thor comes down from the heavens, hooks up with a twink who resembles the fan remarkably, they settle down behind a white picket fence and adopt a baby from Ethiopia?
If we want to bring sexuality into it, let's go for the original stories! Zeus comes down from the heavens, turns into a swan and rapes a woman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leda_and_the_Swan).
Or, you know, maybe not.
By the way, do superheroes even fight crime any more? Seems like they spend all their time either moping or fighting other superheros.
Quote from: Zelen on November 11, 2021, 10:43:46 PM
Quote from: Pat on November 11, 2021, 10:03:30 PM
You were arguing that people who don't like those tropes shouldn't write them. Watchmen is deconstructing those tropes rather than embracing them, and Moore is on record expressing his dislike for many of them. I do think the quality of the work matters, whether or not it rejects or embodies them. Though I wouldn't call it embarrassment. The comics industry isn't big and lucrative enough to attract people who aren't fans of the medium in some form or the other. I think it's more that they dislike specific tropes, but fail to understand them. Moore, by contrast, was successful at subverting the tropes because he has a deep understanding of them.
I phrased what I said specifically to try to include stuff like Moore's Watchmen. YMMV whether you feel that wording succeeded or not.
The broader point that I wasn't expressing -- That superhero comics authors should generally like superhero comics & their tropes -- I also agree with, but only if we're limiting our discussion to the serial comics (e.g. Superman, Batman, Spiderman, etc) that are always in print. Authors that are interested in genre-subversion should create spin-off works (like Watchmen), not poison the mainstream of the genre/art form/industry.
I'm not really on board with much of the comic fandom's take on staying authentic to the sources. It seems to be less fidelity to some objective source, and more a rejection of things that are different from the stories they like (usually the stories they read in their formative years). After all, if we wanted to stay faithful to the original stories, Superman would be shaking down reporters who think the wrong way, instead of being an apple pie and mom American hero. That's revisionism, but it's a very successful case of revisionism, which has eclipsed the original. I also see spin-off media as entirely new expressions -- I don't really care if a movie is faithful to the comics, because it's inherently a reimagining, anyway. I see some value in consistency in ongoing stories within the same medium -- like serial comic books -- but I think an elastic band metaphor might be apt. Authors can stretch the boundaries, but they should allow it to snap back to the core themes and ideas rather than break. If the new stuff is interesting, the core will shift, but it's gradual. I also like Elseworlds and What If?.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron on November 12, 2021, 12:27:56 AM
The idea of superheroes even having a sexuality is kind of odd. Do the fans imagine that Thor comes down from the heavens, hooks up with a twink who resembles the fan remarkably, they settle down behind a white picket fence and adopt a baby from Ethiopia?
If we want to bring sexuality into it, let's go for the original stories! Zeus comes down from the heavens, turns into a swan and rapes a woman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leda_and_the_Swan).
Or, you know, maybe not.
By the way, do superheroes even fight crime any more? Seems like they spend all their time either moping or fighting other superheros.
Oh, Kyle. Did you miss the story where Thor cross-dresses as a woman to sneak into a giant stronghold and get Mjolnir back? Or the one where Loki turned into a female horse to help the Aesir win a bet? Yes, these are actual Norse myths.
That being said, though, it'd be nice if superheroes spent a little less time whining and a little more time punching faces. I mean, I like a little existential angst, but if you spend all your time brooding like an emo Hot Topic model, it gets boring.
Deconstruction is overrated. Without deeper insight or reconstruction, its almost valueless unless its a necacary enditement of something.
So yes. Deconstruction from a position of hate and not love is generally shit. Which is what moore and watchmen is.
Moores commentary is as deep as "if superman smelled and was called smellyman, people wouldn't like him and it would be stupid."
It's actually Miracleman by Alan Moore that really pisses me off.
When I first read them back in the 80's I was impressed by their edginess. I mean, fuck, I was 19.
But much later on I finally read the original golden age Captain Marvel comics, and was blown away. Those comics were a legit 20 years ahead of their time. Clean, high quality art, and storylines that impressed me as an adult. There's a continuing storyline early on where Captain Marvel is trying to stop SpySmasher, a superhero who has been brainwashed into serving as a criminal, and it's basically the perfect Superman vs Batman story.
(And I haven't even gotten to read the good stuff yet, because DC Archives pulled the plug on Shazam Archives before they could publish the Captain Marvel versus the Monster Society of Evil arc, which is apparently the first great "all of his enemies gang up on the superhero" story. Thanks, DC. )
Compared to the Golden Age originals, Miracleman just seems like a retard setting his toys on fire.
Quote from: Lurkndog on November 12, 2021, 03:36:02 PM
It's actually Miracleman by Alan Moore that really pisses me off.
