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Star Wars, no one is watching.

Started by Ratman_tf, February 14, 2025, 09:36:32 PM

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hedgehobbit

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May 11, 2025, 05:14:14 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 01, 2025, 09:48:24 AMIf only there were other franchises that offered a similar experience to Star Wars and weren't canceled or driven into the ground by corpos.

The reason Star Wars was such a huge success when it came out was that it was different from everything else out there. Mainstream Sci-fi at the time was generally depressing and overly thinky. SW was fun, like much of the B-movie scifi of the period, but it actually looked good. Compare Star Wars to At The Earth's Core which came out the year prior.

This is why I'm convinced that trying to copy Star Wars (even by Disney) will never produce the excitement that the original Star Wars did. You've got to do something completely different.

Ratman_tf

#61
Today at 02:55:52 AM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on May 11, 2025, 05:14:14 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 01, 2025, 09:48:24 AMIf only there were other franchises that offered a similar experience to Star Wars and weren't canceled or driven into the ground by corpos.

The reason Star Wars was such a huge success when it came out was that it was different from everything else out there. Mainstream Sci-fi at the time was generally depressing and overly thinky. SW was fun, like much of the B-movie scifi of the period, but it actually looked good. Compare Star Wars to At The Earth's Core which came out the year prior.

This is why I'm convinced that trying to copy Star Wars (even by Disney) will never produce the excitement that the original Star Wars did. You've got to do something completely different.


And the reason Star Wars exists is because Lucas couldn't get the rights to make a Flash Gordon movie.

Disney bought Star Wars, but they couldn't buy Lucas's love for the genre and desire to tell a fun space adventure movie.
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BoxCrayonTales

#62
Today at 09:05:51 AM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on May 11, 2025, 05:14:14 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 01, 2025, 09:48:24 AMIf only there were other franchises that offered a similar experience to Star Wars and weren't canceled or driven into the ground by corpos.

The reason Star Wars was such a huge success when it came out was that it was different from everything else out there. Mainstream Sci-fi at the time was generally depressing and overly thinky. SW was fun, like much of the B-movie scifi of the period, but it actually looked good. Compare Star Wars to At The Earth's Core which came out the year prior.

This is why I'm convinced that trying to copy Star Wars (even by Disney) will never produce the excitement that the original Star Wars did. You've got to do something completely different.

How?

Mass Effect is the most recent franchise to be created (what others are there?) and it's a lazy throwback to mid-20th century pulps with a crappy ending that retroactively ruins it.

I think TSR's Star*Drive was the last contender to be created (feel free to suggest others). It's not a clone of an existing story like Dune, Star Trek, Star Wars or Buck Rodgers. The politics, tech, and bioethics are very different from those other settings.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like anybody can worldbuild creative settings anymore. All the scifi ttrpgs that I could find are either Dune clones (Traveller, Fading Suns, Coriolis, etc) or weird posthumanist screed.

Kiero

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Today at 11:25:19 AM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on Today at 09:05:51 AMUnfortunately, it doesn't seem like anybody can worldbuild creative settings anymore. All the scifi ttrpgs that I could find are either Dune clones (Traveller, Fading Suns, Coriolis, etc) or weird posthumanist screed.

Which is what happens when most "creatives" are woketards. They're incapable of creating anything new, only rehashing what has been.
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HappyDaze

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Today at 12:15:32 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on Today at 09:05:51 AM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on May 11, 2025, 05:14:14 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 01, 2025, 09:48:24 AMIf only there were other franchises that offered a similar experience to Star Wars and weren't canceled or driven into the ground by corpos.

The reason Star Wars was such a huge success when it came out was that it was different from everything else out there. Mainstream Sci-fi at the time was generally depressing and overly thinky. SW was fun, like much of the B-movie scifi of the period, but it actually looked good. Compare Star Wars to At The Earth's Core which came out the year prior.

This is why I'm convinced that trying to copy Star Wars (even by Disney) will never produce the excitement that the original Star Wars did. You've got to do something completely different.

How?

Mass Effect is the most recent franchise to be created (what others are there?) and it's a lazy throwback to mid-20th century pulps with a crappy ending that retroactively ruins it.

I think TSR's Star*Drive was the last contender to be created (feel free to suggest others). It's not a clone of an existing story like Dune, Star Trek, Star Wars or Buck Rodgers. The politics, tech, and bioethics are very different from those other settings.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like anybody can worldbuild creative settings anymore. All the scifi ttrpgs that I could find are either Dune clones (Traveller, Fading Suns, Coriolis, etc) or weird posthumanist screed.
The Expanse novel series led to a streaming series, a comic book series and an RPG line. It's certainly doesn't have the scope of Star Wars, but it's something.

Kiero

#65
Today at 03:10:35 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on Today at 12:15:32 PMThe Expanse novel series led to a streaming series, a comic book series and an RPG line. It's certainly doesn't have the scope of Star Wars, but it's something.

It was a set of notes for an MMO, then a play-by-post RPG before it was a novel series. The novels came from characters and events in the RPG.
Currently running: Tyche\'s Favourites, a historical ACKS campaign set around Massalia in 300BC.

Our podcast site, In Sanity We Trust Productions.

BoxCrayonTales

#66
Today at 04:06:28 PM
Quote from: Kiero on Today at 11:25:19 AMWhich is what happens when most "creatives" are woketards. They're incapable of creating anything new, only rehashing what has been.
Creativity commonly involves doing old things in new ways. For example, Star*Drive very intentionally uses a lot of familiar tropes, but executes them in a way that feels distinct from other settings. As a Hungarian review I read said, it's somewhere between the melodramatic space opera of Star Wars and the harsher realism of Traveller.

Quote from: HappyDaze on Today at 12:15:32 PMThe Expanse novel series led to a streaming series, a comic book series and an RPG line. It's certainly doesn't have the scope of Star Wars, but it's something.
It reminds me of Jovian Chronicles without the mechs. Exploring solar system politics is older than people seem to think.
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