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Title: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on May 27, 2022, 09:37:37 AM
Disney/Lucasfilm's OBI-WAN KENOBI limited series drops today. They are releasing the first two episodes, then it will be one a week each Friday for a total of six episodes.

I had thought the show was just going to be called KENOBI, but they've changed it to OBI-WAN KENOBI.

I'm still watching the first episode, so no comments for now.

In keeping with our usual delayed spoiler policy, please hold off on spoilers until Monday. Thank you.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Thornhammer on May 27, 2022, 12:34:09 PM
Well how was it?
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on May 27, 2022, 03:37:36 PM
First episode was a bit slow, but not bad. They had a good idea on how to get Obi-Wan to come out of hiding.

Their version of Tatooine doesn't have the same feel as Mando or Boba. Too many humans, and it feels more like a drama than a pulp adventure. Not necessarily a bad thing, though I hope they pick up the pace going forward.

It isn't mired in flashbacks like BoBF was.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on May 27, 2022, 04:26:35 PM
WOW. Second episode is MUCH BETTER than the first.

Much to talk about Monday.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: HappyDaze on May 28, 2022, 09:37:59 AM
Some of the camera work is annoying. Perhaps the camera is being carried by a drunken Jawa?
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on May 28, 2022, 02:34:35 PM
Some of the camera work is annoying. Perhaps the camera is being carried by a drunken Jawa?

Some of the parkour stuff in Episode 2 looked pretty bad. You could really tell that they were using wire work.

If they'd given Third Sister the helmet from Seventh Sister's costume on Rebels, they could have gotten a stunt person to just do the parkour for real.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Wntrlnd on May 28, 2022, 06:42:52 PM
Some of the camera work is annoying. Perhaps the camera is being carried by a drunken Jawa?

Some of the parkour stuff in Episode 2 looked pretty bad. You could really tell that they were using wire work.

If they'd given Third Sister the helmet from Seventh Sister's costume on Rebels, they could have gotten a stunt person to just do the parkour for real.

But by using wires they make it feel so unnatural to show that she was using force telekinesis. At least thats how I see it.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Thornhammer on May 28, 2022, 09:36:30 PM
Watched Episode 1, wasn't bad. Better than Book of Boba Fett, and nothing outright fucking stupid like Halo.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Ratman_tf on May 29, 2022, 04:49:44 PM
I'm kind of turned off of this series. After the success of The Mandalorian, Disney/Lucas seems to have taken the wrong lesson from it. Instead of telling better stories, they're doubling down on making more TV shows. Maybe manager-type thinking that there's some mysterious magic in TV shows they can tap into.

Obi-Wan, Andor, Ahsoka, Skeleton Crew, Rangers of the New Republic. It's giving me a Marvel Cinematic Universe burnout feeling.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Thornhammer on May 29, 2022, 11:00:50 PM
I'm kind of turned off of this series. After the success of The Mandalorian, Disney/Lucas seems to have taken the wrong lesson from it. Instead of telling better stories, they're doubling down on making more TV shows. Maybe manager-type thinking that there's some mysterious magic in TV shows they can tap into.

Obi-Wan, Andor, Ahsoka, Skeleton Crew, Rangers of the New Republic. It's giving me a Marvel Cinematic Universe burnout feeling.

Not going to deny that they're maybe overdoing it. I don't think they're at Marvel levels yet though.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on May 30, 2022, 09:11:23 AM
SPOILERS COMMENCING, TURN AWAY NOW IF YOU DON'T WANT SURPRISES TO BE SPOILED.
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It would be easy to say that Ewan McGregor stepped back into the role of Obi-wan like he never left, but the truth is he had to go back and relearn everything after decades away from the role. Regardless, he is excellent in the role.

Note: that periscope that pops up out of the sand outside Obi-Wan's cave? I'm pretty sure that's R2D2!

I suspect Princess Leia will be the subject of some controversy.

IMHO the girl playing young Princess Leia is doing a good job. She has Leia's attitude, and she even gets the accent right. IMHO she's a better Leia than Carrie Fisher was in the sequels.