Oh I didn't even bring up Miracle Man because its more obscure. All of his noteworthy shit is indeed just retardedly smashing toys together because he hates his job.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on November 12, 2021, 01:05:37 PM
Deconstruction is overrated. Without deeper insight or reconstruction, its almost valueless unless its a necessary indictment of something.
I agree. It's obvious that you can have a limited amount of "deconstruction" of particular tropes and patterns, but if you let that become dominant within the mainstream then it destroys the medium.
If you're playing a song, then having some asshole start banging on a frying pan might occasionally be okay and even add to the song. But if all you have are assholes banging on random objects you don't have a song anymore.
Quote from: Zelen on November 12, 2021, 06:00:27 PM
I agree. It's obvious that you can have a limited amount of "deconstruction" of particular tropes and patterns, but if you let that become dominant within the mainstream then it destroys the medium.
If you're playing a song, then having some asshole start banging on a frying pan might occasionally be okay and even add to the song. But if all you have are assholes banging on random objects you don't have a song anymore.
I'm in agreement about Alan Moore -- though in music, I actually liked Stomp and similar drumming shows.
My favorite re-invented superheroes is Astro City, which is a more positive reinvention rather than deconstruction.
Quote from: jhkim on November 12, 2021, 07:10:28 PMI'm in agreement about Alan Moore -- though in music, I actually liked Stomp and similar drumming shows.
To stretch this metaphor further: people sometimes confuse just trying something new or different with deconstruction. But thats just new creation: not deconstruction.
I also like Stomp.
I agree with Zelen's argument that there's a limit to the amount of deconstruction that can occur within a medium. The reason why is that when everything's deconstructed, there's nothing left to deconstruct. But I disagree about Moore. I think Watchmen was a very successful example. The real problem is comics have been copying Moore (and Miller) for the last 35 years, without realizing you can't deconstruct something that's already been taken to pieces.
Quote from: jhkim on November 12, 2021, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Zelen on November 12, 2021, 06:00:27 PM
I agree. It's obvious that you can have a limited amount of "deconstruction" of particular tropes and patterns, but if you let that become dominant within the mainstream then it destroys the medium.
If you're playing a song, then having some asshole start banging on a frying pan might occasionally be okay and even add to the song. But if all you have are assholes banging on random objects you don't have a song anymore.
I'm in agreement about Alan Moore -- though in music, I actually liked Stomp and similar drumming shows.
My favorite re-invented superheroes is Astro City, which is a more positive reinvention rather than deconstruction.
Astro City isn't deconstruction at all, it's a loving homage. The main difference is the superheroics are background to the personal stories. It makes the ordinary people the focus of the stories instead of the heroes, or tries to consider what it would be like if being a superhero was your job.
Quote from: Pat on November 13, 2021, 03:31:27 AMBut I disagree about Moore. I think Watchmen was a very successful example.
In the sense its changed what superhero comics are about for 2 decades for the worst (and then they became even worse on their own). Yes, it was successful.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on November 12, 2021, 10:56:13 PM
Quote from: jhkim on November 12, 2021, 07:10:28 PMI'm in agreement about Alan Moore -- though in music, I actually liked Stomp and similar drumming shows.
To stretch this metaphor further: people sometimes confuse just trying something new or different with deconstruction. But thats just new creation: not deconstruction.
I also like Stomp.
Deconstruction is form of artsy-fartsy criticism invented by Derrida. It has nothing to do with Watchmen or anything done by writers. Are you using that stupid meaningless tvtropes definition that pretentiously labels artsy-fartsy anime as "deconstruction" to make them look cooler than they actually are?
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on November 13, 2021, 03:02:09 PM
Deconstruction is form of artsy-fartsy criticism invented by Derrida. It has nothing to do with Watchmen or anything done by writers. Are you using that stupid meaningless tvtropes definition that pretentiously labels artsy-fartsy anime as "deconstruction" to make them look cooler than they actually are?
The hell are you talking about? I don't even like deconstruction, what makes you think I would use it as a positive description?
But I guess I use the slang definition, and not the formal one. Do you get upset when people use irony incorrectly?
QuoteIn the sense its changed what superhero comics are about for 2 decades for the worst (and then they became even worse on their own). Yes, it was successful.
That I definitely disagree.
But then I was never much into Silver Era optimist superheroism, and always more into Superpower Ubermensch are a Cosmic Terror for normal humans, let's examine how this horror shall evolve, so Watchman or Squadron Supreme suits me very well
Quote from: Wrath of God on November 13, 2021, 05:11:53 PMBut then I was never much into Silver Era optimist superheroism, and always more into Superpower Ubermensch are a Cosmic Terror for normal humans, let's examine how this horror shall evolve, so Watchman or Squadron Supreme suits me very well
I think your taste is shit, and even from the angle of that Watchman still sucks unless you like your characters shallow and stupid, and even then Watchmen didn't usher in a age of Ubermench wank and more just broody gits, and then eventually pouches.
