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Author Topic: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop  (Read 10548 times)

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #165 on: March 03, 2022, 11:35:55 AM »
I would have thought they'd keep Ar-Pharazôn the Golden. He's the embodiment of hubris and entitlement, so combined with his gender and presumed skin color, he'd make the perfect villain for SJWs.
That's kind of my point. It's like they read to the point where Tar-Miriel takes the throne (briefly) and missed how Ar-Pharazon usurped it, and how he eventually screwed everything up.

There's a sad irony too. Before Ar-Pharazon decided to try and invade Valinor, he rolled into Middle Earth and basically pwned Sauron's forces so badly they deserted. The Numenoreans brought Sauron back home in chains. Yes, it was a very, very bad decision, but holy shit the brass balls that would take.

What's bizarre is one of the showrunners (McKay) states they can't contradict works they don't have the rights to, and then they turn around and do this? Huh?
And then Ar-Pharazôn attacked the gods, and they got so pissed they changed the shape of the entire world so nobody could sail to the divine realms anymore. He's basically the 2nd Age's answer to Feanor.

I suppose without more information, it's plausible they're starting with Tar-Miriel, and Ar-Pharazôn will be introduced as a villain who usurps the throne

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #166 on: March 03, 2022, 02:00:37 PM »
I would have thought they'd keep Ar-Pharazôn the Golden. He's the embodiment of hubris and entitlement, so combined with his gender and presumed skin color, he'd make the perfect villain for SJWs.
That's kind of my point. It's like they read to the point where Tar-Miriel takes the throne (briefly) and missed how Ar-Pharazon usurped it, and how he eventually screwed everything up.

There's a sad irony too. Before Ar-Pharazon decided to try and invade Valinor, he rolled into Middle Earth and basically pwned Sauron's forces so badly they deserted. The Numenoreans brought Sauron back home in chains. Yes, it was a very, very bad decision, but holy shit the brass balls that would take.

What's bizarre is one of the showrunners (McKay) states they can't contradict works they don't have the rights to, and then they turn around and do this? Huh?
And then Ar-Pharazôn attacked the gods, and they got so pissed they changed the shape of the entire world so nobody could sail to the divine realms anymore. He's basically the 2nd Age's answer to Feanor.

I suppose without more information, it's plausible they're starting with Tar-Miriel, and Ar-Pharazôn will be introduced as a villain who usurps the throne
Perhaps, but I suspect they'll have a problem with dueling narratives: evil white guy (Ar-Pharazon) versus strong independent womyn (Tar-Miriel). Can't have the evil white guy getting the upper hand even temporarily, let alone have a moment of triumph.

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #167 on: March 03, 2022, 02:37:23 PM »
Social Justice is flexible. Evil white guy can triumph if the woman gets some sort of last laugh or some other woman avenges her.

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #168 on: March 03, 2022, 02:58:59 PM »
I would have thought they'd keep Ar-Pharazôn the Golden. He's the embodiment of hubris and entitlement, so combined with his gender and presumed skin color, he'd make the perfect villain for SJWs.
That's kind of my point. It's like they read to the point where Tar-Miriel takes the throne (briefly) and missed how Ar-Pharazon usurped it, and how he eventually screwed everything up.

There's a sad irony too. Before Ar-Pharazon decided to try and invade Valinor, he rolled into Middle Earth and basically pwned Sauron's forces so badly they deserted. The Numenoreans brought Sauron back home in chains. Yes, it was a very, very bad decision, but holy shit the brass balls that would take.

What's bizarre is one of the showrunners (McKay) states they can't contradict works they don't have the rights to, and then they turn around and do this? Huh?
And then Ar-Pharazôn attacked the gods, and they got so pissed they changed the shape of the entire world so nobody could sail to the divine realms anymore. He's basically the 2nd Age's answer to Feanor.

I suppose without more information, it's plausible they're starting with Tar-Miriel, and Ar-Pharazôn will be introduced as a villain who usurps the throne
Perhaps, but I suspect they'll have a problem with dueling narratives: evil white guy (Ar-Pharazon) versus strong independent womyn (Tar-Miriel). Can't have the evil white guy getting the upper hand even temporarily, let alone have a moment of triumph.
One of these days they might realize that a victory over a laughably incompetent villain feels empty compared to a victory against a competent and capable villain. Or that winning at everything isn't as interesting as a story where the hero faces challenges and setbacks.

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #169 on: March 03, 2022, 07:00:02 PM »
They've actually said somewhere what they're doing with Tar-Miriel, but I forget in what interview.  But it has something to do with her being the heroine who sees through Sauron's lies and emerges as leader of the faithful IIRC.

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #170 on: March 03, 2022, 08:21:26 PM »
They've actually said somewhere what they're doing with Tar-Miriel, but I forget in what interview.  But it has something to do with her being the heroine who sees through Sauron's lies and emerges as leader of the faithful IIRC.

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #171 on: March 03, 2022, 10:39:00 PM »
Actually, they are making Miriel the ruler & making Ar-Pharazon just her adviser.

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« Reply #172 on: March 23, 2022, 12:44:36 PM »
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And the relationships were DULL--specially the one between Aragorn and Arwen, which was barely even touched on and we basically had to be TOLD that the relationship was there. I always felt that Aragorn and Eowyn worked better precisely because she got orders of magnitude more pages in the book--with actual interactions with Aragorn--than Arwen ever did. Hell, she was the ONLY female character with any meaningful role or significant involvement in the book, as far as I recall (it's been like two decades by now). Aragorn's involvement with Arwen felt predetermined, like Tolkien chose that it was going to happen before hand no matter what actually transpired in the actual pages.

