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Rob Necronomicon

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« on: August 11, 2022, 06:35:24 AM »
I'm halfway through it... Decent enough. But clucking bell! It's THE most woke thing I've ever seen. They've literally race and gender-swapped everyone! They obviously don't like us crackers. lol

In all honesty, I usually don't mind a bit of it where appropriate, but when it's soooo freakin' blatant it really looks pathetic. And when you have well-established cannon it just seems like a bit of a kick in the teeth for the comic fans.

So Fluck off Neil Gaiman and your crew of pandering gimps at NF.

Worth a watch tho'.




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Re: Sandman
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2022, 06:42:23 AM »
I'm halfway through it... Decent enough. But clucking bell! It's THE most woke thing I've ever seen. They've literally race and gender-swapped everyone! They obviously don't like us crackers. lol

In all honesty, I usually don't mind a bit of it where appropriate, but when it's soooo freakin' blatant it really looks pathetic. And when you have well-established cannon it just seems like a bit of a kick in the teeth for the comic fans.

So Fluck off Neil Gaiman and your crew of pandering gimps at NF.

Worth a watch tho'.
Um...clucking bell, Fluck? You need to tame your autocorrect.

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Re: Sandman
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2022, 06:43:58 AM »
I'm halfway through it... Decent enough. But clucking bell! It's THE most woke thing I've ever seen. They've literally race and gender-swapped everyone! They obviously don't like us crackers. lol

In all honesty, I usually don't mind a bit of it where appropriate, but when it's soooo freakin' blatant it really looks pathetic. And when you have well-established cannon it just seems like a bit of a kick in the teeth for the comic fans.

So Fluck off Neil Gaiman and your crew of pandering gimps at NF.

Worth a watch tho'.
Um...clucking bell, Fluck? You need to tame your autocorrect.

Damn fucking auto-correct.
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2022, 08:18:27 AM »
Well, Gaiman apparently wanted it this way.

The whole racebending Death part is really silly for multiple reasons. At one point the show establishes that the Endless each look different depending on who looks at them, so Death could’ve been played by both a white actress and a black actress in different shots. Obviously that’s virtue signaling. Also, she only appears for a short period of time.

Around 3/4 of the characters who show any attraction are gay for no reason other than virtue signaling. Most don’t appear for more than one episode. The only recurring gay characters are a drag queen and a villain.

Desire’s casting was actually pretty on point, because the actor is a total creep in real life so totally sold desire being a creep.

Unfortunately, the show overall just wasn’t very strong because the storytelling is so outdated. Sometimes the dialogue is just cringy or unnatural.

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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2022, 08:55:15 AM »
Well, Gaiman apparently wanted it this way.

The whole racebending Death part is really silly for multiple reasons. At one point the show establishes that the Endless each look different depending on who looks at them, so Death could’ve been played by both a white actress and a black actress in different shots. Obviously that’s virtue signaling. Also, she only appears for a short period of time.

Around 3/4 of the characters who show any attraction are gay for no reason other than virtue signaling. Most don’t appear for more than one episode. The only recurring gay characters are a drag queen and a villain.

Desire’s casting was actually pretty on point, because the actor is a total creep in real life so totally sold desire being a creep.

Unfortunately, the show overall just wasn’t very strong because the storytelling is so outdated. Sometimes the dialogue is just cringy or unnatural.

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me that Neil was behind those decisions and egged on by Shit Flix. It feels incredibly weird watching it because every side character or minor bit part is played by POC. It feels very forced in my opinion. But Neil the trickle of piss that he is didn't have the balls to make Sandman himself black. Why not? I mean if you're ripping the shit out of your creation, why not go all out so you can level up that virtue signaling?

And as you said (virtually) everyone is gay or bi. Not because they were originally but just because 'you can'. Again it feels very odd indeed.

Again, I don't mind chopping and changing some stuf. But Sandman is so horribly blatant about it - it just feels like Neil and his cohort of gimps are really trying to sell you the purest woke-scold shit in a bottle imaginable.

Definitely worth seeing it for the visuals... I think Desire is coming in the 6th episode which I'll watch tonight.

Christ... I pray he never remakes 'Neverwhere'.








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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2022, 09:20:27 AM »
As someone that never read the comic, I'm anticipating that the complaints being discussed will do little to hurt my impressions of the show when I start watching it next week.

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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2022, 09:28:59 AM »
As someone that never read the comic, I'm anticipating that the complaints being discussed will do little to hurt my impressions of the show when I start watching it next week.

Oh, I'm not trying to tell anyone not to enjoy it. But even if you've not read the comic it's still exceedingly blatant IMO.

And again I've no problem with adding in some POC. I just don't like all the nuclear warhead-like virtue signaling.

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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2022, 11:09:39 AM »
Well, Gaiman apparently wanted it this way.

The whole racebending Death part is really silly for multiple reasons. At one point the show establishes that the Endless each look different depending on who looks at them, so Death could’ve been played by both a white actress and a black actress in different shots. Obviously that’s virtue signaling. Also, she only appears for a short period of time.

Around 3/4 of the characters who show any attraction are gay for no reason other than virtue signaling. Most don’t appear for more than one episode. The only recurring gay characters are a drag queen and a villain.

Desire’s casting was actually pretty on point, because the actor is a total creep in real life so totally sold desire being a creep.

Unfortunately, the show overall just wasn’t very strong because the storytelling is so outdated. Sometimes the dialogue is just cringy or unnatural.