But I can't argue with you liking what you like.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on November 13, 2021, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: Pat on November 13, 2021, 03:31:27 AMBut I disagree about Moore. I think Watchmen was a very successful example.
In the sense its changed what superhero comics are about for 2 decades for the worst (and then they became even worse on their own). Yes, it was successful.
Yeah, you've said that about 30 times. We get it. You don't like the angry perverted Santa.
Quote from: Pat on November 13, 2021, 06:19:20 PMYeah, you've said that about 30 times. We get it. You don't like the angry perverted Santa.
Fair enough. Its not the pervertedness I dislike. Its the hypocricy.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on November 13, 2021, 06:30:59 PM
Quote from: Pat on November 13, 2021, 06:19:20 PMYeah, you've said that about 30 times. We get it. You don't like the angry perverted Santa.
Fair enough. Its not the pervertedness I dislike. Its the hypocricy.
Then you probably haven't read Lost Girls.
Quote from: Pat on November 13, 2021, 06:40:59 PMThen you probably haven't read Lost Girls.
I have. Don't complain about other people butchering your work or disrespecting your characters when you do this sort of stuff.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on November 13, 2021, 03:29:03 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on November 13, 2021, 03:02:09 PM
Deconstruction is form of artsy-fartsy criticism invented by Derrida. It has nothing to do with Watchmen or anything done by writers. Are you using that stupid meaningless tvtropes definition that pretentiously labels artsy-fartsy anime as "deconstruction" to make them look cooler than they actually are?
The hell are you talking about? I don't even like deconstruction, what makes you think I would use it as a positive description?
But I guess I use the slang definition, and not the formal one. Do you get upset when people use irony incorrectly?
I've seen it used in a bunch of different ways. Tvtropes uses it one way (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Deconstruction), Nerdrotic uses it to mean "when SJWs piss on iconic characters."
Quote from: Zelen on November 12, 2021, 06:00:27 PM
I agree. It's obvious that you can have a limited amount of "deconstruction" of particular tropes and patterns, but if you let that become dominant within the mainstream then it destroys the medium.
I agree, and I think the same is true of other reactionary or transgressive types of stories and characters.
Wolverine, for instance, was originally cool because he broke the rules of being a goody-goody superhero. He was a killer, and lived a dissolute lifestyle. He had a bad attitude, and smoked like a chimney. This was attractive for its own rakish sake, and led to some nice dramatic conflict with the more traditional heroes.
Since then, though, the idea of Wolverine has permeated the comics medium so much that damn near every character is a hard-bitten outsider with a mean attitude. I mean, they gave Superman a healing factor. Wolverine isn't transgressive any more: he's the new norm. And that's not really a good thing for the medium. Comics are so addicted to being transgressive that you can go into a comics store and not find anything on the racks that's suitable for children. Which is one of the reasons why sales numbers are so abysmal.
Quote from: Lurkndog on November 16, 2021, 08:37:12 AM
Quote from: Zelen on November 12, 2021, 06:00:27 PM
I agree. It's obvious that you can have a limited amount of "deconstruction" of particular tropes and patterns, but if you let that become dominant within the mainstream then it destroys the medium.
I agree, and I think the same is true of other reactionary or transgressive types of stories and characters.
Wolverine, for instance, was originally cool because he broke the rules of being a goody-goody superhero. He was a killer, and lived a dissolute lifestyle. He had a bad attitude, and smoked like a chimney. This was attractive for its own rakish sake, and led to some nice dramatic conflict with the more traditional heroes.
Since then, though, the idea of Wolverine has permeated the comics medium so much that damn near every character is a hard-bitten outsider with a mean attitude. I mean, they gave Superman a healing factor. Wolverine isn't transgressive any more: he's the new norm. And that's not really a good thing for the medium. Comics are so addicted to being transgressive that you can go into a comics store and not find anything on the racks that's suitable for children. Which is one of the reasons why sales numbers are so abysmal.
I think the worst or at least the most obvious example is what passes as banter in modern comics. It's not banter in the traditional sense of clever repartee. It's just one character being a complete ass to another character, by thoroughly insulting and demeaning them. And this isn't shit thrown at a hated enemy, it's usually between characters who are supposed to be friends or at least allies. This shouldn't be mistaken for rough but friendly locker room banter, or some witty inversion, or even an attempt to display a character's complete lack of social skills (they're usually supposed to be cool, in the context of the setting). It's just people being absolutely terrible to their friends for no reason at all, because it's supposed to be edgy or something. It doesn't make me like the characters, it makes me hate them and wish they were dead.
QuoteI think your taste is shit, and even from the angle of that Watchman still sucks unless you like your characters shallow and stupid, and even then Watchmen didn't usher in a age of Ubermench wank and more just broody gits, and then eventually pouches.
But I can't argue with you liking what you like.
