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« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2020, 12:52:10 AM »
I'm just here to post the RLM review.

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« Reply #61 on: February 04, 2020, 07:58:12 PM »
So be warned spoilers ahead

[SPOILER]In episode 2 they needed a clue and so a magical mcguffin is used, the "scientific" principle of it is Homeopathic Forensics.

Seriously, it needs but a molecule to reconstruct the whole scene into a hologram.[/SPOILER]

Who the fuck is writing this shit?
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« Reply #62 on: February 05, 2020, 04:38:16 AM »
But Stewart will play the role, he says, as a way of injecting some of his own virtue into a world torn by Brexit and by President Donald Trump, he tells Variety Magazine in an extensive profile.

"Picard," he notes, is "me responding to the world of Brexit and Trump and feeling, 'Why hasn't the federation changed? Why hasn't Starfleet changed? Maybe they're not as reliable and trustworthy as we all thought."

Stewart goes on to describe both the United Kingdom and the United States as "fucked."


https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/01/15/star-trek-gets-woke/


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Who the fuck is writing this shit?


Clowns as dumb as their main actor.

And when your motivation for writing is "go woke" and not "tell a great story", the results are predictable.

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« Reply #63 on: February 05, 2020, 07:23:43 AM »
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So be warned spoilers ahead

[SPOILER]In episode 2 they needed a clue and so a magical mcguffin is used, the "scientific" principle of it is Homeopathic Forensics.

Seriously, it needs but a molecule to reconstruct the whole scene into a hologram.[/SPOILER]

Who the fuck is writing this shit?

In their defense, this is the future of TNG. They had transporters that could scan you down to the atomic level and recreate you at a distance of miles. And they've had this tech for hundreds of years.
Who knows what kind of whacky technology would be possible to spin off of that kind of tech? A scanner that can "determine the quantum state of the past by extrapolating from it's current state"? No problem.

To take that defense away, they likely aren't thinking like that. This is a future with transporter doorways, yet people at Utopia Planitia were assembling starships by hand and wearing hard hats.

Post TNG, the only logical place to take the technology level, was some kind of crazy post-singularity society with sentient computers, thought operated replicators that could let you play around with matter at a whim, and genetically engineered telepathy. (The setting already has empaths and telepaths, no reason why they can't engineer it in other races) Starships would have been obsolete, with people using super-tech implants to allow them to fly through space at warp speeds without any visible hardware. Just a few super-tech force field and warp field generating implants.

I think a big part of the reason why Trek started doing prequels instead of sequels (Enterprise, 09 Trek, Discovery) is because tech-wise, the setting had no where else to go, except a strange hypertech future that wouldn't feel like Trek anymore.
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« Reply #64 on: February 05, 2020, 10:00:16 AM »
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In their defense, this is the future of TNG. They had transporters that could scan you down to the atomic level and recreate you at a distance of miles. And they've had this tech for hundreds of years.
Who knows what kind of whacky technology would be possible to spin off of that kind of tech? A scanner that can "determine the quantum state of the past by extrapolating from it's current state"? No problem.

To take that defense away, they likely aren't thinking like that. This is a future with transporter doorways, yet people at Utopia Planitia were assembling starships by hand and wearing hard hats.

Post TNG, the only logical place to take the technology level, was some kind of crazy post-singularity society with sentient computers, thought operated replicators that could let you play around with matter at a whim, and genetically engineered telepathy. (The setting already has empaths and telepaths, no reason why they can't engineer it in other races) Starships would have been obsolete, with people using super-tech implants to allow them to fly through space at warp speeds without any visible hardware. Just a few super-tech force field and warp field generating implants.

I think a big part of the reason why Trek started doing prequels instead of sequels (Enterprise, 09 Trek, Discovery) is because tech-wise, the setting had no where else to go, except a strange hypertech future that wouldn't feel like Trek anymore.

If we're talking quantum you could maybe extrapolate one possible state for that molecule, but how the fuck do you get the information about the other billions of molecules? It's homeopathic forensics, and as such it's BS.
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« Reply #65 on: February 05, 2020, 01:14:05 PM »
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If we're talking quantum you could maybe extrapolate one possible state for that molecule, but how the fuck do you get the information about the other billions of molecules? It's homeopathic forensics, and as such it's BS.

As one reviewer put it. All evidence points to the writers having read a few paragraphs of ST tech and just up and deciding its all magic now. Keep in mind too that Picard is not set in TNG. In ep 2 they clearly show the Enterprise from Discovery. So just sit back and expect more "magic" because thats all these hacks can come up with for plots. Need an antimatter replicator? Sure we can make that from 3 paperclips and the handle off a phazer because... magic!

