Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on June 08, 2022, 10:46:27 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 07, 2022, 12:53:39 AMObi-Wan sounds more on the Kathleen Kenedy side of Star Wars. Deconstructionist and disdainful of the source material.

Its all the Kathleen Kennedys side. They throw enough memberberries your way to make you forget.

I'd say the first season of Mandalorian was pretty Kennedy-free.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 08, 2022, 11:54:57 PMI'd say the first season of Mandalorian was pretty Kennedy-free.

Big Memberberry your way. The Mandelorian at the best of times is 'Reference to thing we erased-The Show!'.
Disney used it to figure out the correct 'Memberberry/Kathleen' ratio before people will eat their stuff. None of it required taking back what they did or believing something else.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on June 09, 2022, 11:36:13 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 08, 2022, 11:54:57 PMI'd say the first season of Mandalorian was pretty Kennedy-free.

Big Memberberry your way. The Mandelorian at the best of times is 'Reference to thing we erased-The Show!'.
Disney used it to figure out the correct 'Memberberry/Kathleen' ratio before people will eat their stuff. None of it required taking back what they did or believing something else.

Maybe, but I don't think so. My read is that Jon Favreau tapped into the themes of Star Wars far more effectiveley than the rest of the Disney "creatives", and Kennedy co-opted that success.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 09, 2022, 01:59:31 PMAnd Kennedy co-opted that success.

Nah. She most certainly would have had to aprove it and have a executive meeting where every element is micro-inspected. Including things like CGI Luke.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on June 09, 2022, 07:39:12 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 09, 2022, 01:59:31 PMAnd Kennedy co-opted that success.

Nah. She most certainly would have had to aprove it and have a executive meeting where every element is micro-inspected. Including things like CGI Luke.

That definitely didn't happen. Some of the actors in the scene didn't even know CGI Luke was going to be in it when they were filming it. Favreau was very successful at keeping that under wraps.

Also, Episode 4 Spoilers: Have at thee.

Quote from: Lurkndog on June 11, 2022, 09:23:06 AMThat definitely didn't happen.

You make that claim based on what? Yeah some actors may not have known things to prevent leaks or for whatever other myriad reasons. But "Hey Id like Budget allocated to use Mark Hammils likeness and a tens of thousands for the CGI involved' is gonna require grabbing some lawyers and bean counters, and a animation crew in India or South Korea or wherever else.

If you think there isn't a executive buzzard perched during every creative meeting, then you absolutely positively don't know Disney. Not telling some actors is absolutely the smallest potatoes in all of this.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on June 11, 2022, 11:36:06 AM
You make that claim based on what?

Literally none of the cast and crew knew. The scripts said that it was going to be Plo Koon.

This is the first article that Google turned up on the subject, I have seen others.

https://www.cbr.com/mandalorian-making-season-2-finale-reveals/

Quote from: Lurkndog on June 11, 2022, 05:46:20 PMLiterally none of the cast and crew knew.

While we don't have anything to confirm this beyond Disney chitter chatter. Daisy Ridly didn't end up being the amadeus of choreographed swordfighting.

Even if true, the likely reason behind these choices was 'We don't want the cast or crew to blab'. The sort of people that are likely to get interviewed. Also not after giant leaks that had happened before. 'Hiring Mark hammil and spending thousands to de-age him discreetly' not showing up in the books or budget meetings is literally beyond the ability of somebody like Favreau. Especially not in one of the most carefully controlled media companies in the world.

This is the sort of wishful thinking is what gets people to blab lies like 'There is a civil war' or 'The Sequels will get retconned to an alternate dimension'. Its just bla bla bla they are happy for you to believe so you buy their crap and talk about it if you pirate it.

Episode 5 has dropped. There were parts that weren't bad.

But man, this is not a show you want to try and think about, because it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on June 11, 2022, 11:36:06 AM
If you think there isn't a executive buzzard perched during every creative meeting, then you absolutely positively don't know Disney. Not telling some actors is absolutely the smallest potatoes in all of this.

This is the organization that greenlit a billion dollar movie trilogy without so much as a five page outline of the plot.

I suspect they're more likely to be power-tripping and issuing grandiose orders and then not following up on them.

Quote from: Lurkndog on June 15, 2022, 01:34:18 PM
But man, this is not a show you want to try and think about, because it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

It can't be any worse than Jurassic World Dominion...right...?

Quote from: Lurkndog on June 15, 2022, 02:04:47 PMThis is the organization that greenlit a billion dollar movie trilogy without so much as a five page outline of the plot.

Because buzzards don't care for art. One isn't exclusive to another.

Well I guess they just had to have a young obiwan vs Vader fight,  to hell with the fact it was pretty clear in the first movie that their encounter on the death star was their first meeting since what was later established as their last one on Mustafar.  (There was no actual contact, but vader knew who kept sending him lava lamps on his birthday.)

The shit they keep showing vader doing makes it harder and harder to feel any sympathy for him in RotJ even after it was made clear vader was corrupted by palps from childhood.

Quote from: HappyDaze on June 15, 2022, 03:45:28 PM

Quote from: Lurkndog on June 15, 2022, 01:34:18 PM
But man, this is not a show you want to try and think about, because it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

It can't be any worse than Jurassic World Dominion...right...?

I'm not about to find out. Or at least, not until I can watch Dominion for free.

Quote from: Lurkndog on June 16, 2022, 11:58:47 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on June 15, 2022, 03:45:28 PM

Quote from: Lurkndog on June 15, 2022, 01:34:18 PM
But man, this is not a show you want to try and think about, because it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

It can't be any worse than Jurassic World Dominion...right...?

I'm not about to find out. Or at least, not until I can watch Dominion for free.

Even if you don't drop $ to see it, you'll never get the 2.5 hours back.