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Author Topic: Prey doesn't have a prayer  (Read 1219 times)

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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2022, 01:18:26 PM »
Well. In some predator themed novels it was established the females were much larger and stronger than the males. In one novel a female accidentally broke a male's arm during mating.
Yeah, the Dark Horse EU writes them as basically klingons but focused around hunting rather than warfare.

One of the toys or something introduces an insectoid species called "amengi" (based on the discarded insectoid predator head concept, which the Prey helmet was apparently based on) who maintain their technology. The amengi originally enslaved the predators and performed genetic experiments to make them into pets and gladiators and stuff. Eventually the predators rebelled and enslaved the amengi, but lacked the cultural development that they would have achieved if they developed their tech and culture on their own. So they use their advanced technology to conduct ritualized hunts as part of their extreme honor culture.

Unfortunately, none of this stuff filters into the movies so don't expect any movies that expand on predator culture to reference it. I really don't understand why Disney doesn't mine the DH library like they do for Marvel. It's like the executives are idiots who don't know anything about their own IPs. You could easily churn out a few new movies or shows based on Gibson's Alien 3 and the Earth War trilogy if you're desperate to keep telling stories about Ripley and her associates. (Although the aging of the actors means that you'd need to use CGI to make them look young or even do the entire thing as CGI or 2D animation.) I personally think Ripley's fate should be retconned to "they escaped back to Earth and lived happily ever after", then focus on new characters and stories to make the universe feel bigger. Also, ditch the albino body builders and make the space jockeys back into actual aliens; they can still wear suits, but the creature underneath should look like a Giger monster.

I personally like the pitch about the cast trying to climb through a space elevator tower and then running into spider aliens.

At some point, you're going to have to give the aliens sapient members who can grow their own ships because relying on human stupidity to keep plots going has already gotten tiring under the DH EU. Also, hire an art director who actually gets the Giger aesthetic because the new alien designs always look like melted cheese crap.

Partly because the Disney Executives ARE idiots who don't know the IPs and partly because they probably don't own the rights or are cheap fucks who don't want to pay royalties.

We saw this same thing with Star Wars:
1.- Throw away all the EU
2.- Make shitty product
3.- Complain you don't have the source material like Marvel does
4.- Profit?

As for Marvel they have done the same to a limited extent in the movies and to a greater extent in the comics:

Drax has ALWAYS been a green behemoth created by Kronos (Arthur Douglas' family was killed by Thanos and Kronos uses Arthur's soul) to kill Thanos. Kinda dumb (sometimes) and with only one objective, relentless and is reborn eevery time Thanos is broguht to life by Death to be her champion.

Heimdall never was a black guy.

IMHO it's mainly the executives being cheap, imbecilic fucks. Plus their need to push "The Message!"TM
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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2022, 04:15:15 PM »
  I watched this, and I thought it was pretty good.  I think it is on par with predator 2, not as good overall maybe but it is certainly worth the time to watch it...and I have no idea where people got the idea it was woke.  It seemed more in line with representing people as they were to a degree (trappers hate Comanches, and Comanches hate trappers) and just shot the movie from the girl's point of view instead of as a big morality tale.

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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2022, 09:49:28 AM »
Any idea which streaming service this is likely to land on?

I've seen enough somewhat favorable reviews to want to see it, though watching it in theaters is unlikely to happen.

Critical Drinker gave it some respect, not outright praise, but respect.

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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2022, 10:06:04 AM »
Any idea which streaming service this is likely to land on?

I've seen enough somewhat favorable reviews to want to see it, though watching it in theaters is unlikely to happen.

Critical Drinker gave it some respect, not outright praise, but respect.
It’s a Hulu exclusive. Skipped theaters entirely

Disney clearly had zero faith, but it broke records according to media

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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2022, 12:16:29 PM »
Any idea which streaming service this is likely to land on?

Here in Italy it is on Disney+ There is even a track in Comanche with subtitles, which is a first.
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I've seen enough somewhat favorable reviews to want to see it, though watching it in theaters is unlikely to happen.

Critical Drinker gave it some respect, not outright praise, but respect.

"Prey", IMHO, is a good movie that understands what made "Predator" great (i.e. You will not beat it by "being a warrior"). The problem is that it is surrounded by so much drek that everyone screams MASTERPIECE. Well, no, it is a good (non woke! sorry!) Predator movie and I still like Predator 2 more :) (the scene in the subway with Bill Paxton is still unmatched).

Edit: I suggested it to my friends and all of those who watched it are happy, if this means anything.
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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2022, 10:39:03 PM »
Saw some of it and was very unimpressed. They really love their stupid bullet time dont they?

As for a primitive people beating the alien. Thats not even an issue. Its been shown amply that these aliens dont wear much armor and are just as vulnerable to being shot, stabbed, and just plain punched as anyone else. They just seem to be able to take alot more punishment and seem to have some advanced medical first aid to help.

They arent stupidly invincible like 99% of most monsters and aliens anymore.


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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2022, 01:52:39 AM »
"Prey", IMHO, is a good movie that understands what made "Predator" great (i.e. You will not beat it by "being a warrior"). The problem is that it is surrounded by so much drek that everyone screams MASTERPIECE. Well, no, it is a good (non woke! sorry!) Predator movie and I still like Predator 2 more :) (the scene in the subway with Bill Paxton is still unmatched).

Yeah, I thought Prey was quite good. As other have mentioned, the CGI animals suck, but it's generally well plotted and paced. I think it nicely follows up the original Predator. The plot device of the orange flower breaks suspension of disbelief, but I see that they didn't want to repeat the more obvious tactic of the original. There's a lot of suspension of disbelief points in all the Predator movies.

Predator 2 is a different kind of movie with more humor and over-the-top ridiculousness. My biggest beef with Predator 2 is that the climax was slow. Given the over-the-top ridiculousness and pace in the first half of the film, it should have a smash-bang action-filled climax that ups the pace - like Big Trouble in Little China. Instead, we get slow crawling over drainpipes, scared old women in apartments, and first aid in a drawn out cat-and-mouse game.

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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2022, 10:01:10 AM »
Saw some of it and was very unimpressed. They really love their stupid bullet time dont they?

As for a primitive people beating the alien. Thats not even an issue. Its been shown amply that these aliens dont wear much armor and are just as vulnerable to being shot, stabbed, and just plain punched as anyone else. They just seem to be able to take alot more punishment and seem to have some advanced medical first aid to help.

They arent stupidly invincible like 99% of most monsters and aliens anymore.

My take is that the Predator we see in "Prey" suffers from two disadvantages: his tech is more primitive (and I like the idea that 300 years ago even the aliens were more primitive) and he looks at humans as another animal. A snake is a wolf is a human (considering how many humans he slaughters he may have a point).

I a way, killing the Predator may not have been smart at all. Now the other Predators see Earth as a more interesting place, as these "humans" not only weren't cattle but also they were even able to kill one of their own. During the end titles we see three more Predator ships arriving. Also, the Indian girl now owns the gun that, in Predator 2, we see in the hands of the Predators - so that matter will seemingly not end well for the humans.
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Re: Prey doesn't have a prayer
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2022, 01:55:15 PM »
In one of the Alien vs Predator novels, it discusses that Predators consider humans to be 'very advanced' prey. As in, they don't let just anyone go hunting humans.

If I recall correctly, the Preds actually rank humans right up there with Xenomorphs in terms of how dangerous they are.