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« Reply #225 on: May 27, 2020, 11:40:33 AM »
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Actually it seems Moriarti's AI could be housed in a holosim about the size of a bread box. As was shown in the followup episode. And the EMH could be contained on something the size of an arm band. (with a little help from future tech)

At a guess the computer needed to generate basic and advanced AIs and even the occasional true AI was a pretty small portion of mainframe as was shown in TNG, Voyager and even at least once in DS9.

But as with everything TNG and on. It is not exactly 100% consistent.
Well - as you note, the EMH's armband is technology from the future. The EMH itself was supposedly portraying the slow advance of Federation technology. The original EMH program was developed based in part on further developing what went into Data, and it wasn't initially fully sentient. Also, the armband is described as a "holo emitter" and thus not the whole of his functionality, but rather just a way to project his body outside of the medical bay. But as you say, it wasn't completely consistent.

I don't remember the details of Moriarty's holosim. Was the bread-box-sized device intended to be a backup of him that had to be hooked up to other hardware to function, or was it completely operational on its own?

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« Reply #226 on: May 29, 2020, 08:45:22 PM »
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I don't remember the details of Moriarty's holosim. Was the bread-box-sized device intended to be a backup of him that had to be hooked up to other hardware to function, or was it completely operational on its own?

If recall right the portable emitters were also self contained. The villain actually yanked the EMH out of Voyager and into the portable emitter. Even the non-future tech ones were only about the size of a basketball.

Id have to look up the episode to be sure. But if I recall right it was Moriarty and co's actual programs, not backups, somehow now in that box sized simulator. And it was self contained. Think they put it on a shelf? All indicators was they were in there puttering around a fully simulated universe all housed in that box.

But none of its ever been consistent and depending on the writer its all over the place whats doing what when where and how. Voyager especially played fast and loose that that. DS9 toyed with it on rare occasion but had bigger fish to phaser.

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« Reply #227 on: June 03, 2020, 05:00:12 PM »
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Yeah, that's what I meant. I haven't watched TOS in a long time. Maybe I should drag my DVDs out of storage.


The Original Star Trek episodes are available streaming on Netflix.
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« Reply #228 on: June 03, 2020, 10:46:40 PM »
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The Original Star Trek episodes are available streaming on Netflix.

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« Reply #229 on: June 04, 2020, 02:06:51 AM »
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...Or DVD and Blu-Ray for regular people who aren't rich.

- Ed C.

Dude. Just TOS is 50 bucks plus shipping on Amazon.

Netflix is 16 ish bucks a month. For that you get access to TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise for just over 3 months.

Dunno why you're splitting that hair when buying all those series would cost you hundreds of dollars.
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« Reply #230 on: June 04, 2020, 05:19:01 AM »
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...Or DVD and Blu-Ray for regular people who aren't rich.

- Ed C.

I never pictured Netflix as a luxury only the rich can afford... is this one of those privilege things I'm supposed to check?

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« Reply #231 on: June 04, 2020, 07:37:41 AM »
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I never pictured Netflix as a luxury only the rich can afford... is this one of those privilege things I'm supposed to check?

In the *real world* where I live, and I assume everyone else here does as well, the poor sacrifice a good chunk of a day's pay and maybe let a kid starve so they can drop $50 on a blu-ray, the struggling middle class grumble and stretch their finances to get a Netflix membership, and the wealthy laugh from their mountaintop and pick up movies via some torrent or click and grab site.

Meanwhile the super rich and their privileged scions look disdainfully down at us all, and eat caviar while they indulge in episodes of Picard or the hard-to-find, almost legendary TOS on irc 'warez' channels.
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« Reply #232 on: June 04, 2020, 08:17:58 AM »
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Ok. So made it to the end of Picard with only a 90% loss of brain cells.

So lets get this straight.
Romulan star supernovas.
Picard and Federation vow to send evac ships.
Federation starts building evac ships with android workers.
Android workers flip out and destroy the evac fleet.
Federation wont send other ships, banns androids and Picard quits.
Someone builds android anyhoo.
Romulans resettle and seem to live semi-primitively and blame Picard.
And turns out that it was the Romulans who caused the androids to flip out. Why? Because apparently every time it ends in disaster and theres a big risk of attracting something really bad. Sooooo. The Romulans sabotaged the very ships they needed to evacuate?
And the show ends with a "love letter" to ST: Nemesis.

Im sure as hell not backtracking this mess to confirm. But if Romulus supernovad. Wouldnt it have kinda, you know, obliterated the planet? And why are the romulans resettling in the Federaion? They have a fairly large star empire left?
And if there was a planet left that needed rescuing... Isnt building ships after the fact kinda... you know... a wee bit late since as of last check even with the WTF tech of Picard, that still takes time. Usually lots of time.
And even if they lost all of those evac ships. What happened to all the other starships out there? No one at all thought to round some up and get the job done? What about the romulan ships?
Are all these writers morons?

