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Author Topic: Superman is gay.  (Read 1847 times)

Pat

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Re: Superman is gay.
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2021, 08:07:59 PM »
A superhero came out of the closet back around 1991. So who is surprised by this now? The SJWs have zero reason to stop.
What if all metas were gay? Batman would be the only straight member of the core Justice League.

If you could find a writer who wouldn't turn it into political propaganda, that could make a very interesting Elseworlds story.

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Re: Superman is gay.
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2021, 08:09:49 PM »
Try to make that happen.

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Re: Superman is gay.
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2021, 10:57:08 AM »
I saw the cover art where he protests climate change. As opposed to just throwing all the fossil fuels into space. And the companies wonder why comic books are failing.


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Re: Superman is gay.
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2021, 04:07:24 PM »
As opposed to just throwing all the fossil fuels into space.

Because it makes him a moronic activist instead of a supervillian that would kill the majority of the worlds population overnight if he did that. We are yet to discover a fuelsource that doesn't generate somekind of waste and actually provides the energy we require. Solar Power and Wind cannot be said sources on a base physics level (and they require fossil fuels anyway).

Real world issues in a universe of fantasy magic and Sci fi tech are dumb.

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Re: Superman is gay.
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2021, 04:16:27 PM »
As opposed to just throwing all the fossil fuels into space.

Because it makes him a moronic activist instead of a supervillian that would kill the majority of the worlds population overnight if he did that. We are yet to discover a fuelsource that doesn't generate somekind of waste and actually provides the energy we require. Solar Power and Wind cannot be said sources on a base physics level (and they require fossil fuels anyway).

Real world issues in a universe of fantasy magic and Sci fi tech are dumb.
Since we're talking about Superman, we know that world already has an extraordinary means of converting solar energy into mechanical energy. Superman could personally power the world if he's such a selfless being.

Shrieking Banshee

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Re: Superman is gay.
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2021, 05:22:40 PM »
Since we're talking about Superman.

I remember a comic where Superman refused to endorse any (fake for the comic) political candidate and said that he suggests other superheroes don't either because he didn't see his opinion in any way above a normal persons. Just because he was good at punching monsters, didn't make him good leadership selection material.

Superhero activists are a stupid idea.

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Re: Superman is gay.
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2021, 05:24:49 PM »
Since we're talking about Superman.

I remember a comic where Superman refused to endorse any (fake for the comic) political candidate and said that he suggests other superheroes don't either because he didn't see his opinion in any way above a normal persons. Just because he was good at punching monsters, didn't make him good leadership selection material.

Superhero activists are a stupid idea.
That doesn't mean he couldn't hand-crank a turbine or blow his breath at a wind farm and generate enough power for the world.

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Re: Superman is gay.
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2021, 05:59:57 PM »
Since we're talking about Superman.

I remember a comic where Superman refused to endorse any (fake for the comic) political candidate and said that he suggests other superheroes don't either because he didn't see his opinion in any way above a normal persons. Just because he was good at punching monsters, didn't make him good leadership selection material.

Superhero activists are a stupid idea.
That doesn't mean he couldn't hand-crank a turbine or blow his breath at a wind farm and generate enough power for the world.
There is the precedent of Flash's treadmill. I like the idea of a super-fit activist Superman who's saving the world by working out at the gym 24/7.

Wait... have we circled back to gay Superman?

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Re: Superman is gay.
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2021, 08:23:59 AM »
I saw the cover art where he protests climate change. As opposed to just throwing all the fossil fuels into space. And the companies wonder why comic books are failing.
Is that the picture that has the person holding the "There is no Earth B" sign?

Because there aren't already alien species that the DC Earth knows about that come from other habitable worlds.  Or, you know, the fact that there is a multiverse with at least 51 other Earths.  ::)

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Re: Superman is gay.
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2021, 01:24:51 PM »
As opposed to just throwing all the fossil fuels into space.

Because it makes him a moronic activist instead of a supervillian that would kill the majority of the worlds population overnight if he did that. We are yet to discover a fuelsource that doesn't generate somekind of waste and actually provides the energy we require. Solar Power and Wind cannot be said sources on a base physics level (and they require fossil fuels anyway).

