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Author Topic: [Star Wars] Andor  (Read 1547 times)

jeff37923

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Re: [Star Wars] Andor
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2022, 09:37:52 AM »
I love Star Wars, but Andor has got some of the slowest pacing I've seen.
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Re: [Star Wars] Andor
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2022, 12:09:09 PM »
Folding Dark Empire into the EU was, IMO, a mistake, and the first sign of the 'include everything' approach that I think wound up handicapping it--keeping material consistent is a good goal, but trying to retroactively incorporate things that hadn't been taken account of earlier caused more headaches than they were worth.

On one hand I absolutely agree with this. On the other hand it prevents multiverse crap from happening where nobody has to care about previous events - ever. Instead of at the very least tangentially new stories, watch Luke defeat vader in 30000000000000 different ways (the Marvel Method).

And I think it was a reviled book writer (Kevin J Anderson I think) who folded the comics and added the idiocy of Dark Horse into the EU forever more.
KJA? Of course it would be the same idiot who turned Dune into a farce. I known Frank had his own flaws, but despite those Dune is able to hold itself together relatively well because it was written with specific themes and messages in mind. I don't get the impression that KJA even understands what themes are, much less is able to use them to inform his writing. His books all feel like they were written simply to make a profit off the IP, even though everything he adds is shitty and goes against the original lore and themes. That fucking idiot ruined fan discussions forever because now everybody who isn't an erudite thinks the Butlerian Jihad was against offbrand Skynet when Dune itself literally states that it was against attitudes. In one of the later books Alia outright states that AIs are incapable of rebelling against their masters and therefore are perfectly trustworthy. Argh

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Re: [Star Wars] Andor
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2022, 12:29:25 PM »
That fucking idiot ruined fan discussions forever because now everybody who isn't an erudite thinks the Butlerian Jihad was against offbrand Skynet when Dune itself literally states that it was against attitudes.

Oh? Tell me more. I liked some dune things in theory, but I didn't read the books because the writing style didn't click with me.

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Re: [Star Wars] Andor
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2022, 06:46:43 PM »
Episode three is an improvement, I’ll give it that.

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Re: [Star Wars] Andor
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2022, 07:29:34 PM »
Is it worse than Book of Boba Fett, in terms of pacing?

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Re: [Star Wars] Andor
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2022, 07:48:07 PM »
As bad if not worse, yes.

If you go in expecting something like the pacing of a British espionage program, you might set yourself up for a better experience.

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Re: [Star Wars] Andor
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2022, 05:48:05 PM »
Two episodes in, and I don't mind the pacing. I was told from the off it's a spy thriller, not an action show, so that's what I expect.
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Re: [Star Wars] Andor
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2022, 10:42:38 PM »
I'm really liking it so far.  If I have a complaint it's that the flashbacks to his childhood are a little odd.  I think it's a timing thing but they just cut to them and for the first couple you're not quite sure if it's flashbacks or something eles going on at the same time and once you're sure they're flashbacks, you're not sure who is in them.  It gets clearer as it goes but something about it doesn't quite click for me.

The Mandelorean was okay but often felt like self parody.  Self parody is okay but don't expect anyone to take you seriously ever again.  I did like when he came back from the job and the Jawas had stripped his ship down to the frame.

I didn't mind Obi Wan but it all felt a bit pointless.  Little Leia will probably be a mega star when she grows up.

The Book of Boba Fett had about one good thing, and that's when he crawls out of the Sarrlaac and collapses and the Jawas come along and steal his boots.
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Re: [Star Wars] Andor
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2022, 08:07:58 AM »
Eight episodes in, and I'm enjoying this show. It has the thinnest veneer of Star Wars possible, but it's engaging in it's own right.

The way the work/prison was done is excellent. Very believable that a cruel and efficient mind could have concocted this way of getting labour out of prisoners.
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Re: [Star Wars] Andor
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2022, 10:59:33 AM »
That fucking idiot ruined fan discussions forever because now everybody who isn't an erudite thinks the Butlerian Jihad was against offbrand Skynet when Dune itself literally states that it was against attitudes.

Oh? Tell me more. I liked some dune things in theory, but I didn't read the books because the writing style didn't click with me.

It's probably in the appendixes to the original Dune, but I know in God Emperor of Dune, Leto II blatantly states that the Butlerian Jihad was as much a war on the machine mind (way of thinking) as much as the machines themselves.

KJ Anderson getting it wrong, I can understand. But Brian Herbert interpreting it as a bunch of rampaging AI is comically bad. Like waving a flag that says "I don't understand Dune."
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Re: [Star Wars] Andor
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2022, 07:38:34 AM »
11 episodes in and this is pretty good. The inevitable prison break was gripping. The ratcheting sense of threat for those who would align themselves against the power of the Empire is palpable.
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