And that's why you shall fail, libertarian ;)
QuoteSince then, though, the idea of Wolverine has permeated the comics medium so much that damn near every character is a hard-bitten outsider with a mean attitude. I mean, they gave Superman a healing factor. Wolverine isn't transgressive any more: he's the new norm. And that's not really a good thing for the medium. Comics are so addicted to being transgressive that you can go into a comics store and not find anything on the racks that's suitable for children. Which is one of the reasons why sales numbers are so abysmal.
TBH that's inevitable end of anything projected as unending multiverse soap-opera.
You will redesign characters because of franchise power, and nothing ever ends and resolves.
TBH it was also done in Silver Age. Golden Age pre-code heroes including Sups and Bats killed a lot of people in their early days. So who is real anyway :P
In Future Space Human Empire there will be one story of Superman from his fall on Earth to his ultimate demise. ;) Anything else will be under damnatio memoriae.
Quote from: Wrath of God on November 17, 2021, 06:10:43 PMAnd that's why you shall fail, libertarian ;)
Because I tolerate opinions even though I dislike them?
Quote from: Pat on November 16, 2021, 12:43:12 PM
I think the worst or at least the most obvious example is what passes as banter in modern comics. It's not banter in the traditional sense of clever repartee. It's just one character being a complete ass to another character, by thoroughly insulting and demeaning them. And this isn't shit thrown at a hated enemy, it's usually between characters who are supposed to be friends or at least allies. This shouldn't be mistaken for rough but friendly locker room banter, or some witty inversion, or even an attempt to display a character's complete lack of social skills (they're usually supposed to be cool, in the context of the setting). It's just people being absolutely terrible to their friends for no reason at all, because it's supposed to be edgy or something. It doesn't make me like the characters, it makes me hate them and wish they were dead.
In order for a reactionary or transgressive character to work, they need characters who are normal people to play off of. It's very much like having a straight man in a comedy. Having a normal person with normal expectations puts the outrageous stuff in context, and makes it even more edgy, or funny, or over the top.
If you don't have a straight man, you fall into the trap of characters just trying to one-up each other, and that gets predictable and tedious very quickly.
It's why the original Ghostbusters is hilarious, and Ghostbusters 2016 fell flat. The only really funny thing in the 2016 film was Chris Hemsworth as Kevin the intern, and it's because it's the only time the other characters play the straight man and react to him like normal people would.
It's also what made Han Solo so cool in Star Wars. He had Luke to play off of, or C3PO, or, briefly, Greedo.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on October 11, 2021, 05:40:33 PM
Sad thing is, I like the idea of Superman having a son, and going through the process of passing on the torch. Dunno if the idea will stick, or get retconned. Probably retconned since it looks like they're using the son as a boring, activism mouthpiece instead of imbuing him with actual character.
In the DC comics series, there is a furture superteam named The Legion. Those who auditioned for membership and were turned down form their own group, the Substitutes. Generally rejected for useless / duplicate / inadequate super powers. One member is Laurel Kent, daughter of Superman, who only inherits invulnerability,no other powers.
Quote from: DragonBane on November 08, 2021, 07:43:50 PM
A superhero came out of the closet back around 1991. So who is surprised by this now? The SJWs have zero reason to stop.
Alot less ham-handed than now. Compare how they handled Vance Astro and all the hell he went through to todays co-opted characters.
Quote from: DeadVerySoon on January 18, 2022, 04:43:57 PM
In the DC comics series, there is a furture superteam named The Legion. Those who auditioned for membership and were turned down form their own group, the Substitutes. Generally rejected for useless / duplicate / inadequate super powers. One member is Laurel Kent, daughter of Superman, who only inherits invulnerability,no other powers.
Legion of Substitute stories tended to be bemusing and on more than one occasion they saved the day with their otherwise useless powers. If you can ever find it, check out the issue where they team up with Superman to deal with Ambush Bug who was Deadpool before Deadpool. Still have that one even.
Greetings!
*Laughing* Suprman clapping cheeks now.
So fucking pathetic.
Yeah, let them burn it all the fuck down.
It's all worthless shit now. Fuck 'em.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I never cared for the idea of Superman having any sort of sexual relationship at all, but with a human....I mean even is hair is super strong. I have to assume, this means his wedding tackle is also going to have some super qualities. He could likely ram an erection right through a steel door. How is that going to play out on some lady, or worse some dude engaging in a form of love where poop and blood are not so uncommon, and even if Supes lets you play pitcher instead of catcher....seems you could lose a member pretty easily with any tension?
It always seemed like any sort of sexual relationship from Superman, unless you have him dosed with kryptonite, is a good way to get killed in a horrible way. I think he should stick to super heros with similar qualities, not intrepid female reporters, or now some genderqueer twink.
