Quote from: jgantsAs someone who has frequently trashed Siembieda on TBP (in my capacity as the official Megaversal Critic), and never got a single warning for it, I assure you that Kevin is most certainly not off-limits as a punching bag.  I've used him for both the speed bag and the heavy bag dozens of times.  

Palladium in general, and it's fans, are pretty much open season on RPGnet, always have been, and daring object to that fact is a good way to find yourself on the fast track to bansville.

I mean, for fuck's sake, one of the moderators once started a thread that basically stated that only 13-year olds with self-esteem problems liked Palladium games.

Quote from: Dan DavenportPlease let me reiterate that I'm not speaking on behalf of the RPGnet Mods, nor am I going to try to defend any calls made in the past. (Many of which were made before I was made a Moderator anyway.)

I'm simply saying that I, personally, do not give anyone any slack for being a toady. But since you bring it up, I have no list of "Untouchables" for any other reason, either.

I understand, and it is not my intent to label you with any broad brush strokes or accuse you personally of any questionable activities.  If it came across as such, I apologize.

Quote from: Acta Est FabulaI understand, and it is not my intent to label you with any broad brush strokes or accuse you personally of any questionable activities.  If it came across as such, I apologize.

I appreciate that, Acta. But no worries: no offense taken.

Quote from: Dan DavenportFor what it's worth, and just speaking for myself, CD: I can assure you that I have no list of ass-kissers who can expect to get preferential treatment. In fact, I seldom bother to read "suck up" posts, let alone take note of who posts them.  If a person breaks a rule, s/he breaks a rule, period.

I'd never suspect otherwise, man. Never.

In fact, I would think most moderators ignore the ass-kissing.

My problem is more the vibe I get from these pile-ins. It often looks like a mob just waiting for the next hangin'. It's... uncomfortable and sometimes mean-spirited. I'm particularly thinking of this latest incident where Walker is accused of things while he's suspended.

Now, many people probably know I have my differences with Walker but... I'd never dream of accusing him of such things. Nobody who has spent anytime talking to this guy would. He just doesn't fit the homophobic retard profile.  

Quote from: Dan DavenportOn a related note, if an establishment of any sort has rules that I don't like, I generally don't frequent the establishment in question.

Yeah, that's the wisest thing to do, I guess. That's why I was never warned or banned. I still take a peak at the establishment, though. Because there's a lot of things I find interesting over there and a lot of posters I actually enjoy

Quote from: Consonant DudeIf I was Sorensen, I know what I would do: I would find gamer friends or close friends/family members and I would ask each of them to register to RPG.net under an anagram of Jared Sorensen. And I would use these people to get my message across, which is perfectly legal, I think. That would certainly get administrators over there riled up and force them to make new rulings and it would be hilarious.

Yay! Quoting myself!

I don't know if it's my fault, but Sorensen is soliciting help to pull this stunt on his LJ. And RPG.net has already been "warned" by a poster:

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=391244

http://memento-mori.livejournal.com/285765.html

I think you have to take credit for the idea, CD.  And thanks for keeping us updated.  Hijinks to ensue!

We need a name for the suck-ups.  Courtesans?  Eunuchs?  Yeah, I like courtesans.  Well, this'll bring the courtesans out, flocking around the royalty, rapiers drawn, comforting, supportive words at their lips.

Walker - you're right you need a word  - but why Courtesans??

Its almost an insult to courtesans. Historically they had more style than the people that you want to describe.


- Ed C.

Quote from: walkerpI think you have to take credit for the idea, CD.  And thanks for keeping us updated.  Hijinks to ensue!

We need a name for the suck-ups.  Courtesans?  Eunuchs?  Yeah, I like courtesans.  Well, this'll bring the courtesans out, flocking around the royalty, rapiers drawn, comforting, supportive words at their lips.

It's already taking place.

I still feel bad about this because, like his games or not (I don't), Jared designs games. He's also a positive presence in the industry, as I believe he gives seminars and apparently, is really good at it.

My suggestion was more as a way for him to keep a web presence over at RPG.net. Not through sock puppets but rather individuals who are clearly linked to him yet NOT him.

