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Kiero:
This series starts today. I'm cautiously optimistic, if only because besides The Mandalorian, Rogue One was the only good thing they've made recently. All the other movies - sequels, Han Solo, etc were complete shite.

Assuming they don't go woke-crazy, they can't really fuck that up too much. Amazed they greenlit a series which features an ostensibly straight male protagonist as the lead.

I ground my way through three episodes of the excrable Obi Wan (turn a badass hero into a broken down loser, that'll make everyone excited!) before giving up. So a low bar for this to cross.

Shrieking Banshee:
If you want more STAR WARSTM in the same way you want a big mac, then I can see being optimistic for Andor.

If STAR WARS is about some expansive universe and focusing on growing it and telling stories within itself that have not been experienced before, then andor is more mediocre slurry.

I am sick to fucking death of Empire V Rebels disposable pablum.

BoxCrayonTales:
Disney could have drawn upon the EU that had grown around the IP, but instead they decided to discard it completely.

One of the problems with Disney's SW shows is that they can't create anything that stands on its own. Everything has to be a sequel, or a prequel, or an interquel, or explore the adventures of a movie character, etc. Even the Mandalorian suffers from being an offbrand Boba Fett show with cameos by legacy characters.

The animated anthology Visions is the only production that doesn't suffer this problem. While it does feature the Empire, the jedi, and the sith to the exclusion of other potential plots, it doesn't feature any legacy characters. Unsurprisingly, this happened because Disney gave the directors complete creative freedom. Some of the stories don't feel appropriate for the universe, like the jedi prodigy who slices a Super Duper Deluxe Star Destroyer in half with his lightsaber while breathing in space like Captain Marvel. But overall it shows a fraction of the potential that Disney fails to explore.

But to be entirely honest, trying to turn SW into an EU franchise was doomed to failure from the start because it was never intended to be one. If you want a franchise universe, then you have to build it from the start as one, like how original TTRPG sandbox settings are designed. You need to build in plot hooks and so forth, otherwise the writers will be left hanging and not have any idea what would be appropriate for the overall tone of the universe.

Multimedia franchises that were developed ad hoc by accumulating various detritus from various writers over the decades will always be inferior to settings that were created to be sandboxes from the start. You can see countless examples of this in how every franchise that develops this way falls apart quickly. Alien, Terminator, Predator, MCU, SW, etc.

Not only that, but even if you do start with a detailed sandbox setting you still need competent people to develop for it. Games Workshop has Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40,000 but has consistently failed to develop any of it into a multimedia franchise despite the setting's incredible (and underutilized) flexibility. Rather than focusing on how you can tell novelty stories involving all the really weird but interesting stuff that appears nowhere else in the setting, the games and streaming shows have used only the clich├ęs of the setting.

Shrieking Banshee:

--- Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on September 21, 2022, 11:12:21 AM ---Disney could have drawn upon the EU that had grown around the IP, but instead they decided to discard it completely.

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Lots of the EU is just repetative and bad....But then Disney makes content that feels exactly like that repetative filler content.
Its like they removed the EU not to make something better, but so they could just do it again. 'That Dark Empire comic is deep garbage. Lets just jumble it up and make it into a movie'.

Thornhammer:

--- Quote from: Kiero on September 21, 2022, 05:32:40 AM ---This series starts today. I'm cautiously optimistic, if only because besides The Mandalorian, Rogue One was the only good thing they've made recently. All the other movies - sequels, Han Solo, etc were complete shite.

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I'm still surprised that The Book of Boba Fett was so disappointing. The best episode was an episode of someone else's series.

Andor might be better since I'm not going into this one with a lot of expectations. We'll see. Andor is tonight's featured episode on Stationary Bike Theater.

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