Quote from: Ratman_tf;1118054At the risk of psychoanalyzing, my suspicion is that Last Jedi fans are people who really hate Star Wars and like seeing it run into the ground.

Or, perhaps, just have little or no previous exposure or attachment to what came before. Not everyone that sees a Star Wars film has extensive exposure to all prior Star Wars stuff. The lack of context might make TLJ more enjoyable, but I'll never know (nor accept) that for myself.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1118055Or, perhaps, just have little or no previous exposure or attachment to what came before. Not everyone that sees a Star Wars film has extensive exposure to all prior Star Wars stuff. The lack of context might make TLJ more enjoyable, but I'll never know (nor accept) that for myself.

Hell, maybe so. There were fans of the Transformers live action films. Maybe there's a market for films that are incoherent messes, as long as they hit certain beats.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1118055Or, perhaps, just have little or no previous exposure or attachment to what came before. Not everyone that sees a Star Wars film has extensive exposure to all prior Star Wars stuff. The lack of context might make TLJ more enjoyable, but I'll never know (nor accept) that for myself.

I kinda doubt it because TLJ doesn't exist in a vacuum. Its a sequel to a film that dickrode nostalgia.

SJWs value deconstruction, destruction, subversion, and the elevation of their values. TLJ is full of that.

Like what are TLJs values outside of itself? It only exists as a parasite on an existing series. Its commentary only makes sense and has value (theoretical value) after having seen the previous series.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1118091I kinda doubt it because TLJ doesn't exist in a vacuum. Its a sequel to a film that dickrode nostalgia.

SJWs value deconstruction, destruction, subversion, and the elevation of their values. TLJ is full of that.

Like what are TLJs values outside of itself? It only exists as a parasite on an existing series. Its commentary only makes sense and has value (theoretical value) after having seen the previous series.

Like myself, you do not have the ability to come into it without knowing much about Star Wars. There are some that do. My stepson works at a Disney park, and he has told me of visitors to Galaxy's Edge that have near-zero previous exposure to Star Wars. For some of them, The Last Jedi might be their next stop.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1118095For some of them, The Last Jedi might be their next stop.

I'm not saying that's impossible. I'm saying it makes near little sense that way. And it's clearly not designed to work standalone whatsoever.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1118102I'm not saying that's impossible. I'm saying it makes near little sense that way. And it's clearly not designed to work standalone whatsoever.

That something makes little sense and is not being used as designed doesn't stop it from happening (and happening again and again...). When I see a process at work, I have to try to understand what it was meant to do, how it is meant to do it, and then try to predict how it will end up once it's actually in use. The latter sometimes doesn't match the first two parts at all. The Last Jedi happened to come out at a time when many in the audience had more involvement with the social media surrounding it that the actual media of Star Wars. For me, that's a negative, but for others...TLJ is what they consider "the best of Star Wars" and the rest needs to go (which the movie kinda said...until the next movie told them--and others--to fuck off and just watch flashy spectacle & nostalgia).

Quote from: HappyDaze;1118113TLJ is what they consider "the best of Star Wars" and the rest needs to go (which the movie kinda said...until the next movie told them--and others--to fuck off and just watch flashy spectacle & nostalgia).

A just reward for bad taste. Sometimes two wrongs CAN make a right!

Quote from: HappyDaze;1118055Or, perhaps, just have little or no previous exposure or attachment to what came before. Not everyone that sees a Star Wars film has extensive exposure to all prior Star Wars stuff. The lack of context might make TLJ more enjoyable, but I'll never know (nor accept) that for myself.

I Liked "The Last Jedi" - and I DID see all the previous "Star Wars" movies. However, I had never read the previous 30 years worth of SW paperback books and I never played the old West End RPG. For me, I never had 'nostalgia' for any of that stuff. To me the only version of Admiral Thrawn is the one who showed up in "SW Rebels".

- Ed C.