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« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2020, 01:48:10 PM »
"But Old Star Trek Used technobabble as well!"

And that was the worst part of it every time. These hacks only care about the past for excuses and disregard it when its convenient otherwise.

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« Reply #67 on: February 05, 2020, 02:02:54 PM »
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As one reviewer put it. All evidence points to the writers having read a few paragraphs of ST tech and just up and deciding its all magic now. Keep in mind too that Picard is not set in TNG. In ep 2 they clearly show the Enterprise from Discovery. So just sit back and expect more "magic" because thats all these hacks can come up with for plots. Need an antimatter replicator? Sure we can make that from 3 paperclips and the handle off a phazer because... magic!

Exactly, this is more Bad Reboot/Kurtzman and company bullshit. It's not ST but D&D In Spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace!
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« Reply #68 on: February 05, 2020, 02:05:40 PM »
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"But Old Star Trek Used technobabble as well!"

And that was the worst part of it every time. These hacks only care about the past for excuses and disregard it when its convenient otherwise.

Exactly, and are worst at the technobabble than the previous writers of ST were (not counting STD since that shit isn't canon).
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« Reply #69 on: February 05, 2020, 02:14:46 PM »
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....not counting STD since that shit isn't canon).

Star Trek: Discovery IS Canon....

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« Reply #70 on: February 05, 2020, 02:16:57 PM »
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Star Trek: Discovery IS Canon....

-Ed C.

I guess. So is Threshold. Man why you so defensive about a mass media property.

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« Reply #71 on: February 05, 2020, 02:57:02 PM »
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If we're talking quantum you could maybe extrapolate one possible state for that molecule, but how the fuck do you get the information about the other billions of molecules? It's homeopathic forensics, and as such it's BS.

If the subatomic particles share a quantum entanglement with the other subatomic particles, and the universe is deterministic, then you could 'read' the states of all the entangled particles, and extrapolate backwards to a past state.
It's no more BS than warp drives and transporters.

Of course, I really doubt the writers thought of that, or the implications of such a scanner, they just needed to move the plot along, and were too lazy to write any forensic/detective work.
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« Reply #72 on: February 05, 2020, 03:17:06 PM »
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If the subatomic particles share a quantum entanglement with the other subatomic particles, and the universe is deterministic, then you could 'read' the states of all the entangled particles, and extrapolate backwards to a past state.
It's no more BS than warp drives and transporters.

Of course, I really doubt the writers thought of that, or the implications of such a scanner, they just needed to move the plot along, and were too lazy to write any forensic/detective work.

One particle shares a quantum entanglement with another particle, which shares the same with the first particle, it's one to one. Quantum also postulates that you can know only one thing about a particle, either it's position, speed or direction.

Now lets talk about a molecule, lets say it's from strong female character, so it's carbon based human molecule, since the biggest organ in a human is the skin we'll say it's a skin molecule. since we're mostly water we'll say it's water from a skin cell. So it's h2o.

How many particles are in ONE water molecule? It depends what you mean by particles. Water (H2O) is, of course, made up of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. Each hydrogen atom is made up of one proton and one electron. An oxygen atom is made up of 8 protons, 8 neutrons and 8 electrons. Neutrons and protons are classified as hadrons, subatomic particles that are subject to the strong force and as baryons since they are composed of three quarks. And so it goes on.

So it's got 2 proton and 2 electron from the hydrogen
and 16 protons, electrons and neutrons from the oxygen

Total particles : 52

Let's be generous and multiply all that by 3 (quarks)

52X3= 156 quarks.

Now let's say each of those is entangled with another from the same exact body you now got 156X2 = 312 quarks.

How many quarks do you guess the human body contains?

And you're disregarding that you can only know one thing about a particle. and that the molecule comes from one body, how do you reconstruct the whole scene? It's homeopathic Forensics, one molecule contains all the "info" of the other billions of molecules and since it was in contact with the other bodies it contains all the info from those bodies too.

Nope, no way you can sell me on that.


A Warp Drive Is Theoretically Possible


Theoretically Teleportation IS Possible
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« Reply #74 on: February 05, 2020, 03:34:11 PM »
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/07/12/first-particle-successfully-quantum-teleported-into-space-are-transporters-next/#32e6ebb5596e

Membership or turn of your addblocker to read the article XD Now of course regarding teleportation, lets say of humans, is it really you who gets to the other side? or the real you is destroyed in the first trip and what comes out on the other side looks, smells, sounds, thinks and acts like you but it's an artificially created doppelganger?

And here's the main hurdle I see, the teleporter would have to be able to read your wiring and to replicate it without fail if it's the second case. Which I think it is.

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https://www.universetoday.com/143422/just-how-feasible-is-a-warp-drive/
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