So the new woke movie, prey, js being smeared all over the net now, and oh how I'm tastibg my bile rise.
Basically we have an interstellar level hunter with a personal cloak, plasma weapon, laser targeter, some body armor, multiple vision modes, possibly remote drones, etc, who is much stronger and tougher than a human fighting an aboriginal North American woman who is at a stone age level of technology.
Oh, that poor doomed alien fool! He doesn't realize he has no chance against the awesome power of her wokeness!
Earlier this year James bond, who had surivied and triumphed over huge evil organization like spectre, megalomaniacs with nuckewr weapons, laser cutting rays, global exti ction level bio weapons, space stations, etc, was murdered by tge new evil world domination organization known as WOKE. What chance does the predator have?
I'm trying to imagine what kind of woketard scenario has the woman on the poster beating this alien killing machine. I'm betting she calls on her native earth spirits, does a rain dance and the predator gets zapped by lightning.
Gah, the magical Negro Native American.
I thought we were past the full retard stereotypes?
I think the ALIEN RPG has a Native American character. He's from Brooklyn or the Bronx, and he loves New York pizza. He gets annoyed with dumb questions about the spirit world and whatever.
Predators are damn near Stormtrooper level at this point. An Ewok would be overkill.
Yeap. I saw that and was like... seriously? SERIOUSLY?
It's literally the finale of the OG Predator but instead of Ahnold, we get Native American Waifu Chick.
Eh, remember Independence Day? There's a long tradition of movies where humans somehow overcome aliens who completely outclass them in every possible way.
So it's a new Predator movie. Hulu original. Dug up the trailer.
She's a woman fighting against prejudice to be a hunter. We get that in the first few seconds. That's literally the only signal of potential wokeness I see in the trailer.
The rest of it's mostly just disconnected action scenes. Enraged bear chases the girl into a dam, Predator kills it. Lots of running around, or swinging at things. There's a silly scene where a man with a spear and a puma face off on opposing branches high in a tree. There's another silly scene where she trains using a Tomahawk on a string, so it'll return after a throw. But honestly, that's expected for an unrealistic and ungrounded action movie, which this seems to be in spades.
Beyond that, there's not a lot. Her tribe is fighting the Predator, beyond that not clear. Some meaningless and hard to assess conflicts with the men in her tribe. At the very end of the trailer, there's a quick scene with some Scots with flintlocks, and then a few more with white men, so it's not pre-Columbian like I was assuming.
The summary in Hulu says she's Comanche, but didn't see any horses. Set 300 years ago
The Comanche are a surprisingly un-woke choice.
But I'm sure none of that will be mentioned.
Quote from: Thornhammer on June 09, 2022, 09:43:42 PM
The Comanche are a surprisingly un-woke choice.
But I'm sure none of that will be mentioned.
Well, it makes sense from the Predator's perspective to go after one of the most hated, murderous, and genocidal tribes there has ever been. I do wonder how much will be mentioned about the Comanche's "problematic" history.
I would also guess the Predator in question would limit its use of weapons to melee and muscle powered ranged weapons (as they do when hunting the xenomorphs as per the DH comics) against a more primitive group. From what I can see it will likely be a disaster "modern year" of a movie....BUT I could see that it could be a great idea as a premise for a movie.
It seems the people who made Top Gun: Maverick should send out a memo to all the creators in hollywoood- it could read stick to escapist entertainment, and you will print money.
You SHOULD be right, ogg. But unfortunately I've seen people in clips for this with the triangular laser tagger on their heads, indicating the pred here will use ranged firepower.
The pred who fought the yakuza in predators had a code of honor and died by it, I don't think the ''one ugly motherfucker '' in this movie will be so encumbered. He's going to be white, dishonorable and sadistic.
Hmmm, never seen a female yaut'ja in a film yet, I would not be surprised jf one shows up in this to judge the villain as being dishonorable and unworthy
Quote from: Battlemaster on June 10, 2022, 12:40:17 AM
You SHOULD be right, ogg. But unfortunately I've seen people in clips for this with the triangular laser tagger on their heads, indicating the pred here will use ranged firepower.
Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ7LytagKlc
1:33 dots on forehead
2:02 someone being disintegrated
Quote from: bromides on June 09, 2022, 08:18:59 PM
Gah, the magical Negro Native American.
I thought we were past the full retard stereotypes?
Because they bitch if you dont "represent" them like that. And then they bitch if you do represent them like that.