Another way to go about it which might be amusing would be for him to incorporate his company and "hire", for a nominal fees, a bunch of employees, which would include spokespersons who report "President Sorensen's thoughts on gaming matters". They could have obvious signatures to this effect and perhaps an avatar theme. I can't see how this one is against the rules.

The point is, people who frequent RPG.net has their main message boards and might be interested in Sorensen's game should be able to find information there.

Quote from: SeanchaiYeah, but anybody who has been to TBP knows that's not the case. For example, the moderators says things in red that would get other posters in trouble and it's okay for Ryan Dancey to be a punchbag, but Kevin Siembieda is off limits.

Seanchai

Mr Dancey threw plenty of punches back at me.

Quote from: walkerpWe need a name for the suck-ups.  Courtesans?  Eunuchs?  Yeah, I like courtesans.  Well, this'll bring the courtesans out, flocking around the royalty, rapiers drawn, comforting, supportive words at their lips.

Sounds more like 'courtiers'.

Still not sure why so many people are bothered (hell, personally offended) by the place. It's like going to Daily Kos and bitching about all the Obama supporters, or calling SocNet.com 'militaristic'.

It's a place for left-of-center geeks to talk to one another. It started as an RPG site; it's turned into a place for all kinds of geeky shit. At least they have the courtesy to lump the keetoms-and-vibes in Tangency, where you can ignore it if you wish, and still go to the site for RPG stuff.

Don't like it, don't read it. And, while it's nice of people to stick up for Jared Sorenson, he and his boyfriend John Wick are a pair of twats. Perhaps I misremember, but I don't recall Wick lasting long here, where he could be called on his silly shit.

Quote from: laffingboyDon't like it, don't read it. And, while it's nice of people to stick up for Jared Sorenson, he and his boyfriend John Wick are a pair of twats. Perhaps I misremember, but I don't recall Wick lasting long here, where he could be called on his silly shit.

John Wick got a shitty reception when he appeared here. It was totally undeserved. I would have stayed if I was him, but I can understand why he didn't.

Quote from: walkerpWe need a name for the suck-ups.  

Just what this hobby needs. Another made up term when plain English will do just fine.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: Consonant DudeJohn Wick got a shitty reception when he appeared here. It was totally undeserved. I would have stayed if I was him, but I can understand why he didn't.

Deserve's got nothing to do with it. The whole point of this place is that everyone's equal, with no hall monitors to run to. If you get shit on, shit back.

Serious Paul and his frat brothers came in here like a douchebags, but he stuck around and became someone interesting to read. John Wick and Gareth-Michael Skarka, for all their posing as intellectual roughnecks who can take a hit, didn't.

Quote from: David RYou joke, but I would run something like this. I feel bad for the author ....whose name I forget....but I would call this campaign : The Cult of Loving Kindness.

Regards,
David R

Actually, I really am writing this (I've been working on it for about a year, off and on). Stay tuned for more when I've got the dharma techniques finished.

Quote from: laffingboyDeserve's got nothing to do with it. The whole point of this place is that everyone's equal, with no hall monitors to run to. If you get shit on, shit back.

That is veeeery easy to say for someone like you or I. With little notoriety, you can come to a forum and slowly establish the pace of your participation. And whatever history you carry around is usually limited.

As a game designer with more history, some people will see it as a bullseye that must be hit repeatedly. We have our share of mentally defective crusaders around here who like to do that very much.

Quote from: laffingboySerious Paul and his frat brothers came in here like a douchebags, but he stuck around and became someone interesting to read. John Wick and Gareth-Michael Skarka, for all their posing as intellectual roughnecks who can take a hit, didn't.

Serious Paul is an utter asshole. A hopeless individual carrying around his negativity and offering nothing constructive.

John Wick and GMS do stuff. I might not *like* the stuff GMS does, but he does it nonethless. Maybe they didn't "take a hit" because they have better things to do than repeatedly being confronted on irrelevant issues.

That's the position I've come to adopt on this forum in recent months. I say my piece and I move on. Unfortunately, no matter how much a guy like John Wick might wish to do so, he'd never be able to do that around here.

And frankly, as a creator in an unrelated field, I don't think it's healthy at all to be confronted repeatedly on your craft. Not when people are rude and dishonest in their approach. Which was the case here.

In the end, I see their departure as a loss but as they say, mileage will vary.