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Author Topic: She-Ra reboot has majority LGBTQ+ cast  (Read 7090 times)

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Re: She-Ra reboot has majority LGBTQ+ cast
« Reply #75 on: September 01, 2020, 10:45:22 PM »
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What does any of that have to do with She-Ra fighting the Evil Horde? You make it sound like a shitshow of identity politics and not a fun kid's adventure show.

Everything I've heard about the show--including the gushing over on TBP--makes it sound like 'progressive teen angst fest and shipping drama' is more what they were going for.


Surely automatic disagreement with people you hate is better than a qualified opinion based on direct observation. 
When I say objectively, I mean 'subjectively'.  When I say literally, I mean 'figuratively'.  
And when I say that you are a horse's ass, I mean that the objective truth is that you are a literal horse's ass.

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« Reply #76 on: September 01, 2020, 10:49:13 PM »
Surely automatic disagreement with people you hate is better than a qualified opinion based on direct observation.


Actually BoxCrayon agreed with them on said point. But your a deeply intelectually disengenous dick so you don't care.

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« Reply #77 on: September 02, 2020, 08:05:56 AM »
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What does any of that have to do with She-Ra fighting the Evil Horde? You make it sound like a shitshow of identity politics and not a fun kid's adventure show.

Everything I've heard about the show--including the gushing over on TBP--makes it sound like 'progressive teen angst fest and shipping drama' is more what they were going for.


Surely automatic disagreement with people you hate is better than a qualified opinion based on direct observation.


I watched the whole show. It didn’t impress. If you want a good 80s reboot, then watch 2002 He-Man or 2011 Thundercats.

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Re: She-Ra reboot has majority LGBTQ+ cast
« Reply #78 on: September 02, 2020, 08:41:18 AM »
Surely automatic disagreement with people you hate is better than a qualified opinion based on direct observation.


Actually BoxCrayon agreed with them on said point. But your a deeply intelectually disengenous dick so you don't care.


Which is why I quoted Armchair Gamer  and responded to his message, and not BoxCrayon's post.  But you're an intellectually disingenuous dick who apparently doesn't care enough to use spell correct. 
When I say objectively, I mean 'subjectively'.  When I say literally, I mean 'figuratively'.  
And when I say that you are a horse's ass, I mean that the objective truth is that you are a literal horse's ass.

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« Reply #79 on: September 02, 2020, 08:59:06 AM »
Can we not do this? Please?

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Re: She-Ra reboot has majority LGBTQ+ cast
« Reply #80 on: September 02, 2020, 10:16:32 AM »
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What does any of that have to do with She-Ra fighting the Evil Horde? You make it sound like a shitshow of identity politics and not a fun kid's adventure show.

Everything I've heard about the show--including the gushing over on TBP--makes it sound like 'progressive teen angst fest and shipping drama' is more what they were going for.


Surely automatic disagreement with people you hate is better than a qualified opinion based on direct observation.



  You assume too much--it wasn't 'automatic disagreement' so much as it was an observation based on acknowledged secondhand information, including from a source meant to be called out as positive towards the material.


  As for direct observation %u2026 I don't have Netflix, I don't like streaming services, and the show looks to be something I wouldn't enjoy and whose creators have been actively hostile towards me (as a member of various demographics) for numerous reasons. Why should I waste my time and money on it? I have enough interest and overlap to have observed certain things about the show, based on secondary sources, that appeared to be relevant to the conversation, but I have nothing further to contribute and no real desire to do so.
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« Reply #81 on: September 02, 2020, 01:33:52 PM »
Apparently Noelle had a joke circling among the crew (who were all white women) where they joked about inserting a black slave working on a plantation into the show. The commitment to diversity was clearly never genuine.


Meanwhile, actually interesting pitches like Astur's Rebellion (which is basically Avatar meets The Arabian Nights) get rejected literally for having a black lead.

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« Reply #82 on: September 02, 2020, 01:51:34 PM »
Apparently Noelle had a joke circling among the crew (who were all white women) where they joked about inserting a black slave working on a plantation into the show. The commitment to diversity was clearly never genuine.



   Look, I think I've demonstrated I'm not a fan and not really qualified to do deep commentary, but I had enough schadenfreude to follow up on this when it blew up and from what I gathered, it's really not as bad as you're making out. Apparently the joke was about a bunch of Bow's siblings having names that rhymed with his, one of them being 'Sow' and a farmer, and looking like a stereotypical American farmer. This seems to have been judged offensive, but there was no direct or explicit association of 'slavery' or 'plantation.'

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Re: She-Ra reboot has majority LGBTQ+ cast
« Reply #83 on: September 02, 2020, 03:07:02 PM »
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What does any of that have to do with She-Ra fighting the Evil Horde? You make it sound like a shitshow of identity politics and not a fun kid's adventure show.

Everything I've heard about the show--including the gushing over on TBP--makes it sound like 'progressive teen angst fest and shipping drama' is more what they were going for.


Surely automatic disagreement with people you hate is better than a qualified opinion based on direct observation.


Surely a person can form an opinion based on indirect observation. For example, the entire movie critic profession including online amateur commentators.


Normally I would be a fan of something like She-Ra. I like 80's cartoons, I liked the He-Man 2002 reboot. But reports of the direction the creators of She-Ra have taken lead me to believe that I would not like the show. I have a limited amount of free time to spend watching kid's cartoons, and so I pass until/unless I should hear some things about the show that make it seem more appealing to me.



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« Reply #84 on: September 03, 2020, 10:44:44 AM »

Look, I think I've demonstrated I'm not a fan and not really qualified to do deep commentary, but I had enough schadenfreude to follow up on this when it blew up and from what I gathered, it's really not as bad as you're making out. Apparently the joke was about a bunch of Bow's siblings having names that rhymed with his, one of them being 'Sow' and a farmer, and looking like a stereotypical American farmer. This seems to have been judged offensive, but there was no direct or explicit association of 'slavery' or 'plantation.'
Does it matter? She doesn't have any respect for She-Ra as an IP except to insert her shallow original characters and abusive last minute romance. She jumped to a position she never merited in the first place, did a terrible job at what she what hired to do, got pitches by actually competent non-white animators unfairly blacklisted, so it's only fair that she gets attacked by her own fans for something completely unrelated to the actual damage she caused.

Normally I would be a fan of something like She-Ra. I like 80's cartoons, I liked the He-Man 2002 reboot. But reports of the direction the creators of She-Ra have taken lead me to believe that I would not like the show. I have a limited amount of free time to spend watching kid's cartoons, and so I pass until/unless I should hear some things about the show that make it seem more appealing to me.
The only people it appeals to are vapid shippers who have no problem with romanticizing abusive relationships and don't care if the world building, characterization, plotting, etc is sloppy and inconsistent.

It doesn't even respect the original show. All the character designs were redone from the grown up, unnecessary original characters were crowbarred in, the cast and crew constantly mocked the original show without any self-awareness...


Mattel doesn't want anything to do with NuRa. The sheer incompetence behind it got other show pitches like Astur's Rebellion unfairly blacklisted for featuring non-white main casts.