Every iteration I've seen has had this. They get their representation. Then bitch so incessantly that no one wants to represent them anymore. Rinse-repeat each cycle. And they'll do it again next iteration.
Quote from: Battlemaster on June 10, 2022, 12:40:17 AM
Hmmm, never seen a female yaut'ja in a film yet, I would not be surprised jf one shows up in this to judge the villain as being dishonorable and unworthy
Apparently there was one in the movie with the people stranded on a hunting preserve. There was probably also one in the Predator 2 movie at the end. But hard to say if at the time the intent was that they do not look much different from males. And for all we know the ones seen so far are all females.
But according to some press comments the new movie will feature the first female Predator.
Well. In some predator themed novels it was established the females were much larger and stronger than the males. In one novel a female accidentally broke a male's arm during mating.
I have sooooooooooo many questions, sadly we don't have a spoiler button function so I can't post them without spoiling the movie for those who want to watch it but haven't yet.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 09, 2022, 11:02:39 AM
I have sooooooooooo many questions, sadly we don't have a spoiler button function so I can't post them without spoiling the movie for those who want to watch it but haven't yet.
I saw the movie. It is not perfect but I liked a lot of things. Without spoiling it:
- She says "I'm a warrior!" She isn't. Forget the idea that she is the usual uber-woke Mary Sue, because she makes a lot of mistakes and finds herself in a world of hurt over and over. The good part is that she learns.
- Becoming a warrior, however, doesn't solve the big problem: as soon as you just wave a mock sword towards the Predator you are dead. If anything, what she (and we) learn through the movie is that - when the big confrontation arrives - there is still no way that she can tackle the Predator. This leads to...
- ...The movie doesn't cheat. I won't spoil but I liked how, in the original "Predator", the final duel was not between Schwarzenegger the uber-warrior and the Predator at all. Schwarzy won through intelligence, not strength. Here, our native americanette puts together ALL the experiences she made to create a plan to fight the Predator. It still could have gone both ways. If you pay attention to the end, BTW, it is clear how neither she or her tribe are safe at all. Let's say that proving yourself to be a hard "Prey" is not really that smart...
I agree that the movie is full of problems. I also think that we are starting to see a disconnect between marketing and reality. This movie was marketed as "woke". IMHO it isn't and the problems are of a different kind. If many people won't see it due to the marketing I hope that this will be another lesson in what not do. For sure I would watch a sequel.
My ranking:
Predator
Predator 2 (sue me)
Prey
All the rest
Quote from: Reckall on August 09, 2022, 12:14:38 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 09, 2022, 11:02:39 AM
I have sooooooooooo many questions, sadly we don't have a spoiler button function so I can't post them without spoiling the movie for those who want to watch it but haven't yet.
I saw the movie. It is not perfect but I liked a lot of things. Without spoiling it:
- She says "I'm a warrior!" She isn't. Forget the idea that she is the usual uber-woke Mary Sue, because she makes a lot of mistakes and finds herself in a world of hurt over and over. The good part is that she learns.
- Becoming a warrior, however, doesn't solve the big problem: as soon as you just wave a mock sword towards the Predator you are dead. If anything, what she (and we) learn through the movie is that - when the big confrontation arrives - there is still no way that she can tackle the Predator. This leads to...
- ...The movie doesn't cheat. I won't spoil but I liked how, in the original "Predator", the final duel was not between Schwarzenegger the uber-warrior and the Predator at all. Schwarzy won through intelligence, not strength. Here, our native americanette puts together ALL the experiences she made to create a plan to fight the Predator. It still could have gone both ways. If you pay attention to the end, BTW, it is clear how neither she or her tribe are safe at all. Let's say that proving yourself to be a hard "Prey" is not really that smart...
I agree that the movie is full of problems. I also think that we are starting to see a disconnect between marketing and reality. This movie was marketed as "woke". IMHO it isn't and the problems are of a different kind. If many people won't see it due to the marketing I hope that this will be another lesson in what not do. For sure I would watch a sequel.
My ranking:
Predator
Predator 2 (sue me)
Prey
All the rest
I kinda sorta agree with you there.
None of that adresses the questions I have.
Quote from: Battlemaster on June 10, 2022, 05:55:40 AM
Well. In some predator themed novels it was established the females were much larger and stronger than the males. In one novel a female accidentally broke a male's arm during mating.
Yeah, the Dark Horse EU writes them as basically klingons but focused around hunting rather than warfare.