Quote from: oggsmash on February 07, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
I never cared for the idea of Superman having any sort of sexual relationship at all, but with a human....I mean even is hair is super strong. I have to assume, this means his wedding tackle is also going to have some super qualities. He could likely ram an erection right through a steel door. How is that going to play out on some lady, or worse some dude engaging in a form of love where poop and blood are not so uncommon, and even if Supes lets you play pitcher instead of catcher....seems you could lose a member pretty easily with any tension?
It always seemed like any sort of sexual relationship from Superman, unless you have him dosed with kryptonite, is a good way to get killed in a horrible way. I think he should stick to super heros with similar qualities, not intrepid female reporters, or now some genderqueer twink.
I assume you haven't read Larry Niven's "Man of Steel, Women of Kleenex"? (https://larryniven.net/stories/Man_of_Steel_Woman_of_Kleenex.shtml)
(Not particularly SFW.)
Quote from: oggsmash on February 07, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
I never cared for the idea of Superman having any sort of sexual relationship at all, but with a human....I mean even is hair is super strong. I have to assume, this means his wedding tackle is also going to have some super qualities. He could likely ram an erection right through a steel door. How is that going to play out on some lady, or worse some dude engaging in a form of love where poop and blood are not so uncommon, and even if Supes lets you play pitcher instead of catcher....seems you could lose a member pretty easily with any tension?
It always seemed like any sort of sexual relationship from Superman, unless you have him dosed with kryptonite, is a good way to get killed in a horrible way. I think he should stick to super heros with similar qualities, not intrepid female reporters, or now some genderqueer twink.
This just opens up a can of worms around how exactly Superman's powers
work. Does he have super farts and super burps? Is his "invulnerable" skin flexible? Is it more rigid than steel? If it's not flexible, how does he move? If it is flexible, how does it resist damage? Does he have super explosive diahrehha? Is he immune to earth viruses and bacteria? Does his biology need beneficial bacteria? Does Superman have to eat or drink? How much physical nourishment does he need? Is he completely solar powered, and if so, how does he build more tissue?
etc, etc, etc...
Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 07, 2022, 07:10:46 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on February 07, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
I never cared for the idea of Superman having any sort of sexual relationship at all, but with a human....I mean even is hair is super strong. I have to assume, this means his wedding tackle is also going to have some super qualities. He could likely ram an erection right through a steel door. How is that going to play out on some lady, or worse some dude engaging in a form of love where poop and blood are not so uncommon, and even if Supes lets you play pitcher instead of catcher....seems you could lose a member pretty easily with any tension?
It always seemed like any sort of sexual relationship from Superman, unless you have him dosed with kryptonite, is a good way to get killed in a horrible way. I think he should stick to super heros with similar qualities, not intrepid female reporters, or now some genderqueer twink.
This just opens up a can of worms around how exactly Superman's powers work. Does he have super farts and super burps? Is his "invulnerable" skin flexible? Is it more rigid than steel? If it's not flexible, how does he move? If it is flexible, how does it resist damage? Does he have super explosive diahrehha? Is he immune to earth viruses and bacteria? Does his biology need beneficial bacteria? Does Superman have to eat or drink? How much physical nourishment does he need? Is he completely solar powered, and if so, how does he build more tissue?
etc, etc, etc...
My biggest problem with Superman has always been Krypton. They're one of the most advanced spacefaring races in the entire universe, and their members have immense powers everywhere except under their own Sun. How does a trait like that evolve? It doesn't. There's no way you can ever make it make sense.
And if it's not evolved, that means it's engineered. Which kind of makes sense, at first glance, If you're one of the most advanced races that ever lived, why not give yourself powers that vastly exceed those displayed by most gods in myth and legends? But if you do that, why not make it work in your own home system? And even if that was somehow impossible, why not just go live somewhere else?
But they didn't. They decided to stay home on their own home planet. Which again, could conceivably make sense. We could conceive of some religion or philosophy that pushed the masses to stay home. But... mass movements don't work on literally
everyone. Because except for ejecta and a captured bottle, 100% of the species was killed in the planetary explosion. That means not a single Kryptonian went off to live somewhere else.
Which requires a staggering degree of conformity. Yet Superman himself is basically the embodiment of the American ideal of independence. Clark Kent isn't a blind follower, so it's clearly not genetic. And Krypton's culture is typically portrayed as a bit hidebound, but it's not some absolutist totalitarian nightmare, which would be the the only way to exert such an absolute degree of control over a race that's psychologically similar to humans.
So I guess... magic? Except he's not magic. He's weak to magic.
There's no way to make any of it make sense even by the incredibly loose standards of comic books. The only way to deal with it is to ignore everything.
Quote from: oggsmash on February 07, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
I never cared for the idea of Superman having any sort of sexual relationship at all, but with a human....I mean even is hair is super strong. I have to assume, this means his wedding tackle is also going to have some super qualities. He could likely ram an erection right through a steel door. How is that going to play out on some lady, or worse some dude engaging in a form of love where poop and blood are not so uncommon, and even if Supes lets you play pitcher instead of catcher....seems you could lose a member pretty easily with any tension?