Of course Gaiman "wanted it this way", we have a say7ing in spanish, no idea if there's something similar in english: "Poderoso Caballero es Don Dinero".

In short Gaiman had lot$ of rea$on$ to "want it this way", meaning he sold the rights for the TV Show and I bet the contract prohibits him from badmouthing it.
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2022, 11:18:39 AM »
In short Gaiman had lot$ of rea$on$ to "want it this way", meaning he sold the rights for the TV Show and I bet the contract prohibits him from badmouthing it.

Indeed... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

As far as I know, though, he was also quite heavily with some of the decision-making and has lashed out at a lot of peeps who've been slagging it off for it being woke as fuck. Honestly, I've never seen such pandering to the woke-scold audience before. Even more than the lack-luster American Gods series.

I'm not actually a huge fan of his with the exception of Never Where. If they made it now god knows what it would be like.
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2022, 11:29:23 AM »
In short Gaiman had lot$ of rea$on$ to "want it this way", meaning he sold the rights for the TV Show and I bet the contract prohibits him from badmouthing it.

Indeed... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

As far as I know, though, he was also quite heavily with some of the decision-making and has lashed out at a lot of peeps who've been slagging it off for it being woke as fuck. Honestly, I've never seen such pandering to the woke-scold audience before. Even more than the lack-luster American Gods series.

I'm not actually a huge fan of his with the exception of Never Where. If they made it now god knows what it would be like.

I've come to the conclusion that fans should stop being fans. Divest themselves of ANY emotional ties to IPs they don't own or control.

I've got the comic books I liked, they can't change that. As for Gaiman yeah, never was really into his stuff.
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2022, 11:33:44 AM »

I've come to the conclusion that fans should stop being fans. Divest themselves of ANY emotional ties to IPs they don't own or control.

I've got the comic books I liked, they can't change that. As for Gaiman yeah, never was really into his stuff.

Yeah, I think that's definitely the way to think about it mate. I think the days of directors trying to do an IP any justice is long gone. Now it's just about the cash and virtual twitter back slaps. Ugh!
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2022, 12:04:18 PM »

I've come to the conclusion that fans should stop being fans. Divest themselves of ANY emotional ties to IPs they don't own or control.

I've got the comic books I liked, they can't change that. As for Gaiman yeah, never was really into his stuff.

Yeah, I think that's definitely the way to think about it mate. I think the days of directors trying to do an IP any justice is long gone. Now it's just about the cash and virtual twitter back slaps. Ugh!

Something that does not usually go hand in hand.

The cash and virtue signaling I mean.

But they've got the ESG funds to avoid going broke.
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2022, 01:03:21 PM »

I've come to the conclusion that fans should stop being fans. Divest themselves of ANY emotional ties to IPs they don't own or control.

I've got the comic books I liked, they can't change that. As for Gaiman yeah, never was really into his stuff.

Yeah, I think that's definitely the way to think about it mate. I think the days of directors trying to do an IP any justice is long gone. Now it's just about the cash and virtual twitter back slaps. Ugh!

Something that does not usually go hand in hand.

The cash and virtue signaling I mean.

But they've got the ESG funds to avoid going broke.

That's true.

It's sad to see a lot of the really good IPs slipping away into becoming shadows of their former selves. I wish people would start making good shows again without all this obligatory injection of wokescold political piss.



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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2022, 03:10:22 PM »

I've come to the conclusion that fans should stop being fans. Divest themselves of ANY emotional ties to IPs they don't own or control.

I've got the comic books I liked, they can't change that. As for Gaiman yeah, never was really into his stuff.

Yeah, I think that's definitely the way to think about it mate. I think the days of directors trying to do an IP any justice is long gone. Now it's just about the cash and virtual twitter back slaps. Ugh!

Something that does not usually go hand in hand.

The cash and virtue signaling I mean.

But they've got the ESG funds to avoid going broke.

That's true.

It's sad to see a lot of the really good IPs slipping away into becoming shadows of their former selves. I wish people would start making good shows again without all this obligatory injection of wokescold political piss.

The worst part is it's now easier than ever to do so, all it takes is someone with the talent, will and able to find the money.

The last part is really the hardest. But you could totally make a 3d animated film/tv show without spending anything but your time, finding the voice actors is what would cost you money, if you're willing to invest the time/effort you could do the rest by yourself.

Then you own everything, release a chapter on YT for free and promote the hell out of it.
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Re: Sandman
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2022, 06:11:45 PM »

I've come to the conclusion that fans should stop being fans. Divest themselves of ANY emotional ties to IPs they don't own or control.

I've got the comic books I liked, they can't change that. As for Gaiman yeah, never was really into his stuff.

Yeah, I think that's definitely the way to think about it mate. I think the days of directors trying to do an IP any justice is long gone. Now it's just about the cash and virtual twitter back slaps. Ugh!

Something that does not usually go hand in hand.

The cash and virtue signaling I mean.

But they've got the ESG funds to avoid going broke.

That's true.

It's sad to see a lot of the really good IPs slipping away into becoming shadows of their former selves. I wish people would start making good shows again without all this obligatory injection of wokescold political piss.

The worst part is it's now easier than ever to do so, all it takes is someone with the talent, will and able to find the money.

The last part is really the hardest. But you could totally make a 3d animated film/tv show without spending anything but your time, finding the voice actors is what would cost you money, if you're willing to invest the time/effort you could do the rest by yourself.

Then you own everything, release a chapter on YT for free and promote the hell out of it.

Well, that's true as well. You've got KS, etc for finding funds too. Damn creative people get your acts together!

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