One of the toys or something introduces an insectoid species called "amengi" (based on the discarded insectoid predator head concept, which the Prey helmet was apparently based on) who maintain their technology. The amengi originally enslaved the predators and performed genetic experiments to make them into pets and gladiators and stuff. Eventually the predators rebelled and enslaved the amengi, but lacked the cultural development that they would have achieved if they developed their tech and culture on their own. So they use their advanced technology to conduct ritualized hunts as part of their extreme honor culture.
Unfortunately, none of this stuff filters into the movies so don't expect any movies that expand on predator culture to reference it. I really don't understand why Disney doesn't mine the DH library like they do for Marvel. It's like the executives are idiots who don't know anything about their own IPs. You could easily churn out a few new movies or shows based on Gibson's Alien 3 and the Earth War trilogy if you're desperate to keep telling stories about Ripley and her associates. (Although the aging of the actors means that you'd need to use CGI to make them look young or even do the entire thing as CGI or 2D animation.) I personally think Ripley's fate should be retconned to "they escaped back to Earth and lived happily ever after", then focus on new characters and stories to make the universe feel bigger. Also, ditch the albino body builders and make the space jockeys back into actual aliens; they can still wear suits, but the creature underneath should look like a Giger monster.
I personally like the pitch about the cast trying to climb through a space elevator tower and then running into spider aliens.
At some point, you're going to have to give the aliens sapient members who can grow their own ships because relying on human stupidity to keep plots going has already gotten tiring under the DH EU. Also, hire an art director who actually gets the Giger aesthetic because the new alien designs always look like melted cheese crap.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 10, 2022, 11:51:56 AM
Quote from: Battlemaster on June 10, 2022, 05:55:40 AM
Well. In some predator themed novels it was established the females were much larger and stronger than the males. In one novel a female accidentally broke a male's arm during mating.
Yeah, the Dark Horse EU writes them as basically klingons but focused around hunting rather than warfare.
One of the toys or something introduces an insectoid species called "amengi" (based on the discarded insectoid predator head concept, which the Prey helmet was apparently based on) who maintain their technology. The amengi originally enslaved the predators and performed genetic experiments to make them into pets and gladiators and stuff. Eventually the predators rebelled and enslaved the amengi, but lacked the cultural development that they would have achieved if they developed their tech and culture on their own. So they use their advanced technology to conduct ritualized hunts as part of their extreme honor culture.
Unfortunately, none of this stuff filters into the movies so don't expect any movies that expand on predator culture to reference it. I really don't understand why Disney doesn't mine the DH library like they do for Marvel. It's like the executives are idiots who don't know anything about their own IPs. You could easily churn out a few new movies or shows based on Gibson's Alien 3 and the Earth War trilogy if you're desperate to keep telling stories about Ripley and her associates. (Although the aging of the actors means that you'd need to use CGI to make them look young or even do the entire thing as CGI or 2D animation.) I personally think Ripley's fate should be retconned to "they escaped back to Earth and lived happily ever after", then focus on new characters and stories to make the universe feel bigger. Also, ditch the albino body builders and make the space jockeys back into actual aliens; they can still wear suits, but the creature underneath should look like a Giger monster.
I personally like the pitch about the cast trying to climb through a space elevator tower and then running into spider aliens.
At some point, you're going to have to give the aliens sapient members who can grow their own ships because relying on human stupidity to keep plots going has already gotten tiring under the DH EU. Also, hire an art director who actually gets the Giger aesthetic because the new alien designs always look like melted cheese crap.
Partly because the Disney Executives ARE idiots who don't know the IPs and partly because they probably don't own the rights or are cheap fucks who don't want to pay royalties.
We saw this same thing with Star Wars:
1.- Throw away all the EU
2.- Make shitty product
3.- Complain you don't have the source material like Marvel does
4.- Profit?
As for Marvel they have done the same to a limited extent in the movies and to a greater extent in the comics:
Drax has ALWAYS been a green behemoth created by Kronos (Arthur Douglas' family was killed by Thanos and Kronos uses Arthur's soul) to kill Thanos. Kinda dumb (sometimes) and with only one objective, relentless and is reborn eevery time Thanos is broguht to life by Death to be her champion.
Heimdall never was a black guy.
IMHO it's mainly the executives being cheap, imbecilic fucks. Plus their need to push
"The Message!"TM
I watched this, and I thought it was pretty good. I think it is on par with predator 2, not as good overall maybe but it is certainly worth the time to watch it...and I have no idea where people got the idea it was woke. It seemed more in line with representing people as they were to a degree (trappers hate Comanches, and Comanches hate trappers) and just shot the movie from the girl's point of view instead of as a big morality tale.
