Quote from: Wntrlnd on August 22, 2022, 07:30:16 PM
Not to mention the character in episode 11 who calls themself a feminist and is virtuesignaling like hell but really is a horrible person.

I assumed it was autobiographical.

I've lost all respect for Gaiman, it doesn't surprise me. He is very pro "political correctness" and has been since the whole woke movement started. I was reading the Elric saga and it had an intro written by him, a short story he wrote that was the cringiest most pedophilic thing I've ever read. Half the story is talking about boys masturbating and blowing their teachers at a boarding school. Literally in the text. It's soured me on just about everything he's ever touched. Still haven't started sandman for that reason

Quote from: Ocule on September 05, 2022, 07:13:53 PM
I've lost all respect for Gaiman, it doesn't surprise me. He is very pro "political correctness" and has been since the whole woke movement started. I was reading the Elric saga and it had an intro written by him, a short story he wrote that was the cringiest most pedophilic thing I've ever read. Half the story is talking about boys masturbating and blowing their teachers at a boarding school. Literally in the text. It's soured me on just about everything he's ever touched. Still haven't started sandman for that reason

The whole show to me just feels utterly forced. I don't mind diversity but when it's like a jackhammer on your skull it's so pathetic and pretensious.

I'm not surprised they toned down Calliope and added some heavy moralizing comentary.  Quite honestly I'm surprised they did it at all.

I think the woke parts, well, you can see pretty clearly how it's damned if you do damned if your don't.  If you change it you're erasing and minimizing the impact of a difficult subject and if you keep it you're clearly a bigot for reminding people about it, whatever it may be they can go after you no matter what you do.  There's a lesson in there.

But as much as it's cleaner and clearer, I think the Sandman TV show is doomed to obscurity.  The comic's rough, sharp edges drew blood and that was why it was great.  It was written in the time of liberation when the Comics Code Authority had lost all power.  Now some people want to lock things down again.  Some things never change.

Quote from: Ocule on September 05, 2022, 07:13:53 PM
I've lost all respect for Gaiman, it doesn't surprise me. He is very pro "political correctness" and has been since the whole woke movement started. I was reading the Elric saga and it had an intro written by him, a short story he wrote that was the cringiest most pedophilic thing I've ever read. Half the story is talking about boys masturbating and blowing their teachers at a boarding school. Literally in the text. It's soured me on just about everything he's ever touched. Still haven't started sandman for that reason

What the fuck? I just got that exact book and now my anticipation is soured. What a pig. If you're going to write disgusting fetish porn, then don't shoehorn it into something that isn't disgusting fetish porn.

Quote from: David Johansen on September 05, 2022, 10:05:59 PM
I'm not surprised they toned down Calliope and added some heavy moralizing comentary.  Quite honestly I'm surprised they did it at all.

I think the woke parts, well, you can see pretty clearly how it's damned if you do damned if your don't.  If you change it you're erasing and minimizing the impact of a difficult subject and if you keep it you're clearly a bigot for reminding people about it, whatever it may be they can go after you no matter what you do.  There's a lesson in there.

But as much as it's cleaner and clearer, I think the Sandman TV show is doomed to obscurity.  The comic's rough, sharp edges drew blood and that was why it was great.  It was written in the time of liberation when the Comics Code Authority had lost all power.  Now some people want to lock things down again.  Some things never change.

Actually, the feminist articles I read said that the story was improved by not actually showing the rape itself. I agree that it doesn't need to be shown.