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« Reply #75 on: February 05, 2020, 03:44:14 PM »
I haven't seen it, but from the description, that really is some "next gen" CSI bullshit. Do they have Horatio there from Miami? He was always good for a laugh...I'm sure they could puthim--and his sunglasses--into Trek.

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« Reply #76 on: February 05, 2020, 03:49:48 PM »
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Membership or turn of your addblocker to read the article XD Now of course regarding teleportation, lets say of humans, is it really you who gets to the other side? or the real you is destroyed in the first trip and what comes out on the other side looks, smells, sounds, thinks and acts like you but it's an artificially created doppelganger?

And here's the main hurdle I see, the teleporter would have to be able to read your wiring and to replicate it without fail if it's the second case. Which I think it is.

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https://www.universetoday.com/143422/just-how-feasible-is-a-warp-drive/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive#Difficulties
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« Reply #77 on: February 05, 2020, 07:42:48 PM »
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive#Difficulties

Yeah, I knew of some of the difficulties but most of the science there escapes me, anyway it's theoretically possible given the right conditions as far as we currently know, new discoveries could either eliminate some of the difficulties or destroy the theory.
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« Reply #78 on: February 05, 2020, 11:30:18 PM »
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Star Trek: Discovery IS Canon....

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The fanatic is actually right here.  

Picard takes place in the STD timeline which seems to be taking place in the Abrams timeline/reboot as its using at least part of that so this hellish abomination is somehow cannon.

Big question though is this. Does Vulcan still exist or is it destroyed?

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« Reply #79 on: February 06, 2020, 12:52:48 AM »
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The fanatic is actually right here.  

Picard takes place in the STD timeline which seems to be taking place in the Abrams timeline/reboot as its using at least part of that so this hellish abomination is somehow cannon.

Big question though is this. Does Vulcan still exist or is it destroyed?

So I'm correct, since neither the Abrams timeline nor STD ARE canon, and you can't neither convince me they are or treat them as if they are.

Just like there are only 6 Star Wars movies Ep I thru VI
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« Reply #80 on: February 06, 2020, 03:35:42 AM »
The only canon at my game table is what I declare canon.

One of the reasons I prefer to use the Star Fleet Battles setting for Star Trek RPGs.


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« Reply #81 on: February 06, 2020, 08:43:08 AM »
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If we're talking quantum you could maybe extrapolate one possible state for that molecule, but how the fuck do you get the information about the other billions of molecules? It's homeopathic forensics, and as such it's BS.


If you have to add handwavium it is because quantum states are interlinked and the molecule is the key to everything else that it is linked too. But just can't wave the scanner as it would latch onto random bits you need something specific.

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« Reply #82 on: February 06, 2020, 09:03:09 AM »
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Yeah, I knew of some of the difficulties but most of the science there escapes me, anyway it's theoretically possible given the right conditions as far as we currently know, new discoveries could either eliminate some of the difficulties or destroy the theory.

The basic issue that existing FTL theories require exotic energies or extreme mass. It possible but the engineering to create the needed conditions is not there. Like trying to plan to go to the moon in 1889. Theory says it possible but the engineering state of the art at the time didn't offer any viable path. For example Verne's giant cannon would have kinda worked but any human inside would be plastered by the G-Forces which wasn't well understood by Vernes or many other people in the 19th century. That was just one of several engineering issues.

Many of the current warp theories involve building a version of Verne's giant cannon.  The math is there but ....

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« Reply #83 on: February 06, 2020, 09:17:19 AM »
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The fanatic is actually right here.  

Picard takes place in the STD timeline which seems to be taking place in the Abrams timeline/reboot as its using at least part of that so this hellish abomination is somehow cannon.

Big question though is this. Does Vulcan still exist or is it destroyed?


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« Reply #84 on: February 06, 2020, 01:19:37 PM »
I think the confusion is that while the show producers have a canon timeline split, there is a visual and tone shift linked to the 09 films. We have 3 major branches at this point.

"Classic" Trek. TOS through Enterprise. Is pretty much dead except spiritually in The Orville series.
Abrams 09 reboot films.
Discovery and now Picard.

Classic Trek is mostly optimistic, with a dip into a bit of deconstruction (DS9 and some Enterprise) and a hard nose dive into action schlock during the TNG films.

Abrams 09 Trek is flashy mindless action nonsense, with a bit of a pull-up into Classic Trek with Beyond, but not enough to save the films.

Discovery Trek retains the flash and mindless action of the Abrams films, but is a hard turn into dystopia and aggressive violence. Picard is seeming to double down on this.

While these branches aren't due to any story elements, they are visually and tonally distinctive enough to make them different versions of Star Trek.
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« Reply #85 on: February 06, 2020, 02:01:57 PM »
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The fanatic is actually right here.  

Picard takes place in the STD timeline which seems to be taking place in the Abrams timeline/reboot as its using at least part of that so this hellish abomination is somehow cannon.

Big question though is this. Does Vulcan still exist or is it destroyed?


There is STILL "Vulcan" because Picard takes place in the Prime Timeline.
Vulcan was only destroyed in the new branch off timeline known as the Kelvin Timeline in the 2250s.
"Star Trek Picard" takes place in 2399 of the Prime timeline.

Both "Star Trek Discovery" and "Star Trek Picard" take place in the regular Prime Timeline.

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« Reply #86 on: February 06, 2020, 02:48:42 PM »
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The basic issue that existing FTL theories require exotic energies or extreme mass. It possible but the engineering to create the needed conditions is not there. Like trying to plan to go to the moon in 1889. Theory says it possible but the engineering state of the art at the time didn't offer any viable path. For example Verne's giant cannon would have kinda worked but any human inside would be plastered by the G-Forces which wasn't well understood by Vernes or many other people in the 19th century. That was just one of several engineering issues.

Many of the current warp theories involve building a version of Verne's giant cannon.  The math is there but ....

Yep, the math works but you need a lot of extra stuff, which is why any setting with FTL should be placed in the distant future, lets say 1000 years+ in the future. Unless you do like Niven in Ringworld and have some much more advanced alien civilization to kindly donate the tech to humans.
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« Reply #87 on: February 06, 2020, 04:55:54 PM »
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I'd love a D&D in Spaaaaace show!


Allmost got it way back. For a brief time before their demise, TSR was working on a second Dragon Strike game called Wildspace. It would have used the same crew as from Dragon Strike and been set in space. According to a friend of mine who worked on some backgrounds, there was talk of a series and this would be the pilot. I had a flyer from TSR confirming that. Though not sure if they meant a game series or a TV series. Both?

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« Reply #88 on: February 06, 2020, 09:49:47 PM »
For your consideration, the Wildspace trailer:

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« Reply #89 on: February 06, 2020, 11:30:36 PM »
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For your consideration, the Wildspace trailer:

OMG! Thank you!

Those TSR videos are like dropping acid. I loved the DragonStrike boardgame and its too bad we didn't get Wildspace.