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Author Topic: She-Ra reboot has majority LGBTQ+ cast  (Read 7339 times)

kosmos1214

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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2018, 10:28:25 PM »
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Yeah they did a reboot of the powerpuff girls, but instead of saving the city each episode the girls deal with slice of life drama.

The power puff girls reboot also went over like A lead duck.
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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2018, 03:30:25 PM »
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Interestingly chibi isn't used near as much in comedy anime as in teen titans go.

Dragon Half was my first exposure to that. According to Fred Patten, who passed away earlier this month, the creators were approached by ADV I think to do more episodes. But the production crew had moved on and divided since. And I kept missing the SD Gundam and Super Robot Wars stuff.

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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2018, 04:27:34 PM »
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Yeah they did a reboot of the powerpuff girls, but instead of saving the city each episode the girls deal with slice of life drama.

So...there's four PPG now.

Twitch.

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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2018, 12:39:12 PM »
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So...there's four PPG now.

Twitch.

Think so. The original series. Two one-offs. And now this thing called Powderpuff Girls but with less superheroing and more school highjinks and, ass twerking. Because... who the fuck knows why? CN has not acted in a sane manner in years now. Just look at the butcher job they did to this latest TMNT series.

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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2018, 10:28:22 PM »
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Dragon Half was my first exposure to that. According to Fred Patten, who passed away earlier this month, the creators were approached by ADV I think to do more episodes. But the production crew had moved on and divided since. And I kept missing the SD Gundam and Super Robot Wars stuff.

Yeah though when the series creator is caught with psychedelic shooms you can see where it could end up that way.
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2018, 12:54:44 AM »
MD Geist fared better. CPM payed for new animation to fix up the anime and then bankrolled MD Geist 2.

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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2019, 05:53:33 PM »
In retrospect, the controversy is overblown and the showrunners and mainstream media threw gasoline on it.

So it seems that some people were concerned that Adora was a boyish waif, before the show even came out. The media called then entitled manchildren and pedophiles.

Tumblr artists drew art in support of the show, which generally depicted Adora as more feminine than she is in the actual show.

When the show came out, the media lauded it solely for the cast being all queer rather than the actual writing (which is generally mediocre). The fans now fetishize Adora/Catra (who are both CHILDREN); ironic considering that the media previously mocked critics as pedophiles.

The showrunners mocked the original series (which has a notable LGBT following) and virtued signaled about how diverse they were. Also, they seem to have graduated from the Cal Arts school of terrible design. The animation is atrocious.

Mattel wants nothing to do with the show. All their merchandise has been focused on the 80s cartoons. (Poor poor 00s reboot, we knew ye well. Well, not really.) I expect they will pull the plug as soon as the contract expires and make a new reboot to sell merchandise, and probably hire Studio Mir to animate.

Basically, a bunch of tumblr artists took an established IP and decided to use it as window dressing for their personal tumblr cartoon and didn't care about how this would alienate the existing fans or appeal to anyone who isn't a tumblrite, without even talking to the people who actually own the IP they are licensing. When questioned, they responded with predictable vitriol and hypocrisy.

As far as qualitative criticism goes, I find it trivially easy to shred this show on its own merits. Mostly because it was written by a clearly inexperienced team who didn't really know what they wanted to do besides code the majority cast as LGBT+.

The world building is terrible. We are expected to believe the Horde is at war with the monarchies, yet we rarely see evidence of this beyond lipservice and problems of the week. Both sides are using child soldiers for high ranking positions, which implies either incredible stupidity on the part of Hordak and the monarchy or that the previous conflicts killed off most of the adult soldiers (which in a realistic setting would be a big deal). Yet the child soldiers generally act like teenagers, not spartans or sardukar like you would expect. The world building is just terrible and indicates the writers are completely ignorant of military scifi.

She-Ra is nothing more than an LGBT+ rom-com soap opera masquerading as an edgy kid's show. This makes it fail at all those genres.

It's offensive to heterosexual cisgirls and transgirls because it implicitly assumes you cannot be a strong female character without being gay and butch. Even the SwanQueen pairing in the OUAT fandom felt perfectly natural given Swan and Regina's interactions and many hardships over the first few seasons, and both of them were canonically heterosexual and suffered from a "Cartwright curse" (their every boyfriend was doomed to die).

The Catra/Adora ship is creepy on so many levels. They're kids (pedophilia alert!), they're foster sisters (incest alert!), and child soldiers. Even ignoring that, they have no romantic chemistry. Their "relationship" is forced by the writers to get brownie points from the media (much like how OUAT's later crappier seasons infamously had Red Riding Hood and Dorothy Gale fall in love after knowing each other for all of five minutes). It never develops naturally and is at creepy odds with their sisterly interactions. Their childhood flashback episode highlights this. Their touchy-feely interactions in the FIRST episode feel like siblings, not potential romantic partners. They literally shared the same bed their whole lives. Seriously, has tumblr never heard of the Westermark effect? It is impossible for two people to have a lifetime relationship that isn't sexual?