It always seemed like any sort of sexual relationship from Superman, unless you have him dosed with kryptonite, is a good way to get killed in a horrible way. I think he should stick to super heros with similar qualities, not intrepid female reporters, or now some genderqueer twink.
Speaking of, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if pinkhair (I'm too lazy to google his name) has a vag down there. Good old homophobia, but make it woke.
But seriously, this is explained somewhere as him actually having contact telekinesis that selectively applies his invulnerability to objects he touches. That's why people don't get sliced apart when he catches them in free fall.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on February 08, 2022, 12:30:45 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on February 07, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
I never cared for the idea of Superman having any sort of sexual relationship at all, but with a human....I mean even is hair is super strong. I have to assume, this means his wedding tackle is also going to have some super qualities. He could likely ram an erection right through a steel door. How is that going to play out on some lady, or worse some dude engaging in a form of love where poop and blood are not so uncommon, and even if Supes lets you play pitcher instead of catcher....seems you could lose a member pretty easily with any tension?
It always seemed like any sort of sexual relationship from Superman, unless you have him dosed with kryptonite, is a good way to get killed in a horrible way. I think he should stick to super heros with similar qualities, not intrepid female reporters, or now some genderqueer twink.
Speaking of, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if pinkhair (I'm too lazy to google his name) has a vag down there. Good old homophobia, but make it woke.
But seriously, this is explained somewhere as him actually having contact telekinesis that selectively applies his invulnerability to objects he touches. That's why people don't get sliced apart when he catches them in free fall.
That is the lamest retcon BS I have ever heard. Wow, I guess they felt it was just too hard for superman to take into account that if he had to catch someone he would need to make some direction changes to not kill them? It creates IMO, more holes than it plugs. But I guess it fixes the catching falling victims or clapping some twinks cheeks.
Quote from: oggsmash on February 08, 2022, 01:00:11 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on February 08, 2022, 12:30:45 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on February 07, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
I never cared for the idea of Superman having any sort of sexual relationship at all, but with a human....I mean even is hair is super strong. I have to assume, this means his wedding tackle is also going to have some super qualities. He could likely ram an erection right through a steel door. How is that going to play out on some lady, or worse some dude engaging in a form of love where poop and blood are not so uncommon, and even if Supes lets you play pitcher instead of catcher....seems you could lose a member pretty easily with any tension?
It always seemed like any sort of sexual relationship from Superman, unless you have him dosed with kryptonite, is a good way to get killed in a horrible way. I think he should stick to super heros with similar qualities, not intrepid female reporters, or now some genderqueer twink.
Speaking of, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if pinkhair (I'm too lazy to google his name) has a vag down there. Good old homophobia, but make it woke.
But seriously, this is explained somewhere as him actually having contact telekinesis that selectively applies his invulnerability to objects he touches. That's why people don't get sliced apart when he catches them in free fall.
That is the lamest retcon BS I have ever heard. Wow, I guess they felt it was just too hard for superman to take into account that if he had to catch someone he would need to make some direction changes to not kill them? It creates IMO, more holes than it plugs. But I guess it fixes the catching falling victims or clapping some twinks cheeks.
IIRC, the touch-TK came from the John Byrne reboot of Superman in the 1980s. Though it's less about catching people and more about lifting large objects. Because it doesn't matter how strong you are, if you try to pick up a submarine (as in a recent Superman & Lois episode) with your hands, it means all that weight is being supported by two hand-sized points on the hull. Saying it would snap is probably generous.
But even the cleverest rationalization only works so far. It'll always be more about suspension of disbelief than physics.
Quote from: Pat on February 08, 2022, 04:16:05 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on February 08, 2022, 01:00:11 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on February 08, 2022, 12:30:45 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on February 07, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
I never cared for the idea of Superman having any sort of sexual relationship at all, but with a human....I mean even is hair is super strong. I have to assume, this means his wedding tackle is also going to have some super qualities. He could likely ram an erection right through a steel door. How is that going to play out on some lady, or worse some dude engaging in a form of love where poop and blood are not so uncommon, and even if Supes lets you play pitcher instead of catcher....seems you could lose a member pretty easily with any tension?
It always seemed like any sort of sexual relationship from Superman, unless you have him dosed with kryptonite, is a good way to get killed in a horrible way. I think he should stick to super heros with similar qualities, not intrepid female reporters, or now some genderqueer twink.
Speaking of, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if pinkhair (I'm too lazy to google his name) has a vag down there. Good old homophobia, but make it woke.
But seriously, this is explained somewhere as him actually having contact telekinesis that selectively applies his invulnerability to objects he touches. That's why people don't get sliced apart when he catches them in free fall.
