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Prey doesn't have a prayer
« on: June 09, 2022, 08:09:51 PM »
So the new woke movie, prey, js being smeared all over the net now, and oh how I'm tastibg my bile rise.

Basically we have an interstellar level hunter with a personal cloak, plasma weapon, laser targeter, some body armor,  multiple vision modes,  possibly remote drones,  etc,  who is  much stronger and tougher than a human fighting an aboriginal North American woman who is at a stone age level of technology.

Oh, that poor doomed alien fool! He doesn't realize he has no chance against the awesome power of her wokeness!

Earlier this year James bond, who had surivied and triumphed over huge evil organization like spectre, megalomaniacs with nuckewr weapons, laser cutting rays, global exti ction level bio weapons, space stations, etc, was murdered by tge new evil world domination organization known as WOKE. What chance does the predator have?

I'm trying to imagine what kind of woketard scenario has the woman on the poster beating this alien killing machine.  I'm betting she calls on her native earth spirits, does a rain dance and the predator gets zapped by lightning.
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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2022, 08:18:59 PM »
Gah, the magical Negro Native American.

I thought we were past the full retard stereotypes?

I think the ALIEN RPG has a Native American character. He's from Brooklyn or the Bronx, and he loves New York pizza. He gets annoyed with dumb questions about the spirit world and whatever.

Predators are damn near Stormtrooper level at this point. An Ewok would be overkill.

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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2022, 09:13:50 PM »
Yeap. I saw that and was like... seriously? SERIOUSLY?

It's literally the finale of the OG Predator but instead of Ahnold, we get Native American Waifu Chick.

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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2022, 09:14:46 PM »
Eh, remember Independence Day? There's a long tradition of movies where humans somehow overcome aliens who completely outclass them in every possible way.

So it's a new Predator movie. Hulu original. Dug up the trailer.

She's a woman fighting against prejudice to be a hunter. We get that in the first few seconds. That's literally the only signal of potential wokeness I see in the trailer.

The rest of it's mostly just disconnected action scenes. Enraged bear chases the girl into a dam, Predator kills it. Lots of running around, or swinging at things. There's a silly scene where a man with a spear and a puma face off on opposing branches high in a tree. There's another silly scene where she trains using a Tomahawk on a string, so it'll return after a throw. But honestly, that's expected for an unrealistic and ungrounded action movie, which this seems to be in spades.

Beyond that, there's not a lot. Her tribe is fighting the Predator, beyond that not clear. Some meaningless and hard to assess conflicts with the men in her tribe. At the very end of the trailer, there's a quick scene with some Scots with flintlocks, and then a few more with white men, so it's not pre-Columbian like I was assuming.

The summary in Hulu says she's Comanche, but didn't see any horses. Set 300 years ago

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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2022, 09:43:42 PM »
The Comanche are a surprisingly un-woke choice.

But I'm sure none of that will be mentioned.

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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2022, 10:40:41 PM »
The Comanche are a surprisingly un-woke choice.

But I'm sure none of that will be mentioned.

    Well, it makes sense from the Predator's perspective to go after one of the most hated, murderous, and genocidal tribes there has ever been.   I do wonder how much will be mentioned about the Comanche's "problematic" history. 

   I would also guess the Predator in question would limit its use of weapons to melee and muscle powered ranged weapons (as they do when hunting the xenomorphs as per the DH comics) against a more primitive group.  From what I can see it will likely be a disaster "modern year" of a movie....BUT I could see that it could be a great idea as a premise for a movie. 

   It seems the people who made Top Gun: Maverick should send out a memo to all the creators in hollywoood- it could read stick to escapist entertainment, and you will print money.

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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2022, 12:40:17 AM »
You SHOULD be right, ogg. But unfortunately I've seen people in clips for this with the triangular laser tagger on their heads, indicating the pred here will use ranged firepower.

The pred who fought the yakuza in predators had a code of honor and died by it, I don't think the  ''one ugly motherfucker '' in this movie will be so encumbered. He's going to be white, dishonorable and sadistic.


Hmmm, never seen a female yaut'ja in a film yet, I would not be surprised jf one shows up in this to judge the villain as being dishonorable and unworthy
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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2022, 01:35:47 AM »
You SHOULD be right, ogg. But unfortunately I've seen people in clips for this with the triangular laser tagger on their heads, indicating the pred here will use ranged firepower.
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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2022, 02:23:21 AM »
Gah, the magical Negro Native American.

I thought we were past the full retard stereotypes?

Because they bitch if you dont "represent" them like that. And then they bitch if you do represent them like that.
Every iteration I've seen has had this. They get their representation. Then bitch so incessantly that no one wants to represent them anymore. Rinse-repeat each cycle. And they'll do it again next iteration.

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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2022, 02:36:08 AM »
Hmmm, never seen a female yaut'ja in a film yet, I would not be surprised jf one shows up in this to judge the villain as being dishonorable and unworthy

Apparently there was one in the movie with the people stranded on a hunting preserve. There was probably also one in the Predator 2 movie at the end. But hard to say if at the time the intent was that they do not look much different from males. And for all we know the ones seen so far are all females.

But according to some press comments the new movie will feature the first female Predator.