I found her obnoxious at times, but I think I was supposed to. In this case, it works. Particularly because her attitude gets her into trouble, and when it does, there are consequences, and she is not able to get out of trouble on her own. She's a kid, not a grownup in a child's body. Leia not trusting Obi-Wan struck me as wrong, though, and I think it was overplayed. I think it is safe to say that she trusts him now.

Leia's pet robot Lola reminds me very much of mascot robots from anime, particularly Haro from Gundam.

Note that Princess Leia in Star Wars: ANH had met Darth Vader before, and she mouthed off at him in ANH too.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Thornhammer on May 30, 2022, 06:30:42 PM
I thought we'd get a lightsaber fight at the end of the second episode, where Obi-Wan juuuuust barely fends off the Third Sister, probably through a (clumsy) trick.

Not quite as enraptured with the Third Sister as some folks seem to be, but she's okay.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: HappyDaze on May 30, 2022, 06:42:10 PM
I thought we'd get a lightsaber fight at the end of the second episode, where Obi-Wan juuuuust barely fends off the Third Sister, probably through a (clumsy) trick.

Not quite as enraptured with the Third Sister as some folks seem to be, but she's okay.
The Inquisitors are so far all about as interesting as any of the background Jedi in the prequels. Rebels didn't really flesh them out much, and I don't expect too much here either.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: David Johansen on May 30, 2022, 07:22:21 PM
I quite liked young Leia and find it amazing she didn't annoy the hell out of me.

The first episode was a bit slow as others have noted and Obi was maybe a bit too mopey but the second episode was fun.  The parkour was a bit over done but it's Star Wars right?

After Book of Boba Fett, I wasn't sure I'd bother watching this.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Eirikrautha on May 30, 2022, 08:31:52 PM
So, legendary fighter has "retired" to a simple life when someone he cares about is threatened, forcing him to regain his former self.  Person he is saving doesn't recognize the they need saving by him (at least it's a kid this time, so the contrived distrust is slightly less stupid), leading to shenanigans and danger, wherein the fighter proves himself.  How... original.

Look, Star Wars made itself by reframing traditional tropes (though there's a bit more power to the archetypical Hero myth than... this), so that's not necessarily a bad thing.  But if you are going to walk where many have tread before, your "hero" needs to, at the very least, carve his own path.  Do something original.  But the only selling point here (besides the pathetical, self-doubting Luke Skywalker... er, I mean Obi-Wan Kenobi... is this a pattern with Disney?) is the fact that Disney dares to have a hypercompetent, don't-need-no-man, (poorly-acted) black woman villain (does this mean Disney hates black people and women? Isn't the main villain of the Mandalorian black, too?  Disney = KKK confirmed!).  Bravo.

I mean, if given the option to rewatch one or the other, I'd pick John Wick over Obi-Wan every time.  At least John Wick is no brooding wuss...
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Thornhammer on May 31, 2022, 10:33:43 AM
But the only selling point here (besides the pathetical, self-doubting Luke Skywalker... er, I mean Obi-Wan Kenobi... is this a pattern with Disney?) is the fact that Disney dares to have a hypercompetent, don't-need-no-man, (poorly-acted) black woman villain (does this mean Disney hates black people and women? Isn't the main villain of the Mandalorian black, too?  Disney = KKK confirmed!).  Bravo.

If I had to guess, she will wind up redeemed by the end of the series and possibly get her own spinoff.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on May 31, 2022, 10:58:19 AM
The Inquisitors are so far all about as interesting as any of the background Jedi in the prequels. Rebels didn't really flesh them out much, and I don't expect too much here either.

We'll probably get some more back story on Third Sister. I think she was one of the younglings who escaped the Jedi Temple massacre on Coruscant.

It seems they have retconned the Inquisitors to be fallen jedi, instead of wannabee Sith. This would power them up a fair bit, as the Rebels version of the Inquisitors were bullies and mid-bosses at best, and Obi-wan is a Master Jedi capable of single-handedly defeating multiple Sith.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: HappyDaze on May 31, 2022, 02:45:39 PM
The Inquisitors are so far all about as interesting as any of the background Jedi in the prequels. Rebels didn't really flesh them out much, and I don't expect too much here either.

We'll probably get some more back story on Third Sister. I think she was one of the younglings who escaped the Jedi Temple massacre on Coruscant.