That is the lamest retcon BS I have ever heard. Wow, I guess they felt it was just too hard for superman to take into account that if he had to catch someone he would need to make some direction changes to not kill them? It creates IMO, more holes than it plugs. But I guess it fixes the catching falling victims or clapping some twinks cheeks.
IIRC, the touch-TK came from the John Byrne reboot of Superman in the 1980s. Though it's less about catching people and more about lifting large objects. Because it doesn't matter how strong you are, if you try to pick up a submarine (as in a recent Superman & Lois episode) with your hands, it means all that weight is being supported by two hand-sized points on the hull. Saying it would snap is probably generous.
But even the cleverest rationalization only works so far. It'll always be more about suspension of disbelief than physics.
Suddenly reminded of that cutscene in Xenogears, where Id picks up the sand-ship with his telekinesis and throws it at his opponent. And even with the telekinetic reinforcement it was still bending under its own weight.
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Quote from: Lurkndog on November 18, 2021, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: Pat on November 16, 2021, 12:43:12 PM
I think the worst or at least the most obvious example is what passes as banter in modern comics. It's not banter in the traditional sense of clever repartee. It's just one character being a complete ass to another character, by thoroughly insulting and demeaning them. And this isn't shit thrown at a hated enemy, it's usually between characters who are supposed to be friends or at least allies. This shouldn't be mistaken for rough but friendly locker room banter, or some witty inversion, or even an attempt to display a character's complete lack of social skills (they're usually supposed to be cool, in the context of the setting). It's just people being absolutely terrible to their friends for no reason at all, because it's supposed to be edgy or something. It doesn't make me like the characters, it makes me hate them and wish they were dead.
In order for a reactionary or transgressive character to work, they need characters who are normal people to play off of. It's very much like having a straight man in a comedy. Having a normal person with normal expectations puts the outrageous stuff in context, and makes it even more edgy, or funny, or over the top.
If you don't have a straight man, you fall into the trap of characters just trying to one-up each other, and that gets predictable and tedious very quickly.
It's why the original Ghostbusters is hilarious, and Ghostbusters 2016 fell flat. The only really funny thing in the 2016 film was Chris Hemsworth as Kevin the intern, and it's because it's the only time the other characters play the straight man and react to him like normal people would.
It's also what made Han Solo so cool in Star Wars. He had Luke to play off of, or C3PO, or, briefly, Greedo.
The problem with that is there is no such thing as normal anymore. These creeps decided to create a whole blurb of words to describe normal, things like cisgender hetero, heteronormative behavior, cis gender heteronormative propaganda, etc. I think the people who deviate strongly from the norm, through likely both social pressures and their own image of themselves, feel wrong/dirty/broken. Their answer to that feeling is breaking the world around them and its language to feel better. IMO, they need therapy to fix that (feelings about themselves, not chosen lifestyle), and just move on.
Quote from: oggsmash on February 08, 2022, 01:00:11 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on February 08, 2022, 12:30:45 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on February 07, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
I never cared for the idea of Superman having any sort of sexual relationship at all, but with a human....I mean even is hair is super strong. I have to assume, this means his wedding tackle is also going to have some super qualities. He could likely ram an erection right through a steel door. How is that going to play out on some lady, or worse some dude engaging in a form of love where poop and blood are not so uncommon, and even if Supes lets you play pitcher instead of catcher....seems you could lose a member pretty easily with any tension?
It always seemed like any sort of sexual relationship from Superman, unless you have him dosed with kryptonite, is a good way to get killed in a horrible way. I think he should stick to super heros with similar qualities, not intrepid female reporters, or now some genderqueer twink.
Speaking of, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if pinkhair (I'm too lazy to google his name) has a vag down there. Good old homophobia, but make it woke.
But seriously, this is explained somewhere as him actually having contact telekinesis that selectively applies his invulnerability to objects he touches. That's why people don't get sliced apart when he catches them in free fall.
That is the lamest retcon BS I have ever heard. Wow, I guess they felt it was just too hard for superman to take into account that if he had to catch someone he would need to make some direction changes to not kill them? It creates IMO, more holes than it plugs. But I guess it fixes the catching falling victims or clapping some twinks cheeks.
The TK thing was Conner Kent, the "Clone" of Superman, not Superman himself.
Quote from: oggsmash on February 07, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
I never cared for the idea of Superman having any sort of sexual relationship at all, but with a human....I mean even is hair is super strong. I have to assume, this means his wedding tackle is also going to have some super qualities. He could likely ram an erection right through a steel door. How is that going to play out on some lady, or worse some dude engaging in a form of love where poop and blood are not so uncommon, and even if Supes lets you play pitcher instead of catcher....seems you could lose a member pretty easily with any tension?
It always seemed like any sort of sexual relationship from Superman, unless you have him dosed with kryptonite, is a good way to get killed in a horrible way. I think he should stick to super heros with similar qualities, not intrepid female reporters, or now some genderqueer twink.