But that's perfectly fine. Because it is not a book about Aragorn and Arwen. If there was such book then whole LOTR would be like third book of such trilogy or smth.
Whole point is - this is not book about their romance, but it exists as part of Aragorn history. Aragorn had his character arc before LOTR basically. And that's what's structurally awesome and more subvertive compared to modern novels than any GoT shit.

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Two movies? Would that have been better? It's still one movie too many. The book stood on its own, for what 15 years before even LOTR was published, let alone the later hooh-ha. No "lore" needed. Alluded to, sure, but not needed. In fact, better for only being alluded to. In my opinion, a missed opportunity to make one great movie instead of three (or two) tedious ones.

I doubt it would work. "Hobbit" as a book is recollection of actual dangerous adventure of quite epic scope, including major battle, death of one of last wyrms, restoration of Erebor and Dale kingdoms (that will later stop invasion of Easterlings during War of Ring.) told in-verse by Bilbo Baggins to hobbit children basically. Simplified and colored vision of events. Could work that way if Hobbit was filmed before LOTR. Would not after. The problem is - where they could delve deeper into lore and mood, they delved into pointless overblown action scenes instead - which TBH was also sin of LOTR 2 and 3, too much time spend on batalistic.

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Jackson's female Dwarves on those movies are easily distinguished from the males. But they do have beards.

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It's not an epic prequel to LOTR, and trying to shoehorn it into one... well we all saw how that turned out.

If you strop it of Bilbo jokes clearly ment for children, it is kinda epic prequel, and with LOTR appendixes one could relatively easily make it as such.
Problem is Hobbits action is terribly overblown, it's drunk over CGI epicness, not to mention utterly uncessary side scenes.


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It's a mythology for England, yes the skin color is an issue.

It started as such, but evolved into quite something different. Good example will be - in any mythos ancient heroes are meant to be ancestors of people telling myths. Greek heroes were Greek, and they lived in Greece, Nordic berserkers from sagas lived in Scandinavia generally, Ilya Muromets in Russia. They were relatively little removed.

Tolkien evolved past it. Let's note - while hobbits speak English and Rohirrim Old English it's presented by Tolkien himself as translation from language spoken pre-Ice Age, language that's not even remotely simmilar to German or English (see original names of hobbits, or names of Numenorean kings). There is no even clear connection like in Conan books, it's mere translation of some archaic myth of different time and culture. If he wanted it to be English mythology (bit a folly considering English are simply speaking West Germans and they participate in Germanic mythos) well that's place where it fails.

But more importantly for a case - even if it was meant to be truly English - it means nothing for dwarves, because dwarves, like ents, orcs and dragons are not even human. I mean hobbits are ok, but not the rest of group. And Tolkien purposefuly modeled dwarves after Jews both in terms of language and using certain positive and negative stereotypes about Jewishness.
So I think we can clearly say - even if this world is meant to be English - the dwarves they are well Not-English element in this fantasy.

Honestly problem is more that they do not give dwarves any specific look. They gonna be Seatlle random bag. If they looked coherently as race, then let's say casting Ethiopians to play them would be fine. But instead by have other than black princess, random Jackson film like dwarves (Jackson dwarves design was also terribly and taken from D&D and Warhammer more than Tolkien) so it's diversity for diversity sake. And for that fuck those people.

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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #173 on: March 23, 2022, 07:06:34 PM »

Maybe because they hired an intimacy coordinator? Add to that he wants his own GoT and you get justified fears they'll make it as pornographic as they can.

Well the script for the unmade LOTR movie has a bit in it where Frodo is banging Galadriel. So not an unfounded fear at all.

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« Reply #174 on: March 23, 2022, 07:35:28 PM »

Maybe because they hired an intimacy coordinator? Add to that he wants his own GoT and you get justified fears they'll make it as pornographic as they can.

Well the script for the unmade LOTR movie has a bit in it where Frodo is banging Galadriel. So not an unfounded fear at all.

Is that where he shows her The One Cock Ring to Rule Them All?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.  But even a porn version of LOTR would be better than what Amazon is doing.

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« Reply #175 on: March 23, 2022, 07:37:31 PM »
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Well the script for the unmade LOTR movie has a bit in it where Frodo is banging Galadriel. So not an unfounded fear at all.

I mean is that so much shocking - that halfling is shagging a gnome? Seems kinda normal.
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Re: The first Amazon’s “The Woke of the Ring” pictures drop
« Reply #176 on: March 23, 2022, 08:55:24 PM »

Maybe because they hired an intimacy coordinator? Add to that he wants his own GoT and you get justified fears they'll make it as pornographic as they can.

Well the script for the unmade LOTR movie has a bit in it where Frodo is banging Galadriel. So not an unfounded fear at all.

Is that where he shows her The One Cock Ring to Rule Them All?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.  But even a porn version of LOTR would be better than what Amazon is doing.

If I wanted to consume such I bet there's already some in the market, rule 34 exists for a reason.
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« Reply #177 on: March 23, 2022, 08:56:22 PM »
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Well the script for the unmade LOTR movie has a bit in it where Frodo is banging Galadriel. So not an unfounded fear at all.

I mean is that so much shocking - that halfling is shagging a gnome? Seems kinda normal.

Only if the halfling is a Bard. Also Galadriel is an Elf but who cares at this point.
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« Reply #178 on: March 23, 2022, 09:05:39 PM »
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Only if the halfling is a Bard. Also Galadriel is an Elf but who cares at this point.

Yes. An Elf. Specifically - a Noldo. Ergo a Gnome.
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