Heya, Paladin!  Welcome to theRPGsite!

Quote from: KoltarI know that D20/D&D is the biggest thing out there...but some of the discussions related to it can also help people with similiar problems in other RPG  system campaigns.

Yep.  Perhaps even more importantly, there are better D20 forums out there.  If the only game you want to talk about is D20 (or GURPS, or whatever), you don't think of RPGNet first.  You go to ENWorld, for example.  RPGNet is supposedly for people wholike many games.  Why slice smaller portions off your gaming menu?

My sentiments exactly, Anenome.  It makes no sense.  They had a real sweet spot there (somewhere between Story-Games and therpgsite, perhaps?) and just shattered it.

Quote from: AnemoneYep.  Perhaps even more importantly, there are better D20 forums out there.  If the only game you want to talk about is D20 (or GURPS, or whatever), you don't think of RPGNet first.  You go to ENWorld, for example.  RPGNet is supposedly for people wholike many games.  Why slice smaller portions off your gaming menu?

Well, its different in the RPGnet d20 forum than it is at ENWorld. ENWorld has its own ghetto (the d20 modern and other forum) and as a consequence, you'll find most of the major talk in the general forum about D&D. The modern forum is pretty quiet, and D20 Modern is almost a has-been game over there.

I've seen a lot more d20 modern talk in the last few weeks than I've seen at months over on ENWorld.

Yes, the D20 forum is a bad idea, at the very least because it's not going to do what it's intended to do as well as other actions would. But I've spoken about this at length already in threads people have most likely already read. So...

Quote from: KoltarWhat ? They run out of bagels??

Thank god I only came here for the margaritas and hot wings then.

...

But now I wonder if it's safe to use the blue cheese dressing. 0_o

Quote from: RPGPunditWhat should really get to you is the fact that when Darren, a mod, decided he wanted his thread that he started in the D20 forum (about, in the sense of "trashing", D&D) to get more attention, he went ahead and moved it to the Open forum.

Actually, it was moved partly at my suggestion, as it really had very little to do with D&D or D20 at all, and had already moved to discussing Cthulhu within the first page.

But now I know what he meant by having to 'burn some karma'. I kinda feel bad now, but luckily I have pills for that.

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Quote from: J ArcaneThey've been needing to upgrade the software for years now

For some reason this reminds me of that tampon commercial with the blond chick saying you should 'upgrade'.

Quote from: DrFaustOf all the things about RPGnet, I think the thing that bothers me most is the way they allowed Tangency to bloom into a putrescent cancerous wart that is actively proud of how little it has to do with the rest of the forums. It's got nothing to do with RPGs or gaming; either it shouldn't be there at all, or should be vastly reduced, as you suggest.

Tangency is the 'waste heat' that inevitably emerges as a result of a successful community forum. In a way it's the essentially community aspect refined out of whatever the specific forum is 'about'.

And I don't see it a waste, because I consider RPG.net to be a community first, and a source for RPG information second.

Quote from: Caesar SlaadI have to laugh when I hear people invoke the term censorship when it comes to private venues.

Uh oh. Button pressed...

If I had a $1.50 everytime an statement like this was used to defend the actions of tyrants, I would be able to live comfortably...

...if only I wasn't living in a dictatorship as a result.

You do realize that the only way you can post to the internet in any other fashion besides a private venue is to purchase your own T1 line and server and create your OWN private venue, right? Everything else, your phone/broadband connection, your email, even your current domain name, is owned by someone else, and the owner can demand you follow new restrictions in using it at any time, for any reason, without explanation.

The only things that stop them are competition and the government. There's a good reason first world countries have laws regarding what you can and cannot do with, and even what you can consider to be, private property.

Quote from: Caesar SlaadAnd notice how you are free to go elsewhere -- namely here -- and express yourself?

Like those Mexicans have the freedom to come to America.

Or better yet, how users have the freedom to use Linux instead of Windows.

And (just because I know someone is going to call the metaphor police) you know what all three of these have in common?

They all require you to abandon a community or take a large chunk of it with you when exercising that freedom. So if people are there because of the community, then they DON'T have the freedom to choose something else.

Quote from: GoOrangeThe mods, those poor overworked volunteers, somehow manage to weed out every new post that talks about D20 and move it into the subspecialty forum.