It seems they have retconned the Inquisitors to be fallen jedi, instead of wannabee Sith. This would power them up a fair bit, as the Rebels version of the Inquisitors were bullies and mid-bosses at best, and Obi-wan is a Master Jedi capable of single-handedly defeating multiple Sith.
The Inquisitors are the same as they were in Rebels (i.e., former Jedi). Obi-Wan, OTOH, is out of practice and shaken with doubts & bitterness. He's the one that's changed (back) by the time of Rebels (which begins roughly 5 years later).
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Saturday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on June 01, 2022, 09:39:52 AM
Episode 3 dropped this morning. They're now coming out on Wednesdays instead of Friday.

I haven't had a chance to watch it all the way through.

Shall we say spoilers on Saturday?
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Thornhammer on June 01, 2022, 06:59:42 PM
Was the Wednesday thing a change in plans or was it always going to be Wednesdays?
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Saturday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on June 01, 2022, 07:41:01 PM
I think it was a change in plans, I had read that it was going to be Fridays for the duration. That's why I put "No spoilers until Monday" in the title.

I honestly don't know for sure, though.

The third episode was not as good as the second, but better than the first. I'm not how I feel about it. I'll hold off on spoilers until Saturday.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Saturday, please)
Post by: Thornhammer on June 01, 2022, 09:50:05 PM
I think it was a change in plans, I had read that it was going to be Fridays for the duration. That's why I put "No spoilers until Monday" in the title.

Yep, you sure did. I didn't think about that.

Wonder what brought on the change.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Saturday, please)
Post by: Eirikrautha on June 01, 2022, 11:02:24 PM
I think it was a change in plans, I had read that it was going to be Fridays for the duration. That's why I put "No spoilers until Monday" in the title.

Yep, you sure did. I didn't think about that.

Wonder what brought on the change.

Rumor has it that Disney wanted to capitalize on the buzz from the launch and get the next episode out quickly while there was still a chance for it to boost subscriptions and press.  Too bad this episode was... inferior...
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on June 05, 2022, 10:55:59 AM
We are go for spoilers on Kenobi Episode 3.

If an episode drops on Wednesday, assume the spoiler ban lifts on Saturday. I'm not a mod, so you don't have to wait on me.

Sorry I didn't post that yesterday, I was kind of busy with boring real life stuff and didn't even think about it.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on June 06, 2022, 01:35:57 PM
I was not expecting a direct confrontation between Obi-Wan and Vader. I was also not expecting Obi-Wan to be nerfed so completely.

He's been shown to be doing fairly demanding physical work, long shifts at the sandworm processing tent, riding his space camel, etc. And we saw him being decisively fast in the Star Wars cantina fight in A New Hope, and in Star Wars Rebels.

Obi-Wan Kenobi should not be standing there flatfooted as if to say "Jeepers, he's using the FORCE!"

Are they making Obi-Wan lame to try and make Vader look tough in comparison?

It is genuinely odd to see Obi-Wan Kenobi drawing his lightsaber, and it coming across as an admission of weakness.

And speaking of Vader, I know they're trying to recreate the Vader we saw in Rogue One, but I still don't like the way he moves and fights. He's slow and lumbering, as if his mechanical limbs don't work all that well. But there are plenty of Star Wars characters with cybernetic arms and legs who are every bit as agile as flesh and blood. Also, he doesn't move or fight anything like he does in the prequels.

Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Eirikrautha on June 06, 2022, 08:20:00 PM
I was not expecting a direct confrontation between Obi-Wan and Vader. I was also not expecting Obi-Wan to be nerfed so completely.

He's been shown to be doing fairly demanding physical work, long shifts at the sandworm processing tent, riding his space camel, etc. And we saw him being decisively fast in the Star Wars cantina fight in A New Hope, and in Star Wars Rebels.

Obi-Wan Kenobi should not be standing there flatfooted as if to say "Jeepers, he's using the FORCE!"

Are they making Obi-Wan lame to try and make Vader look tough in comparison?

It is genuinely odd to see Obi-Wan Kenobi drawing his lightsaber, and it coming across as an admission of weakness.