Real world issues in a universe of fantasy magic and Sci fi tech are dumb.
Thorium reactors seem promising. All that whining about "we can't allow nuclear proliferation" is stupid. We've already let the genie out of the bottle and there's no way we can put it back in. Nuclear disarmament is infeasible, because whoever has nukes can trivially extort anyone who doesn't. Human nature being what it is, you can guess the results.

But I digress.

Surely Superman has better ways to convince the world to give up fossil fuels than to impotently hold up a sign?

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Re: Superman is gay.
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2021, 02:23:02 PM »
As opposed to just throwing all the fossil fuels into space.

Because it makes him a moronic activist instead of a supervillian that would kill the majority of the worlds population overnight if he did that. We are yet to discover a fuelsource that doesn't generate somekind of waste and actually provides the energy we require. Solar Power and Wind cannot be said sources on a base physics level (and they require fossil fuels anyway).

Real world issues in a universe of fantasy magic and Sci fi tech are dumb.
Thorium reactors seem promising. All that whining about "we can't allow nuclear proliferation" is stupid. We've already let the genie out of the bottle and there's no way we can put it back in. Nuclear disarmament is infeasible, because whoever has nukes can trivially extort anyone who doesn't. Human nature being what it is, you can guess the results.

But I digress.

Surely Superman has better ways to convince the world to give up fossil fuels than to impotently hold up a sign?
Technology marches on. It isn't impossible that we could find a counter to nuclear weapons.

Back in the 80's, when Reagan started pushing for the Strategic Defense Initiative, the Russians offered ridiculous, unprecedented concessions to keep it from being developed. Because a space-based anti-ICBM system would immediately pull most of their teeth. If your big stick -- nukes -- can't be used because they get zapped in the atmosphere, they're not really much use.

(Yes, I know about suitcase nukes and weapons snuck into ports. Those are issues, but it can be a hell of a lot harder to get your nuke to the right place via shipping container.)

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Re: Superman is gay.
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2021, 04:49:00 PM »
We are yet to discover a fuelsource that doesn't generate somekind of waste and actually provides the energy we require. Solar Power and Wind cannot be said sources on a base physics level (and they require fossil fuels anyway).
Thorium reactors seem promising. All that whining about "we can't allow nuclear proliferation" is stupid. We've already let the genie out of the bottle and there's no way we can put it back in. Nuclear disarmament is infeasible, because whoever has nukes can trivially extort anyone who doesn't. Human nature being what it is, you can guess the results.

Uranium, plutonium, and thorium are all great sources.

As far as proliferation of nuclear weapons -- civilian nuclear power has been a great way to prevent this. In practice, there are a number of countries that have disarmed despite previously having nuclear weapons, though - namely South Africa, Belarus, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan. The former Soviet nuclear stockpile has by now mostly been converted into fuel for civilian reactors.

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Re: Superman is gay.
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2021, 05:15:01 PM »
I mean in the DCU Superman could just ask Hal for the secrets of fission from one of his alien friends or something. Or ask Zatanna if they could borrow some fire elementals to power a turbine.

Discussing climate change in Superhero comics is dumb.

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Re: Superman is gay.
« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2021, 06:50:03 PM »
I remember a comic where Superman refused to endorse any (fake for the comic) political candidate and said that he suggests other superheroes don't either because he didn't see his opinion in any way above a normal persons. Just because he was good at punching monsters, didn't make him good leadership selection material.

Superhero activists are a stupid idea.

On the one hand, I agree that his superpowers don't make him good leadership material. On the other hand, I think he is good leadership material as he is frequently portrayed - not because of his powers, but because of his strength of character.

On a fictional consistency level, I think it's kind of stupid for superheroes to restrict themselves to only fighting criminals, when they could massively change the world for the better. But in the long term, superhero comics want the world to stay recognizable to readers, so they contrive things so that despite massive changes compared to reality, the wider world is all generally the same.

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Re: Superman is gay.
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2021, 06:58:02 PM »
Superhero activists are a stupid idea.

It demonstrates really poor imagination & writing skill if authors are not able to present certain types of real-world concerns they might have in a fictionalized way without directly invoking those problems in their work.

Writing superhero comics means dealing with superhero genre tropes. If you don't like those, then don't write them.