Actually, they lumped pretty much every post and review about previous editions of D&D into that forum, as well. Hence why many perceive it as being, not the "d20 Section" of the site but the "Shit We're Too Good For" section of the site. They should take some time to sort that out.

Quote from: chaosvoyagerLike those Mexicans have the freedom to come to America.

Mexicans have the freedom to come to America, however they do not have the freedom to not follow the rules that everyone else who wants to come to America has to follow...

Quote from: KoltarWhat ? They run out of bagels??

- Ed C.

Anyone caught circle jerking with a bagel (except blueberry, which isn't really a bagel at all) will face the wrath of the... Well, I can't tell you who they are. but you certainly won't expect them.

Dum dum dummmmm!

Quote from: chaosvoyagerBut now I wonder if it's safe to use the blue cheese dressing. 0_o

It's safe. Just don't ask yourself why it's blue.

Quote from: PaladinCAModerators can do their job without the snark

Preach it, brother!

Seanchai

Quote from: PaladinCA... Anyway, hello to all my friends from RPGnet and to those on the RPGSite!

Hey, nice to see you here, PaladinCA!  

Quote from: C.W.RichesonThe mods are in a crappy position, right?  They probably don't care for the split either, I agree, but as the people expected to administrate the boards they have to go with what the owner decides.  I don't see how they can weigh in on anything - they just do their best to put threads in the right place and ignore the grief they get for it.  Besides, if they did voice their objections it would be privately instead of in a big public circus.

Most of them "don't care for the split" for a totally different reason though; not because they think it turns D20 into a ghetto topic of the site (which it does) but because they are afraid it will give too much attention to D20. They'd rather D20 wasn't discussed at all except in threads like Darrens where they get to shit all over the game.

RPGpundit

Quote from: PaladinCAThere sure are a lot of current RPGnet posters hanging out over here.  There are a lot of banned former RPGnet posters to.  Most of them are voices that I have missed.

I'm not all that happy with the d20 forum split either.  I asked the mod team for clarification on why Darren was able to move his own d20 thread for purposes of exposure in open and I got the "it isn't what you think" response.  Then they changed the thread title so that it would reduce the bitching about a moderator moving his own D&D thread into open for exposure purposes.  It was a nice dose of inconsistency bordering on hypocrisy really.

I reported the attitude of Darren in that thread to.  I don't feel that there is any need for a moderator to swagger around like John Wayne and threaten the community with punishments just because they are in a bad mood.  Very immature behavior if you ask me.

So yeah, the mod team has been rubbing me the wrong way for a while now.  I realize what a difficult task they have, but I see no reason for the attitudes.  Moderators can do their job without the snark (there are a couple of good ones).  I get along with just about anyone and it takes a lot before I sour on any particular person.  I have one RPGnet poster on my RPGnet ignore list and only because they are the most condescending and arrogant ass that I have ever encountered on the net.  That is quite a feat!

Anyway, hello to all my friends from RPGnet and to those on the RPGSite!

Hehe... I remember reading what you'd posted in RPG.net regarding Darren's thread and thinking "shit, someone's got to invite this guy to come to theRPGsite"!

Welcome aboard!

RPGPundit

Quote from: chaosvoyagerActually, it was moved partly at my suggestion, as it really had very little to do with D&D or D20 at all, and had already moved to discussing Cthulhu within the first page.

But now I know what he meant by having to 'burn some karma'. I kinda feel bad now, but luckily I have pills for that.

Bullshit. I'd read some 10 pages down and it was still mostly about talking about how badly D20 sucks.
Also, whether or not you mentioned it is irrelevant to the fact that Darren did it, and was allowed to do it because he was a mod.  If you had been the one who started that thread, they wouldn't have let you move it.

RPGPundit

Quote from: chaosvoyagerLike those Mexicans have the freedom to come to America.

Or better yet, how users have the freedom to use Linux instead of Windows.

And (just because I know someone is going to call the metaphor police) you know what all three of these have in common?

They all require you to abandon a community or take a large chunk of it with you when exercising that freedom. So if people are there because of the community, then they DON'T have the freedom to choose something else.

So. This still isn't censorship in anything but the most histrionic sense.

This is such a funny thread...please keep it coming!