Even if he controlled very carefully his thrusts the moment he came Lois is dead. This isn't something new, us fans have always said so. It's why in the Christopher Reeve's films superman depowers himself with Kryptonian tech BEFORE banging Lois.
As for gay sex, the same applies if supes is the active one, and if he's the passive one then you loose your dick due to an involuntary spasm or a fart.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 23, 2022, 05:00:11 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on February 08, 2022, 01:00:11 PM
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Quote from: oggsmash on February 07, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
I never cared for the idea of Superman having any sort of sexual relationship at all, but with a human....I mean even is hair is super strong. I have to assume, this means his wedding tackle is also going to have some super qualities. He could likely ram an erection right through a steel door. How is that going to play out on some lady, or worse some dude engaging in a form of love where poop and blood are not so uncommon, and even if Supes lets you play pitcher instead of catcher....seems you could lose a member pretty easily with any tension?
It always seemed like any sort of sexual relationship from Superman, unless you have him dosed with kryptonite, is a good way to get killed in a horrible way. I think he should stick to super heros with similar qualities, not intrepid female reporters, or now some genderqueer twink.
Speaking of, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if pinkhair (I'm too lazy to google his name) has a vag down there. Good old homophobia, but make it woke.
But seriously, this is explained somewhere as him actually having contact telekinesis that selectively applies his invulnerability to objects he touches. That's why people don't get sliced apart when he catches them in free fall.
That is the lamest retcon BS I have ever heard. Wow, I guess they felt it was just too hard for superman to take into account that if he had to catch someone he would need to make some direction changes to not kill them? It creates IMO, more holes than it plugs. But I guess it fixes the catching falling victims or clapping some twinks cheeks.
The TK thing was Conner Kent, the "Clone" of Superman, not Superman himself.
Maybe later on. But IIRC, the touch TK thing first appeared as an explanation for Superman's powers, in the 1980s John Byrne reboot. That was before the Death of Superman arc that introduced Connor Kent.
Quote from: Pat on February 23, 2022, 05:09:44 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 23, 2022, 05:00:11 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on February 08, 2022, 01:00:11 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on February 08, 2022, 12:30:45 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on February 07, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
I never cared for the idea of Superman having any sort of sexual relationship at all, but with a human....I mean even is hair is super strong. I have to assume, this means his wedding tackle is also going to have some super qualities. He could likely ram an erection right through a steel door. How is that going to play out on some lady, or worse some dude engaging in a form of love where poop and blood are not so uncommon, and even if Supes lets you play pitcher instead of catcher....seems you could lose a member pretty easily with any tension?
It always seemed like any sort of sexual relationship from Superman, unless you have him dosed with kryptonite, is a good way to get killed in a horrible way. I think he should stick to super heros with similar qualities, not intrepid female reporters, or now some genderqueer twink.
Speaking of, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if pinkhair (I'm too lazy to google his name) has a vag down there. Good old homophobia, but make it woke.
But seriously, this is explained somewhere as him actually having contact telekinesis that selectively applies his invulnerability to objects he touches. That's why people don't get sliced apart when he catches them in free fall.
That is the lamest retcon BS I have ever heard. Wow, I guess they felt it was just too hard for superman to take into account that if he had to catch someone he would need to make some direction changes to not kill them? It creates IMO, more holes than it plugs. But I guess it fixes the catching falling victims or clapping some twinks cheeks.
The TK thing was Conner Kent, the "Clone" of Superman, not Superman himself.
Maybe later on. But IIRC, the touch TK thing first appeared as an explanation for Superman's powers, in the 1980s John Byrne reboot. That was before the Death of Superman arc that introduced Connor Kent.
Now you have me doubting my memory, I own those comics so I'll go check latter. (meaning some time in the near future)
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 23, 2022, 05:15:48 PM
Now you have me doubting my memory, I own those comics so I'll go check latter. (meaning some time in the near future)
Memory can be slippery. I don't know the site from a hole in the ground, but I found a page that goes through the evolution of Superman's powers. The Post-Crisis section is about John Byrne's revision and mentions the addition of tactile TK.
https://superman.fandom.com/wiki/Superman%27s_Powers_and_Abilities
Quote from: Pat on February 23, 2022, 05:23:00 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 23, 2022, 05:15:48 PM
Now you have me doubting my memory, I own those comics so I'll go check latter. (meaning some time in the near future)
Memory can be slippery. I don't know the site from a hole in the ground, but I found a page that goes through the evolution of Superman's powers. The Post-Crisis section is about John Byrne's revision and mentions the addition of tactile TK.
https://superman.fandom.com/wiki/Superman%27s_Powers_and_Abilities
They assert it, but provide no proof or citation, gonna have to drag my longboxes and do some reading.