Quote from: S'mon;229656snip a lot of silliness

I think you might want to adjust your tinfoil.  Seems to be cutting off circulation.

Quote from: NotYourMonkey;229785I think you might want to adjust your tinfoil.  Seems to be cutting off circulation.

Nice.

I love this - when Coulter does it, its virulent hate speech, when Pundy does it, its Gonzo.

Puhleeeze.

I wouldn't vote either of them into office, Werekoala

Please, werekoala. I've never advocated killing anyone for their RPG-related ideologies.  I've only ever suggested they should be brutally beaten with blunt objects.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Werekoala;229891I love this - when Coulter does it, its virulent hate speech, when Pundy does it, its Gonzo.

Puhleeeze.

I endorse this.

Quote from: Koltar;229768Yes...but the guy going off like that has nothing to do with radio show hosts.

He's just a nut.
The only one to blame is him.

And this. The guy was a fucking loser that lost his mind. He killed those unfortunate people like he could have kille whoever else. Let's not attribute politics to madness, it makes a disservice to us. I refuse to consider this a political action.

I am sorry for the victims and their families. Everything else is bollocks.

Quote from: Imperator;229910And this. The guy was a fucking loser that lost his mind. He killed those unfortunate people like he could have kille whoever else. Let's not attribute politics to madness, it makes a disservice to us. I refuse to consider this a political action.

I agree.

But would we be saying the same thing if the killer were a young Moslem unemployed male paying lipservice to his own particular ideology?

When your guys go nuts and kill people, it's their vile ideology. When our guys go nuts and kill people, it's just some nutter, or "a few bad apples" or whatever.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;229916I agree.

But would we be saying the same thing if the killer were a young Moslem unemployed male paying lipservice to his own particular ideology?

When your guys go nuts and kill people, it's their vile ideology. When our guys go nuts and kill people, it's just some nutter, or "a few bad apples" or whatever.

Nice attempt to distract and try to shift things.


The guy was screwed up , had nothing to do with his politics or religion.
And again YAY! for the Unitarian Universalists who tackled him...and maybe saved a few lives in doing that.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;229916When your guys go nuts and kill people, it's their vile ideology. When our guys go nuts and kill people, it's just some nutter, or "a few bad apples" or whatever.

When the vile ideology tells you to actually go out and kill innocent people, then I think it deserves some blame when people act on it.  Yes, I think the Turner Diaries are a vile piece of work and deserve some blame for Timothy McVeigh and other incidents.  Yes, I think sects of Islam that preach violence against infidels deserve some blame when people act on those ideas and commit acts of violence against infidels.  I'm at a loss, however, to see how anything in books or radio shows by mainstream conservatives like most of those mentioned (I don't consider Michael Savage mainstream) could be interpreted as a call to go out an murder innocent people, particularly those in a church.

You're both wrong.

I maintain that politics has nothing to do with this dramatic and tragic event.


 At this point, not a lot of facts are known about this event ...other than the congregation of that church seems to be a nice group of people that has a few heroes amongst them and several that know emergency procedures very well.

Here is an article from one of the TV stations local to that area with timelines related to that event.:
http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=61322&catid=2

Interesting bits from Thats article and news account:

QuoteShe then grabbed her baby and blocked the doorway to the quiet room in case the man were to attempt to get into the quiet room. She heard another gunshot or two, and then heard several men tackling the shooter right outside the quiet room door. One of the men was her husband, Jamie Parkey.

....and from that same woman's point of view:

QuoteShe says she was tremendously impressed with the calm, effective way that church members with medical training responded to the needs of the gunshot victims, treating them at the scene until help arrived.

One of the church's leaders was interviewed:

QuoteDr. John Bohstedt spoke to WBIR's John Becker about the shooting. Several eyewitnesses told WBIR that Bohstedt helped tackle the shooter, and hold him until police arrived. Bohstedt declined to comment on his own actions with regard to the suspect.

Bohstedt's granddaughter was performing in the musical "Annie," that children were performing at the front of the sanctuary when the shooting began.

"This was a day the church was looking forward to for a long time and it turned into a nightmare," Bohstedt said.  Bohstedt said  the gunman had no connection to the church that he knows of, and he has no clue as to a motive.

"Just another crazy, random church shooting," added an emotional Bohstedt.

- Ed C.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;229916I agree.

But would we be saying the same thing if the killer were a young Moslem unemployed male paying lipservice to his own particular ideology?

When your guys go nuts and kill people, it's their vile ideology. When our guys go nuts and kill people, it's just some nutter, or "a few bad apples" or whatever.

Yep. I would say the exact same. And I don't understand what do you mean by your guys and our guys, sorry.

To be fair, it does sound like this guy would not have needed much, at the place his brain was in.

For him, it was right wing ideology that gave him a scapegoat.  No matter what  subculture informed his world view, if it had an enemy, he'd have gone after it.

It seems as things have developed they have found a "manifesto" that pretty much seems to have blamed liberals, religion, and gays for everything wrong in America and his life.  It sounds like he was looking for some place where he could go after all of them at once.  :emot-saddowns:

Why didn't he just go to The Apple Store then?

Quote from: Werekoala;229891I love this - when Coulter does it, its virulent hate speech, when Pundy does it, its Gonzo.

Puhleeeze.

If by "hate speech" you mean "should be banned and the speaker jailed", which is the definition here in Europe, then no I don't think Coulter has committed the crime of hate speech.  If you mean "demonstrating hate", yes she clearly has a lot of hate.  So does RPGPundit.  

Quote from: Aos;230013Why didn't he just go to The Apple Store then?

Adkinson's ex-wife, who had to take out Restraining Orders against him after the divorce for threats and stalking, was a member of that Unitarian church's congregation. So in this warped fuck's mind, that was just added sauce for the goose when he chose his target.

And yeah, I would lay the blame where it belongs if the perpetrators and victims were different.

Quote from: John MorrowI'm at a loss, however, to see how anything in books or radio shows by mainstream conservatives like most of those mentioned (I don't consider Michael Savage mainstream) could be interpreted as a call to go out an murder innocent people, particularly those in a church.

I'd like to make a note on this particular Radio Shock Jock, Michael Savage, because as someone who has listened to him and other conservative radio pundits I completely agree that this guy is a hatemongering piece of shit. Michael Savage does try to live the hate speech stereotype that is ill-fittingly applied to all conservative radio. Every credible conservative radio talk show host has publicly denounced this guy in an effort to police their own. He's been dropped from several syndication deals, including being dropped from local Knoxville radio as of a year and a half ago, because of his radical stance on conservative issues.

But even with this bad apple's wacky bizarro screeds being considered as a contributing factor, its really tough to demonstrate that the responsibility for this crime is at the feet of conservative pundits and not Adkinson himself.

I've seen too much political opportunism attached to this event since it happened and it has definitely gotten on my last nerve.