Any idea which streaming service this is likely to land on?
I've seen enough somewhat favorable reviews to want to see it, though watching it in theaters is unlikely to happen.
Critical Drinker gave it some respect, not outright praise, but respect.
Quote from: Lurkndog on August 15, 2022, 09:49:28 AM
Any idea which streaming service this is likely to land on?
I've seen enough somewhat favorable reviews to want to see it, though watching it in theaters is unlikely to happen.
Critical Drinker gave it some respect, not outright praise, but respect.
It's a Hulu exclusive. Skipped theaters entirely
Disney clearly had zero faith, but it broke records according to media
Quote from: Lurkndog on August 15, 2022, 09:49:28 AM
Any idea which streaming service this is likely to land on?
Here in Italy it is on Disney+ There is even a track in Comanche with subtitles, which is a first.
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I've seen enough somewhat favorable reviews to want to see it, though watching it in theaters is unlikely to happen.
Critical Drinker gave it some respect, not outright praise, but respect.
"Prey", IMHO, is a good movie that understands what made "Predator" great (i.e. You will not beat it by "being a warrior"). The problem is that it is surrounded by so much drek that everyone screams MASTERPIECE. Well, no, it is a good (non woke! sorry!) Predator movie and I still like Predator 2 more :) (the scene in the subway with Bill Paxton is still unmatched).
Edit: I suggested it to my friends and all of those who watched it are happy, if this means anything.
Saw some of it and was very unimpressed. They really love their stupid bullet time dont they?
As for a primitive people beating the alien. Thats not even an issue. Its been shown amply that these aliens dont wear much armor and are just as vulnerable to being shot, stabbed, and just plain punched as anyone else. They just seem to be able to take alot more punishment and seem to have some advanced medical first aid to help.
They arent stupidly invincible like 99% of most monsters and aliens anymore.
Quote from: Reckall on August 15, 2022, 12:16:29 PM
"Prey", IMHO, is a good movie that understands what made "Predator" great (i.e. You will not beat it by "being a warrior"). The problem is that it is surrounded by so much drek that everyone screams MASTERPIECE. Well, no, it is a good (non woke! sorry!) Predator movie and I still like Predator 2 more :) (the scene in the subway with Bill Paxton is still unmatched).
Yeah, I thought Prey was quite good. As other have mentioned, the CGI animals suck, but it's generally well plotted and paced. I think it nicely follows up the original Predator. The plot device of the orange flower breaks suspension of disbelief, but I see that they didn't want to repeat the more obvious tactic of the original. There's a lot of suspension of disbelief points in all the Predator movies.
Predator 2 is a different kind of movie with more humor and over-the-top ridiculousness. My biggest beef with Predator 2 is that the climax was slow. Given the over-the-top ridiculousness and pace in the first half of the film, it should have a smash-bang action-filled climax that ups the pace - like Big Trouble in Little China. Instead, we get slow crawling over drainpipes, scared old women in apartments, and first aid in a drawn out cat-and-mouse game.
Quote from: Omega on September 09, 2022, 10:39:03 PM
Saw some of it and was very unimpressed. They really love their stupid bullet time dont they?
As for a primitive people beating the alien. Thats not even an issue. Its been shown amply that these aliens dont wear much armor and are just as vulnerable to being shot, stabbed, and just plain punched as anyone else. They just seem to be able to take alot more punishment and seem to have some advanced medical first aid to help.
They arent stupidly invincible like 99% of most monsters and aliens anymore.
My take is that the Predator we see in "Prey" suffers from two disadvantages: his tech is more primitive (and I like the idea that 300 years ago even the aliens were more primitive) and he looks at humans as another animal. A snake is a wolf is a human (considering how many humans he slaughters he may have a point).
I a way, killing the Predator may not have been smart at all. Now the other Predators see Earth as a more interesting place, as these "humans" not only weren't cattle but also they were even able to kill one of their own. During the end titles we see three more Predator ships arriving. Also, the Indian girl now owns the gun that, in Predator 2, we see in the hands of the Predators - so that matter will seemingly not end well for the humans.
In one of the Alien vs Predator novels, it discusses that Predators consider humans to be 'very advanced' prey. As in, they don't let just anyone go hunting humans.
If I recall correctly, the Preds actually rank humans right up there with Xenomorphs in terms of how dangerous they are.