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Author Topic: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)  (Read 2857 times)

Lurkndog

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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #45 on: June 18, 2022, 02:14:59 PM »
We're go for spoilers on Episode 5.

Man, that shot of Vader force-grabbing a starship looked every bit as terrible as the similar shot in Rise of Skywalker. Except that they also screwed up the scale of the ship so that it looked half-sized.

No, you should not be able to ground a starship with the force. If you try it, at best the ship should take off with you in tow.

Tearing the hatches off, on the other hand, looked pretty great.

Maybe if Vader had been able to force-choke the pilot?

Also, getting run through with a lightsaber should be pretty much a death sentence. Now we have both the Grand Inquisitor and Reva (presumably) surviving it.

I guess Qui-Gon Jin just wasn't that tough?
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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2022, 02:50:14 PM »
We're go for spoilers on Episode 5.

Man, that shot of Vader force-grabbing a starship looked every bit as terrible as the similar shot in Rise of Skywalker. Except that they also screwed up the scale of the ship so that it looked half-sized.

No, you should not be able to ground a starship with the force. If you try it, at best the ship should take off with you in tow.

Tearing the hatches off, on the other hand, looked pretty great.

Maybe if Vader had been able to force-choke the pilot?

Also, getting run through with a lightsaber should be pretty much a death sentence. Now we have both the Grand Inquisitor and Reva (presumably) surviving it.

I guess Qui-Gon Jin just wasn't that tough?
Size matters not, right? The Force user is not physically connected to the object they move through the Force. There's nothing wrong with using the Force to grab/lift/move a starship, but the effect did look pretty crappy.

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« Reply #47 on: June 18, 2022, 04:05:08 PM »
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Also, getting run through with a lightsaber should be pretty much a death sentence

Now that I think about it - not necessarily.
Plasma cauterizes wound - so you won't bleed out, nor die of disease.
So unless vitals are destroyed by piercing - well, that's actually seems more survivable than gun.

Slashing on the other hand... (he, he, he, hand.)
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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #48 on: June 19, 2022, 10:45:50 AM »
If darthie can kill ships with the force why'd he bother with a tie fighter in anh?  Just smash the rebel x/ywings with the force.
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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #49 on: June 19, 2022, 07:24:30 PM »
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Also, getting run through with a lightsaber should be pretty much a death sentence

Now that I think about it - not necessarily.
Plasma cauterizes wound - so you won't bleed out, nor die of disease.
So unless vitals are destroyed by piercing - well, that's actually seems more survivable than gun.

Slashing on the other hand... (he, he, he, hand.)

Having an active lightsaber bream running through your abdomen should be much worse than a blaster bolt. it's not just the hole it cuts, it's the damage it's doing to the tissue around it. It is dumping tons of energy into you, continuously, and I would think it is basically boiling your entire abdomen.


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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #50 on: June 19, 2022, 09:33:14 PM »
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Also, getting run through with a lightsaber should be pretty much a death sentence

Now that I think about it - not necessarily.
Plasma cauterizes wound - so you won't bleed out, nor die of disease.
So unless vitals are destroyed by piercing - well, that's actually seems more survivable than gun.

Slashing on the other hand... (he, he, he, hand.)

Having an active lightsaber bream running through your abdomen should be much worse than a blaster bolt. it's not just the hole it cuts, it's the damage it's doing to the tissue around it. It is dumping tons of energy into you, continuously, and I would think it is basically boiling your entire abdomen.

I would think a blade that hot would melt the hilt and the user after a few minutes. But then, we're discussing how a magic technology works via real world physics.
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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #51 on: June 19, 2022, 10:27:02 PM »
Also, getting run through with a lightsaber should be pretty much a death sentence. Now we have both the Grand Inquisitor and Reva (presumably) surviving it.

I guess Qui-Gon Jin just wasn't that tough?

Darth Maul survived being cut in half so at this point all bets have long been off an anything.

As for force grabbing a ship. Yoda did it in the animated series so there is that too.

But really dont expect anything to make sense. If the writers want  someone to force push a planet. It-Will-Happen. Because they do not care.

