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The Movie Thread Reloaded

Started by Apparition, January 03, 2018, 11:10:35 PM

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Omega

#1380
April 20, 2024, 03:00:30 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 18, 2024, 07:06:47 PMBut is that because the sets/costumes./etc are bad, or that you can see them more clearly and see that they're "real" things?

I'm struggling to put it into words. I think HD shows things so clearly that you have little space to suspend your disbelief. Even if a prop or costume is authentic and flawless, it's still more "real" now.

I think the low def TV and film allowed us to more easily believe that the things were were looking at weren't props.

1: The sets and costumes arent the problem. Though it can and does make CGI feel more fake than it already was. I dont know. Theres something just OFF with HD.

2: Not more real in a way. More like too real. Almost artificially real. This would be great for VR or 3d viewing maybe. But as is it keeps popping me out of the movie.

3: I do not think its that. I get the same feel of too-realness from some old VHS movies. And even some cam movies. Ive even got that feeling from some really old BW silent movies.

yosemitemike

#1381
April 20, 2024, 06:11:34 PM
Some older content, especially TV show, look jankier in HD because HD lets you see things that you couldn't see in SD and aren't supposed to see.  Flaws in sets that were hidden in SD are suddenly visible in 1080p.  That floor outlet where the sci-fi panel plugs in was hidden in shadow in SD but now you can see it.  Some things were clearly never meant to be seen in 1080p.
"I am certain, however, that nothing has done so much to destroy the juridical safeguards of individual freedom as the striving after this mirage of social justice."― Friedrich Hayek
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Wrath of God

#1382
April 23, 2024, 07:51:03 AM
QuoteWeird since they have de-aging technology to make him look younger.


In Lynch's "Dune" time?
"Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon."

"And I will strike down upon thee
With great vengeance and furious anger"

"Molti Nemici, Molto Onore"

GeekyBugle

#1383
April 23, 2024, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: Wrath of God on April 23, 2024, 07:51:03 AM
QuoteWeird since they have de-aging technology to make him look younger.


In Lynch's "Dune" time?

In Hollyweird, are you smoking something?
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

HappyDaze

#1384
April 23, 2024, 11:57:43 PM
Rebel Moon Part 2 was laughably bad. I guess they were trying to go for something not-quite-steampunk with the coal powered spaceships and hand-cranked weapon turrets, but it seemed really dumb. Even worse was that everyone with a gun seemed to want to get close enough to hit people with the body of the gun rather than just shooting them. Still, I did laugh (at it), so not a total loss of time.

Omega

#1385
April 25, 2024, 11:31:54 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike on April 20, 2024, 06:11:34 PMFlaws in sets that were hidden in SD are suddenly visible in 1080p.  That floor outlet where the sci-fi panel plugs in was hidden in shadow in SD but now you can see it.  Some things were clearly never meant to be seen in 1080p.

No, it is not that at all. You could see that stuff without HD.

Lurkndog

#1386
April 27, 2024, 09:49:31 PM
Quote from: Omega on April 25, 2024, 11:31:54 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike on April 20, 2024, 06:11:34 PMFlaws in sets that were hidden in SD are suddenly visible in 1080p.  That floor outlet where the sci-fi panel plugs in was hidden in shadow in SD but now you can see it.  Some things were clearly never meant to be seen in 1080p.

No, it is not that at all. You could see that stuff without HD.


Not always. There are cases where shows were shot on 35 mm film at a 3:2 aspect ratio, and then cropped on both sides to 4:3 for broadcast. Sometimes when those shows are processed for HD, they take the original film negatives and crop them top and bottom to make a widescreen version of the show. This can lead to things that were originally intended to be cropped out appearing on screen.

There are also cases where the HD stream of a show is missing scenes, either by mistake or deliberate omission.

yosemitemike

#1387
April 28, 2024, 08:48:04 AM
Quote from: Omega on April 25, 2024, 11:31:54 PMNo, it is not that at all. You could see that stuff without HD.

Aside from the cropping issue that has already been explained, a lot of older media was clearly never meant to be seen at 1080p.  Stuff that was visible if you were really looking closely is now plainly visible once something is upscaled.  It was common to tape pieces of black paper to the panels to block reflections in TNG.  It's not that noticeable in SD.  It's plainly visible in HD.  That wire attached to a prop that you couldn't really see on a VHS copy of a low budget movie shot on video is now plain as day when it's upscaled to HD.  You are seeing things that you were not meant to see.

The removal of motion blur by interpolation also causes issues.  A lot of older media was shot at 24 fps and was intended to be seen at 24 fps.  First, the images are spread out to up the frame rate to 30 fps.  Then those images are interlaced to get it to 60 fps to match the 60hz TVs common at the time.  Then you play it on your new 120hz or 240hz TV and the TV creates inbetween frames to increase the frame rate to match your TV.  So for a 120 hz TV, you now  have a frame rate that is 5x what the movie was intended to be seen at with more fake frames than real ones.  It's good for some thing like live sports but it makes movie not look like movies any more.
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Omega

#1388
Today at 12:55:02 AM
I have not seen the TNG thing yet.

I think what I am trying to mean here is that some HD stuff looks almost too real. Again it is akin to how some movies shot on VHS can feel, or even some really old movies. Just moreso with HD.

For me at least it has nothing to do with the sets themselves.

A part of me keeps wanting to say it has something to do with the lighting. But its more than that.

yosemitemike

#1389
Today at 03:08:39 AM
Quote from: Omega on Today at 12:55:02 AMI have not seen the TNG thing yet.

I think what I am trying to mean here is that some HD stuff looks almost too real. Again it is akin to how some movies shot on VHS can feel, or even some really old movies. Just moreso with HD.

For me at least it has nothing to do with the sets themselves.

A part of me keeps wanting to say it has something to do with the lighting. But its more than that.

That's probably what is called the Soap Opera effect.  The removal of motion blur from movies shot in 24 fps makes things look too smooth
https://www.displayninja.com/what-is-the-soap-opera-effect/
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