The Movie Thread Reloaded

[Lurkndog]

I never understood classifying Darkman as a superhero movie. It's like saying Evil Dead 2 is a superhero movie. Kinda, sorta, maybe if you squint and broaden the definitions to their maximum.

I'd call it straight-up pulp, like The Shadow or The Spider.

Superheroes sprang up out of the pulps, but soon became their own distinct genre.

The pulps were the incubators for a lot of 20th century genres: superheroes, sci fi, horror, fantasy, men's adventure, and so on.

[ralfy]

Reminds me of the Star Wars franchise, which borrowed from Flash Gordon and various sci-fi and even western serials, plus swashbuckler flicks, war movies, and various foreign films that Lucas watched at film school.

[Omega]

Theres alot of superhero stuff thats not from Disney. It just tends to get lost in the shuffle. The Boys, which I detest, Invincible which is barely mediocre, bunches of foreign ones out there.

Kinds of similar to the spate in the 90s. There were loads of superhero TV shows.Couple of non DC or Marvel movies. Meteor Man, Darkman, Dollman, shows like Nightman and Mantis, More of you looked overseas.

There's also all of the DC TV series which are mostly complete rubbish.  I have been afraid to watch Stargirl since I actually like that character.

I liked the original Flash live action series despite it diverging heavily from the comics. Ship did a excellent Barry Allen. The new Flash series is just... stupid on stupid sometimes. Its like the writers forget the character has, you know, super speed way too often.

The Superboy TV series from the 90s was not bad either.

[Omega]

I never understood classifying Darkman as a superhero movie. It's like saying Evil Dead 2 is a superhero movie. Kinda, sorta, maybe if you squint and broaden the definitions to their maximum.

er. The Darkman movie about the scientist who is disfigured and fights crime using synthetic skin to disguise himself as different people?

Thats like claiming Batman isnt a superhero because he has no superpowers?

[Ratman_tf]

I never understood classifying Darkman as a superhero movie. It's like saying Evil Dead 2 is a superhero movie. Kinda, sorta, maybe if you squint and broaden the definitions to their maximum.

er. The Darkman movie about the scientist who is disfigured and fights crime using synthetic skin to disguise himself as different people?

Thats like claiming Batman isnt a superhero because he has no superpowers?

Darkman is a deranged psychopath. He doesn't fight crime. He wants cruel and bloody revenge on the specific criminals who caused his situation. Even at their worst, "dark and gritty" superheroes like Batman or Punisher still have some kind of code of morals and a goal to help people. Darkman is just some poor guy's ID run rampant. If anything, he has a lot more in common with supervillians.

[GeekyBugle]

I never understood classifying Darkman as a superhero movie. It's like saying Evil Dead 2 is a superhero movie. Kinda, sorta, maybe if you squint and broaden the definitions to their maximum.

er. The Darkman movie about the scientist who is disfigured and fights crime using synthetic skin to disguise himself as different people?

Thats like claiming Batman isnt a superhero because he has no superpowers?

Darkman is a deranged psychopath. He doesn't fight crime. He wants cruel and bloody revenge on the specific criminals who caused his situation. Even at their worst, "dark and gritty" superheroes like Batman or Punisher still have some kind of code of morals and a goal to help people. Darkman is just some poor guy's ID run rampant. If anything, he has a lot more in common with supervillians.

Agreed but then... Isn't The Crow the same? He's NOT fighting criminals, hes getting cruel and bloody revenge on those who killed him and his fiance.

And I looooove them both.

Furthermore, isn't Batman, Punisher, The Executioner (especially those who do kill) just extending his revenge to ALL criminals? Just playing devils advocate here but you could make THAT argument and not be 100% wrong.

[Ratman_tf]

I never understood classifying Darkman as a superhero movie. It's like saying Evil Dead 2 is a superhero movie. Kinda, sorta, maybe if you squint and broaden the definitions to their maximum.

er. The Darkman movie about the scientist who is disfigured and fights crime using synthetic skin to disguise himself as different people?

Thats like claiming Batman isnt a superhero because he has no superpowers?

Darkman is a deranged psychopath. He doesn't fight crime. He wants cruel and bloody revenge on the specific criminals who caused his situation. Even at their worst, "dark and gritty" superheroes like Batman or Punisher still have some kind of code of morals and a goal to help people. Darkman is just some poor guy's ID run rampant. If anything, he has a lot more in common with supervillians.

Agreed but then... Isn't The Crow the same? He's NOT fighting criminals, hes getting cruel and bloody revenge on those who killed him and his fiance.

And I looooove them both.

I love Darkman. (Haven't seen The Crow. ) I just don't put it in the same category as "Superhero".

Furthermore, isn't Batman, Punisher, The Executioner (especially those who do kill) just extending his revenge to ALL criminals? Just playing devils advocate here but you could make THAT argument and not be 100% wrong.

Yes. That's why I said *If you squint really hard*. Mostly because superheroes as a genre can include other stuff. Marvel in the 80's ripped of The Terminator (Cable) and Alien (The Brood) So you could argue that X-Men is a Sci Fi and/or Horror comic. But I think at that point the genre categories are pretty much useless. 
I could argue if Punisher is a superhero, why not John Rambo? They're both pretty similar characters. Military veterans who had a traumatic experience and went rogue.

[GeekyBugle]

I never understood classifying Darkman as a superhero movie. It's like saying Evil Dead 2 is a superhero movie. Kinda, sorta, maybe if you squint and broaden the definitions to their maximum.

er. The Darkman movie about the scientist who is disfigured and fights crime using synthetic skin to disguise himself as different people?

Thats like claiming Batman isnt a superhero because he has no superpowers?

Darkman is a deranged psychopath. He doesn't fight crime. He wants cruel and bloody revenge on the specific criminals who caused his situation. Even at their worst, "dark and gritty" superheroes like Batman or Punisher still have some kind of code of morals and a goal to help people. Darkman is just some poor guy's ID run rampant. If anything, he has a lot more in common with supervillians.

Agreed but then... Isn't The Crow the same? He's NOT fighting criminals, hes getting cruel and bloody revenge on those who killed him and his fiance.

And I looooove them both.

I love Darkman. (Haven't seen The Crow. ) I just don't put it in the same category as "Superhero".

Furthermore, isn't Batman, Punisher, The Executioner (especially those who do kill) just extending his revenge to ALL criminals? Just playing devils advocate here but you could make THAT argument and not be 100% wrong.

Yes. That's why I said *If you squint really hard*. Mostly because superheroes as a genre can include other stuff. Marvel in the 80's ripped of The Terminator (Cable) and Alien (The Brood) So you could argue that X-Men is a Sci Fi and/or Horror comic. But I think at that point the genre categories are pretty much useless. 
I could argue if Punisher is a superhero, why not John Rambo? They're both pretty similar characters. Military veterans who had a traumatic experience and went rogue.

You totally need to see the Crow, the original one with Brandon Lee (RIP). Totally worth it and holds up really well.

[jhkim]

You totally need to see the Crow, the original one with Brandon Lee (RIP). Totally worth it and holds up really well.

The original is going to be back in theaters later this month (May 29th and 30th), so you may be able to see it on the big screen (!).

https://www.cinemark.com/movies/the-crow-30th-anniversary