So, yeah, I think the show is mediocre, the fandom is perverse, and the media is incompetent.

Even so, I did find myself liking the new Enraptra. Probably because I always loved non-evil mad scientist characters, and not because the show did anything original.

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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2019, 09:45:44 PM »
Sounds like the controversy was right on the money.

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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2019, 12:29:05 AM »
Once again the critics against political correctness for the sake of political correctness are in the right.

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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2019, 12:58:05 PM »
She-Ra certainly has colorful characters, but the plots are weak. All the non-political reviews that actually review the writing, of which there are very few, agree on this. It isn't abysmal but it certainly isn't memorable. I can remember watching a fair amount of Hilda (another Netflix original with a heroine), but not much of She-Ra despite binging it all. Hilda is a much more interesting show to me.

She-Ra could have been a decent feminist heroine that appealed to boys and girls. Even in the 80s She-Ra was an Amazon goddess (and only misogynists dislike Amazons). Her figure may have been absurd/toyetic and she somehow ran around in heels, but she was the Xena of her time. (I loved the Xena show.) Not only that, but she celebrated feminity by having the same animal friendship powers as Disney princesses. According to a study from the 80s, young boys thought she was the perfect role model, girlfriend and mother figure. Is it hard to see why? Exploring the growth of that heroine from her teen years with the benefit of 30+ years of technical and writing improvement could have been great.

The most annoying part of this manufactroversy is that I WANT a cartoon with an openly LGBTQ+ hero. The problem is that studios hire writers who are either ignoramuses (leading to the many queerbaiting debacles) or tumblrinas (who have little/no experience in writing good). I understand an openly queer protagonist would result in the right-wing media attacking the show and the countries in which queers are butchered will ban the show. That is not a good reason not to put in genuine effort into good writing. Anyone who browses fanfiction.net, wattpad or ao3 will notice that the vast majority of amateur fiction is male/male romance (cis or otherwise) written by straight women. Simply from a business perspective, that is a big untapped demographic.

Using the Mattel properties as an example... I'm know I'm probably going to get flak for even suggesting this but please hear me out. This may come as a shock, but the Greek heroes were bisexual and polyamorous. They had wives at home, boy lovers on the battlefield, and onetime flings with beautiful women. That sort of thing sounds anathema to modern straight and LGBT+ conceptions of romance as monogamous and closed, but back then the Greek hero was considered the paragon of masculinity. (Heroines are much rarer, but did exist.)

He-Man did, and still does, have a female and a queer following. Would it be so wrong to write him after the classical Greek bisexual hero?

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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2019, 01:38:56 PM »
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Using the Mattel properties as an example... I'm know I'm probably going to get flak for even suggesting this but please hear me out. This may come as a shock, but the Greek heroes were bisexual and polyamorous. They had wives at home, boy lovers on the battlefield, and onetime flings with beautiful women. That sort of thing sounds anathema to modern straight and LGBT+ conceptions of romance as monogamous and closed, but back then the Greek hero was considered the paragon of masculinity. (Heroines are much rarer, but did exist.)

He-Man did, and still does, have a female and a queer following. Would it be so wrong to write him after the classical Greek bisexual hero?

As always, I think it depends on how the writers handle it. Are we talking about He-Man running around fucking everything? I don't think that's approrpriate for a kid's cartoon, no matter the orientation of the characters.
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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2019, 12:20:09 PM »
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As always, I think it depends on how the writers handle it. Are we talking about He-Man running around fucking everything? I don't think that's approrpriate for a kid's cartoon, no matter the orientation of the characters.


What are you smoking and where can I get some? Kid's shows tackle platonic crushes and platonic romances all the time.

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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2019, 03:24:28 PM »
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What are you smoking and where can I get some? Kid's shows tackle platonic crushes and platonic romances all the time.

That's not what I'm talking about. How blatant a sexuality are we talking about? Showing He-Man walking into a tent, taking off his fuzzy briches while a 12 year old boy lounges on a couch?
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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2019, 03:38:36 PM »
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That's not what I'm talking about. How blatant a sexuality are we talking about? Showing He-Man walking into a tent, taking off his fuzzy briches while a 12 year old boy lounges on a couch?


How blatantly is heterosexual romantic attraction typically portrayed in children's media? Blushing and kissing are commonplace. Why should that change if the object of affection is the same sex?

Cartoons like Adventure Time and Steven Universe have already included gay kisses. The latter even had a gay wedding episode.

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« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2019, 02:11:50 AM »
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How blatantly is heterosexual romantic attraction typically portrayed in children's media? Blushing and kissing are commonplace. Why should that change if the object of affection is the same sex?

Cartoons like Adventure Time and Steven Universe have already included gay kisses. The latter even had a gay wedding episode.

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boy lovers on the battlefield,

How would a children's cartoon portray He-Man and his "boy lover"?
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