And speaking of Vader, I know they're trying to recreate the Vader we saw in Rogue One, but I still don't like the way he moves and fights. He's slow and lumbering, as if his mechanical limbs don't work all that well. But there are plenty of Star Wars characters with cybernetic arms and legs who are every bit as agile as flesh and blood. Also, he doesn't move or fight anything like he does in the prequels.
No, they are making Obi-Wan lame because you like him, and it's important for you to recognize that what you like is wrong and problematic, especially if it is a white male who shows competence (that's literally white supremacy).  So when Third Sister changes sides, defeats Vader, and saves Obi-Wan, you can understand how to destroy white patriarchy...

God, I just threw up in my mouth...
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on June 06, 2022, 08:34:59 PM
'Why does my abusive girlfriend keep hitting me!'

Just dump her already. She isn't going to change.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Ratman_tf on June 07, 2022, 12:53:39 AM
I was not expecting a direct confrontation between Obi-Wan and Vader. I was also not expecting Obi-Wan to be nerfed so completely.

He's been shown to be doing fairly demanding physical work, long shifts at the sandworm processing tent, riding his space camel, etc. And we saw him being decisively fast in the Star Wars cantina fight in A New Hope, and in Star Wars Rebels.

Obi-Wan Kenobi should not be standing there flatfooted as if to say "Jeepers, he's using the FORCE!"

Are they making Obi-Wan lame to try and make Vader look tough in comparison?

It is genuinely odd to see Obi-Wan Kenobi drawing his lightsaber, and it coming across as an admission of weakness.

And speaking of Vader, I know they're trying to recreate the Vader we saw in Rogue One, but I still don't like the way he moves and fights. He's slow and lumbering, as if his mechanical limbs don't work all that well. But there are plenty of Star Wars characters with cybernetic arms and legs who are every bit as agile as flesh and blood. Also, he doesn't move or fight anything like he does in the prequels.
No, they are making Obi-Wan lame because you like him, and it's important for you to recognize that what you like is wrong and problematic, especially if it is a white male who shows competence (that's literally white supremacy).  So when Third Sister changes sides, defeats Vader, and saves Obi-Wan, you can understand how to destroy white patriarchy...

God, I just threw up in my mouth...

Yep. Sounds like I'm not missing anything good. Obi-Wan sounds more on the Kathleen Kenedy side of Star Wars. Deconstructionist and disdainful of the source material.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on June 08, 2022, 10:46:27 AM
Obi-Wan sounds more on the Kathleen Kenedy side of Star Wars. Deconstructionist and disdainful of the source material.

Its all the Kathleen Kennedys side. They throw enough memberberries your way to make you forget.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on June 08, 2022, 05:23:54 PM
Episode 4 dropped today. More of the same.

Definitely the Kathleen Kennedy side of the franchise.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Ratman_tf on June 08, 2022, 11:54:57 PM
Obi-Wan sounds more on the Kathleen Kenedy side of Star Wars. Deconstructionist and disdainful of the source material.

Its all the Kathleen Kennedys side. They throw enough memberberries your way to make you forget.

I'd say the first season of Mandalorian was pretty Kennedy-free.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on June 09, 2022, 11:36:13 AM
I'd say the first season of Mandalorian was pretty Kennedy-free.

Big Memberberry your way. The Mandelorian at the best of times is 'Reference to thing we erased-The Show!'.
Disney used it to figure out the correct 'Memberberry/Kathleen' ratio before people will eat their stuff. None of it required taking back what they did or believing something else.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Ratman_tf on June 09, 2022, 01:59:31 PM
I'd say the first season of Mandalorian was pretty Kennedy-free.

Big Memberberry your way. The Mandelorian at the best of times is 'Reference to thing we erased-The Show!'.
Disney used it to figure out the correct 'Memberberry/Kathleen' ratio before people will eat their stuff. None of it required taking back what they did or believing something else.

Maybe, but I don't think so. My read is that Jon Favreau tapped into the themes of Star Wars far more effectiveley than the rest of the Disney "creatives", and Kennedy co-opted that success.

Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on June 09, 2022, 07:39:12 PM
And Kennedy co-opted that success.