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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #52 on: June 19, 2022, 10:31:38 PM »
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Also, getting run through with a lightsaber should be pretty much a death sentence

Now that I think about it - not necessarily.
Plasma cauterizes wound - so you won't bleed out, nor die of disease.
So unless vitals are destroyed by piercing - well, that's actually seems more survivable than gun.

Slashing on the other hand... (he, he, he, hand.)

The first movie showed that the lightsabers do not fully cauterize. At least not enough to totally stop bleeding. So even being run through may leave internal bleeding. Though having a half inch to inch wide hole in you... bleeding may be the least of the worries.

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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #53 on: June 19, 2022, 11:14:10 PM »
A side note on lightsaber: a well made one does not emit heat.  In RotJ there was a scene of Luke building his green blade and holding it near his hand after activating it the first time. When he felt no heat come off it he knew it was good to go.

Apparently the magic.. Oh,  I meant technology contains the
 heat in the blade field.
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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #54 on: June 22, 2022, 12:47:52 PM »
Episode 6 has dropped. That's the last one. Spoilers on Saturday.

My spoiler-free opinion: it's what you would expect by now. Some good moments, just as many bad moments, and overall it just doesn't form a coherent narrative.

For the bits they outright stole from Star Wars: Rebels, Rebels did it better.

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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #55 on: June 22, 2022, 05:07:11 PM »
WTF did I just watch?  That's got to be one of the least thought-out plots I've ever seen.

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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #56 on: June 22, 2022, 10:37:33 PM »
I would think a blade that hot would melt the hilt and the user after a few minutes. But then, we're discussing how a magic technology works via real world physics.

I was thinking specifically of the scene in Phantom Menace when Qui-Gon basically melts down a metal blast door by jamming a saber into it and leaving it there for a minute. It was like the output of a furnace.

Reva not only survives that, she no-sells it.

Fucking bullshit.

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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #57 on: June 24, 2022, 12:20:00 PM »
A side note on lightsaber: a well made one does not emit heat.  In RotJ there was a scene of Luke building his green blade and holding it near his hand after activating it the first time. When he felt no heat come off it he knew it was good to go.

Apparently the magic.. Oh,  I meant technology contains the
 heat in the blade field.

Not magic. Just very advanced tech in the lightsabers case. If recall right the energy is contained in some sort of force field. It works within the original science of the setting. But falls apart increasingly as other writers have made it do things outside the norm. Much like the force and force users.

Containing the heat would make sense in this case as you do not want that much energy radiating out and around every time you turn the thing on. Combat styles would have to change to accommodate effectively swinging a flame tongue sword around.

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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #58 on: June 24, 2022, 12:33:52 PM »
I would think a blade that hot would melt the hilt and the user after a few minutes. But then, we're discussing how a magic technology works via real world physics.

Think of it as like a blowtorch, laser or arc welder. The heat is either directed away from the device. Or the heat is generated outside the device as it were.

Early on in the life of SW there was some speculation that the flanges and such on the sabers were some manner of heat dissipation system.

As for the things we are seeing in this new series. Some of was touched on way the hell back in the old Marvel comics. Things like creatures with bodies that simply could not be cut with a light saber. In one case a creature that just regenerated as fast as it was cut. So you could not even sever a limb.

Still though the Obi-Wan series has been messing with things quite a bit so really nothing they do should surprise.

No. Really. If they were to reveal that Anakin was really a Tusken Raider that had been raised by humans it at this point should surprise no one.

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Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
« Reply #59 on: June 24, 2022, 01:36:09 PM »
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A side note on lightsaber: a well made one does not emit heat.  In RotJ there was a scene of Luke building his green blade and holding it near his hand after activating it the first time. When he felt no heat come off it he knew it was good to go.

Apparently the magic.. Oh,  I meant technology contains the
 heat in the blade field.

It seems it depends of rating demands.
Quick hand cut-off allowed for non-cauterised cut. But Liam Nesson bleeding like pig from punctured stomach would be too much, so suddenly it's all burned.

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Having an active lightsaber bream running through your abdomen should be much worse than a blaster bolt. it's not just the hole it cuts, it's the damage it's doing to the tissue around it. It is dumping tons of energy into you, continuously, and I would think it is basically boiling your entire abdomen.

I mean - sure but example we've seen was quick stab and removal.
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