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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2022, 05:55:40 AM »
Well. In some predator themed novels it was established the females were much larger and stronger than the males. In one novel a female accidentally broke a male's arm during mating.
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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2022, 11:02:39 AM »
I have sooooooooooo many questions, sadly we don't have a spoiler button function so I can't post them without spoiling the movie for those who want to watch it but haven't yet.
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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2022, 12:14:38 PM »
I have sooooooooooo many questions, sadly we don't have a spoiler button function so I can't post them without spoiling the movie for those who want to watch it but haven't yet.

I saw the movie. It is not perfect but I liked a lot of things. Without spoiling it:

- She says "I'm a warrior!" She isn't. Forget the idea that she is the usual uber-woke Mary Sue, because she makes a lot of mistakes and finds herself in a world of hurt over and over. The good part is that she learns.

- Becoming a warrior, however, doesn't solve the big problem: as soon as you just wave a mock sword towards the Predator you are dead. If anything, what she (and we) learn through the movie is that - when the big confrontation arrives - there is still no way that she can tackle the Predator. This leads to...

- ...The movie doesn't cheat. I won't spoil but I liked how, in the original "Predator", the final duel was not between Schwarzenegger the uber-warrior and the Predator at all. Schwarzy won through intelligence, not strength. Here, our native americanette puts together ALL the experiences she made to create a plan to fight the Predator. It still could have gone both ways. If you pay attention to the end, BTW, it is clear how neither she or her tribe are safe at all. Let's say that proving yourself to be a hard "Prey" is not really that smart...

I agree that the movie is full of problems. I also think that we are starting to see a disconnect between marketing and reality. This movie was marketed as "woke". IMHO it isn't and the problems are of a different kind. If many people won't see it due to the marketing I hope that this will be another lesson in what not do. For sure I would watch a sequel.

My ranking:

Predator
Predator 2 (sue me)
Prey
All the rest
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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #13 on: Today at 10:39:31 AM »
I have sooooooooooo many questions, sadly we don't have a spoiler button function so I can't post them without spoiling the movie for those who want to watch it but haven't yet.

I saw the movie. It is not perfect but I liked a lot of things. Without spoiling it:

- She says "I'm a warrior!" She isn't. Forget the idea that she is the usual uber-woke Mary Sue, because she makes a lot of mistakes and finds herself in a world of hurt over and over. The good part is that she learns.

- Becoming a warrior, however, doesn't solve the big problem: as soon as you just wave a mock sword towards the Predator you are dead. If anything, what she (and we) learn through the movie is that - when the big confrontation arrives - there is still no way that she can tackle the Predator. This leads to...

- ...The movie doesn't cheat. I won't spoil but I liked how, in the original "Predator", the final duel was not between Schwarzenegger the uber-warrior and the Predator at all. Schwarzy won through intelligence, not strength. Here, our native americanette puts together ALL the experiences she made to create a plan to fight the Predator. It still could have gone both ways. If you pay attention to the end, BTW, it is clear how neither she or her tribe are safe at all. Let's say that proving yourself to be a hard "Prey" is not really that smart...

I agree that the movie is full of problems. I also think that we are starting to see a disconnect between marketing and reality. This movie was marketed as "woke". IMHO it isn't and the problems are of a different kind. If many people won't see it due to the marketing I hope that this will be another lesson in what not do. For sure I would watch a sequel.

My ranking:

Predator
Predator 2 (sue me)
Prey
All the rest

I kinda sorta agree with you there.

None of that adresses the questions I have.
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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #14 on: Today at 11:51:56 AM »
Well. In some predator themed novels it was established the females were much larger and stronger than the males. In one novel a female accidentally broke a male's arm during mating.
Yeah, the Dark Horse EU writes them as basically klingons but focused around hunting rather than warfare.

One of the toys or something introduces an insectoid species called "amengi" (based on the discarded insectoid predator head concept, which the Prey helmet was apparently based on) who maintain their technology. The amengi originally enslaved the predators and performed genetic experiments to make them into pets and gladiators and stuff. Eventually the predators rebelled and enslaved the amengi, but lacked the cultural development that they would have achieved if they developed their tech and culture on their own. So they use their advanced technology to conduct ritualized hunts as part of their extreme honor culture.

Unfortunately, none of this stuff filters into the movies so don't expect any movies that expand on predator culture to reference it. I really don't understand why Disney doesn't mine the DH library like they do for Marvel. It's like the executives are idiots who don't know anything about their own IPs. You could easily churn out a few new movies or shows based on Gibson's Alien 3 and the Earth War trilogy if you're desperate to keep telling stories about Ripley and her associates. (Although the aging of the actors means that you'd need to use CGI to make them look young or even do the entire thing as CGI or 2D animation.) I personally think Ripley's fate should be retconned to "they escaped back to Earth and lived happily ever after", then focus on new characters and stories to make the universe feel bigger. Also, ditch the albino body builders and make the space jockeys back into actual aliens; they can still wear suits, but the creature underneath should look like a Giger monster.

I personally like the pitch about the cast trying to climb through a space elevator tower and then running into spider aliens.

At some point, you're going to have to give the aliens sapient members who can grow their own ships because relying on human stupidity to keep plots going has already gotten tiring under the DH EU. Also, hire an art director who actually gets the Giger aesthetic because the new alien designs always look like melted cheese crap.