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Picard

Started by Ratman_tf, July 21, 2019, 12:41:54 AM

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Shrieking Banshee

#105
February 28, 2020, 06:36:48 PM
Quote from: Apparition;1123196I actually really enjoyed the Kelvin Timeline films.  Sure, they weren't your father's Star Trek.

Because they had fuck all to do with Star Trek. I find it very hard to laud becoming generic action shlock as "Different". Its different to Star Trek, not different to the industry in general.

Spinachcat

#106
February 28, 2020, 09:58:03 PM
The "New Trek" movies had some solid "real Trek" moments, especially in the first film, but sadly, the producers tried too hard to be Fast & Furious in Space and didn't trust the teen audience would enjoy the quiet and smart moments that made the original series so successful.

I suspect they were wrong.

Lurkndog

#107
February 29, 2020, 10:23:53 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1123209The "New Trek" movies had some solid "real Trek" moments, especially in the first film, but sadly, the producers tried too hard to be Fast & Furious in Space and didn't trust the teen audience would enjoy the quiet and smart moments that made the original series so successful.

I suspect they were wrong.

Yeah, I liked the first one a lot, but the second and third movies were poor.

Trying to do Wrath of Khan as the second movie was a huge mistake. That's an end of cycle storyline. At the very least, shouldn't you do Space Seed first?

They also seemed to focus on doing big set-piece action scenes instead of building up their cast of characters. The stakes were always galactic in scale, never personal. And the character interactions among the crew were barely there at all. They got pushed to the side for the villain of the week.

Omega

#108
March 02, 2020, 01:59:30 PM
Quote from: Bruwulf;1122682I know I should probably try to spoiler this, but fuck it, it doesn't deserve it. Frankly, I consider this a fair warning that the show should have included, and I'm not one for trigger warnings on the whole.

So if anyone has ever thought to themselves, "You know what Star Trek has been missing for all these years? A graphic torture scene where a man's eyeball is slowly and graphically ripped out of his head in full HD glory!"?

If by some strange chance that has been a thought you've been thinking? You're in luck. Picard delivered in spades in the opening scene of today's episode.

Excuse me, I need to go be sick. Both because of the scene itself and what it means for the franchise.

Worse yet. The person being dissected? That is the borged kid they rescued in Voyager and made part of the crew.

Ratman_tf

#109
March 02, 2020, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: Omega;1123299Worse yet. The person being dissected? That is the borged kid they rescued in Voyager and made part of the crew.

Yeah. This has gone beyond them "not getting" Trek, and feels like they're intentionally pissing on the fans now.
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HappyDaze

#110
March 02, 2020, 09:55:51 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1123300Yeah. This has gone beyond them "not getting" Trek, and feels like they're intentionally pissing on the fans now.

Gotta keep up with Star Wars!

Shrieking Banshee

#111
March 02, 2020, 10:49:27 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1123300Yeah. This has gone beyond them "not getting" Trek, and feels like they're intentionally pissing on the fans now.

"If we don't get our definition of utopia then they don't get the definition of theirs!"

Spinachcat

#112
March 03, 2020, 01:58:48 AM
Has Paramount officially ended the Kelvin timeline movies? Sounds like its done.

Simon Pegg made some noises
https://collider.com/star-trek-4-delay-explained-simon-pegg/

Looper says ST 4 was canceled
https://www.looper.com/150065/the-real-reason-star-trek-4-was-canceled/

Allegedly ST 4 has a new director
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-trek-fargo-creator-noah-hawley-direct-next-film-1256352

Apparition

#113
March 03, 2020, 03:14:29 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1123320Has Paramount officially ended the Kelvin timeline movies? Sounds like its done.

Simon Pegg made some noises
https://collider.com/star-trek-4-delay-explained-simon-pegg/

Looper says ST 4 was canceled
https://www.looper.com/150065/the-real-reason-star-trek-4-was-canceled/

Allegedly ST 4 has a new director
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-trek-fargo-creator-noah-hawley-direct-next-film-1256352


Officially, no.  Unofficially, yes.

Before Star Trek Beyond went into theaters, Paramount Pictures made a contract with Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban, and the rest for a fourth film.  However, Star Trek Beyond did not do nearly as well at the box office as Paramount Pictures thought and hoped that it would.  They still wanted to do a fourth movie, but on a slashed budget compared to what they originally planned.  Paramount Pictures tried to reneg on the contract and told Chris Pine and the rest that they would be paid much less.  Chris Pine told Paramount Pictures to shove it, and keep to the contract that they originally negotiated.  After a few months, neither side would budge, so Star Trek 4 was shelved.

Omega

#114
March 04, 2020, 09:00:34 AM
Quote from: Apparition;1123364Officially, no.  Unofficially, yes.

After a few months, neither side would budge, so Star Trek 4 was shelved.

Though it seems to be living on, like a cancer, with Discovery and now Picard.

Possibly for the best. But they will not let it die and sooner or later, probably sooner, they will do a reboot with new actors but another over over over over over used time travel plot.

Spinachcat

#115
March 14, 2020, 07:20:36 PM
Ugly Star Trek rumors...BUT take the internet rumors with a yuuuuuuuge chunk of salt.
https://cosmicbook.news/star-trek-disaster-cbs-all-access-leaks

TL;DR = Star Trek is fucked with ass sauce.

Ratman_tf

#116
March 14, 2020, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1124171Ugly Star Trek rumors...BUT take the internet rumors with a yuuuuuuuge chunk of salt.
https://cosmicbook.news/star-trek-disaster-cbs-all-access-leaks

TL;DR = Star Trek is fucked with ass sauce.

Yeah, I've been following Overlord DVD and Midnight's Edge more than the actual shows. The rumors are infinitley more entertaining than current Star Trek.
But while I suspect there is serious shit going down in the board rooms, it's all still rumor.
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HappyDaze

#117
March 16, 2020, 05:24:48 AM
So the plot of Picard is that, long ago, a species got donkeypunched by their own robots and and had to destroy them then decided that if artificial lifeforms ever became too advanced that they would come back and destroy everything. Some sort of take on Battlestar Galactica where the surviving Colonials go dark. Blah.

Shrieking Banshee

#118
March 16, 2020, 12:51:04 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1124311So the plot of Picard is that, long ago, a species got donkeypunched by their own robots and and had to destroy them then decided that if artificial lifeforms ever became too advanced that they would come back and destroy everything. Some sort of take on Battlestar Galactica where the surviving Colonials go dark. Blah.

This reminds me of the plot from Stellaris.

Ratman_tf

#119
March 16, 2020, 03:29:59 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1124348This reminds me of the plot from Stellaris.

And Mass Effect.

I really dislike the idea that artificial lifeforms will inevitably lead to the android apocalypse. But even then, the story has been done better than Picard is turning out.
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