It only came a couple of days too late for the Pistols at Dawn thread, but check out this thread over in Storygames, where the guy talks about how impossible it is to play D&D with a "social contract" and how "D&D and Story-games don't mix", (because D&D is so flawed).  

Essentially, the guy and his regular gang were running "Storygames D&D" full of their pretentious bullshit (fresh out of playing a "Dogs in the Vinyard Iron Heroes" campaign), and a couple of regular gamers who weren't part of their full-time group showed up, and were basically baffled with how the fuck these guys were playing, because they were expecting to play D&D, and not the Storytime Wank Hour where everyone jerks everyone else off about how brilliant they are.

The underlying fault, of course, is with D&D's lack of sophistication and the bad habits it creates in its regular players. :rolleyes:

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I´m fed up with this shit.
Too fed up to even care anymore.

I have no patience whatsoever with these kind of people anymore.

Quote from: SettembriniI´m fed up with this shit.
Too fed up to even care anymore.

I have no patience whatsoever with these kind of people anymore.

You mean Pundy and his incessant trumpeting of his imaginary war?  Yeah, I'm pretty sick of it, too.

!i!

Sort of.
But I´m more sick of your kind.

And what "kind" would that be, pray tell?

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As for me, I'm sick of threads like this one, so let me summarize the next ten pages before they're being written:

1. Tony shows up and muddies the waters

2. Settembrini freaks out

3. Koltar suggests we all switch to GURPS

It's like clockwork.

I do feel some sympathy for the poor schmucks who really want to run DitV or whatever but end up GMing D&D because that's where the player base is.  But to try to bend D&D towards storygaming requires open and clear communication with the players and the assent of all present.  I think anything less will lead to dogs and cats sleeping together, mass hysteria.

Quote from: Pierce InverarityAs for me, I'm sick of threads like this one, so let me summarize the next ten pages before they're being written:

1. Tony shows up and muddies the waters

2. Settembrini freaks out

3. Koltar suggests we all switch to GURPS

It's like clockwork.

Hey, I might make a cheap shot or two! I'll thank you not to leave my vanity posting out of this. :blahblah:

EDIT: Also, Pundy...Iron Kingdoms, not Iron Heroes. Setting, not system. I imagine Protectorate of Menoth (or howevuhthefuck you spell it) types, being the requisite fanatical fire-and-pokey-metal-things monotheists in any setting with pretensions towards the Renaissance.

Right, right.  

3) Christmas Ape posts soemthing he thinks is clever, everyone humors him because they think is avatar is cute

4) Koltar suggests we all switch to GURPS

Proof that Christmas Ape and GURPS are the great uniters.

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What Pierce said.

I figure it's not like War threads MEAN anything, right? Though I admit AM's newsletter has been intriguing me these days - I wouldn't subscribe, but I'll read one I found in a bus terminal to abuse the metaphor. But in general, I'd say these are pretty much always about chest-beating, and who better than an ape?

Is it just chest beating?  Or is it also marking out territory like a dog?  Peeing on someone else's territory just to antagonise the dog in another yard.

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(P.S. I just realised that you and I share semi-simian avatars.  Hail, ape-brother.)

Drop it folks.
Don´t use my thread fatigue to waste the whole Oeuvre of arguments "for" and "against" we have built up and weigehd against already.

Drop your anti-civilizatory bullshit.

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaIs it just chest beating?  Or is it also marking out territory like a dog?  Peeing on someone else's territory just to antagonise the dog in another yard.

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Another vinyard?

Quote from: One Horse TownAnother vinyard?

D'oh!  You cheeky, antagonistic bastard!

By the way, has anyone made a "Dogs in the Swineyard" quip yet?  Because someone totally should.  I can't because it lacks the ring of sincerity when I post it.

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