Apparently yes.

Then theres the ending which is supposed to be all heartfelt and sad. Till you remember its all a sham, a simulation. The characters are dead and these are just copies. argh.

Honestly the entire series is a mess imo. We get told at the start that the Romulans were short on ships to evacuate their home planet yet they can suddenly pull a huge attack fleet out of their asses to attack a planet. Picard is shown to speak French in TNG and suddenly he sounds like when Peter Griffith dressed up like a pirate. To be honest Patrick Stewart is becoming the male version of Melissa McCarthy where she does not act the character but himself. That "lets go undercover with the galaxy shittiest disguise" was so bad it's not even bad funny. Appraently Stewart wanted elements of Brexit and immigration in the series. All well and good except they could not get some other character but Romulans. The character despite the writing looks like an complete and utter idiot. He put his career on the line to save the Romulans, quit Starfleet because he alone stands for the principles of Starfleet and the first chance the Romulans get they betray the character. Of course the writers will ignore that next session. If they really wanted to show immigration as a theme how about it being about ex-borg clones or Jem Hadar. They choose the race that no really trusts to be the victims of the show.

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« Reply #233 on: June 04, 2020, 08:21:07 AM »
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Dude. Just TOS is 50 bucks plus shipping on Amazon.

Netflix is 16 ish bucks a month. For that you get access to TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise for just over 3 months.

Dunno why you're splitting that hair when buying all those series would cost you hundreds of dollars.

I wish people would actually check prices before complaining about Netflix pricing. I wanted to get the Buck Rogers series in Blu-ray and season 1 costs 120$ and the short second session 41$. I ended up buying used copy of the full show on DVD for 30 including shipping.

15$ for me is the cost of one mcdonalds meal up in my neck of the woods.  Then again their is a reason why gamers have  a reputation for being notoriously cheap.

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« Reply #234 on: June 04, 2020, 09:28:24 AM »
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I wish people would actually check prices before complaining about Netflix pricing. I wanted to get the Buck Rogers series in Blu-ray and season 1 costs 120$ and the short second session 41$. I ended up buying used copy of the full show on DVD for 30 including shipping.

I got the first season on DVD as well. Love me some Buck Rogers. I feel the 2nd season, while it's got it's charms, got a bit too Star Trek-ish for me, and strayed from what made the 1st season so much fun.
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« Reply #235 on: June 04, 2020, 09:34:30 AM »
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Dude. Just TOS is 50 bucks plus shipping on Amazon.


Yeah, for three full-length seasons. $50 for 79 episodes comes out to 63 cents an episode. That is not a bad deal, especially when it's remastered in HD and you can watch the episodes with either the original effects or the new digital stuff.

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« Reply #236 on: June 04, 2020, 09:41:42 AM »
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I wish people would actually check prices before complaining about Netflix pricing. I wanted to get the Buck Rogers series in Blu-ray and season 1 costs 120$ and the short second session 41$. I ended up buying used copy of the full show on DVD for 30 including shipping.

15$ for me is the cost of one mcdonalds meal up in my neck of the woods.  Then again their is a reason why gamers have  a reputation for being notoriously cheap.

I got both seasons of Buck Rogers on DVD for $20 at Wal-mart. For that price, it was a no-brainer. Though I still experienced a bit of buyer's remorse. There are a lot of things I like about that show, but going back and rewatching it isn't one of them.

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« Reply #237 on: June 04, 2020, 10:41:00 AM »
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In the *real world* where I live, and I assume everyone else here does as well, the poor sacrifice a good chunk of a day's pay and maybe let a kid starve so they can drop $50 on a blu-ray, the struggling middle class grumble and stretch their finances to get a Netflix membership, and the wealthy laugh from their mountaintop and pick up movies via some torrent or click and grab site.

Meanwhile the super rich and their privileged scions look disdainfully down at us all, and eat caviar while they indulge in episodes of Picard or the hard-to-find, almost legendary TOS on irc 'warez' channels.


Meanwhile, I open up the catalog for my local library and find all three seasons of TOS on DVD.

Someone here is stupid.

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« Reply #238 on: June 04, 2020, 11:31:36 AM »
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In the *real world* where I live, and I assume everyone else here does as well, the poor sacrifice a good chunk of a day's pay and maybe let a kid starve so they can drop $50 on a blu-ray, the struggling middle class grumble and stretch their finances to get a Netflix membership, and the wealthy laugh from their mountaintop and pick up movies via some torrent or click and grab site.

Meanwhile the super rich and their privileged scions look disdainfully down at us all, and eat caviar while they indulge in episodes of Picard or the hard-to-find, almost legendary TOS on irc 'warez' channels.

*Edit* This has got to be satire.
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