Nah. She most certainly would have had to aprove it and have a executive meeting where every element is micro-inspected. Including things like CGI Luke.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on June 11, 2022, 09:23:06 AM
And Kennedy co-opted that success.

Nah. She most certainly would have had to aprove it and have a executive meeting where every element is micro-inspected. Including things like CGI Luke.

That definitely didn't happen. Some of the actors in the scene didn't even know CGI Luke was going to be in it when they were filming it. Favreau was very successful at keeping that under wraps.

Also, Episode 4 Spoilers: Have at thee.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on June 11, 2022, 11:36:06 AM
That definitely didn't happen.

You make that claim based on what? Yeah some actors may not have known things to prevent leaks or for whatever other myriad reasons. But "Hey Id like Budget allocated to use Mark Hammils likeness and a tens of thousands for the CGI involved' is gonna require grabbing some lawyers and bean counters, and a animation crew in India or South Korea or wherever else.

If you think there isn't a executive buzzard perched during every creative meeting, then you absolutely positively don't know Disney. Not telling some actors is absolutely the smallest potatoes in all of this.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on June 11, 2022, 05:46:20 PM
You make that claim based on what?

Literally none of the cast and crew knew. The scripts said that it was going to be Plo Koon.

This is the first article that Google turned up on the subject, I have seen others.

https://www.cbr.com/mandalorian-making-season-2-finale-reveals/
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on June 11, 2022, 06:02:51 PM
Literally none of the cast and crew knew.

While we don't have anything to confirm this beyond Disney chitter chatter. Daisy Ridly (https://www.nme.com/news/star-wars-last-jedi-daisy-ridleylightsaber-training-2167961) didn't end up being the amadeus of choreographed swordfighting.

Even if true, the likely reason behind these choices was 'We don't want the cast or crew to blab'. The sort of people that are likely to get interviewed. Also not after giant leaks that had happened before. 'Hiring Mark hammil and spending thousands to de-age him discreetly' not showing up in the books or budget meetings is literally beyond the ability of somebody like Favreau. Especially not in one of the most carefully controlled media companies in the world.

This is the sort of wishful thinking is what gets people to blab lies like 'There is a civil war' or 'The Sequels will get retconned to an alternate dimension'. Its just bla bla bla they are happy for you to believe so you buy their crap and talk about it if you pirate it.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on June 15, 2022, 01:34:18 PM
Episode 5 has dropped. There were parts that weren't bad.

But man, this is not a show you want to try and think about, because it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on June 15, 2022, 02:04:47 PM
If you think there isn't a executive buzzard perched during every creative meeting, then you absolutely positively don't know Disney. Not telling some actors is absolutely the smallest potatoes in all of this.

This is the organization that greenlit a billion dollar movie trilogy without so much as a five page outline of the plot.

I suspect they're more likely to be power-tripping and issuing grandiose orders and then not following up on them.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: HappyDaze on June 15, 2022, 03:45:28 PM
But man, this is not a show you want to try and think about, because it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
It can't be any worse than Jurassic World Dominion...right...?
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on June 15, 2022, 05:40:52 PM
This is the organization that greenlit a billion dollar movie trilogy without so much as a five page outline of the plot.

Because buzzards don't care for art. One isn't exclusive to another.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Battlemaster on June 15, 2022, 10:44:56 PM
Well I guess they just had to have a young obiwan vs Vader fight,  to hell with the fact it was pretty clear in the first movie that their encounter on the death star was their first meeting since what was later established as their last one on Mustafar.  (There was no actual contact, but vader knew who kept sending him lava lamps on his birthday.)

The shit they keep showing vader doing makes it harder and harder to feel any sympathy for him in RotJ even after it was made clear vader was corrupted by palps from childhood.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on June 16, 2022, 11:58:47 AM
But man, this is not a show you want to try and think about, because it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
It can't be any worse than Jurassic World Dominion...right...?

I'm not about to find out. Or at least, not until I can watch Dominion for free.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: HappyDaze on June 16, 2022, 05:44:57 PM
But man, this is not a show you want to try and think about, because it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
It can't be any worse than Jurassic World Dominion...right...?

I'm not about to find out. Or at least, not until I can watch Dominion for free.
Even if you don't drop $ to see it, you'll never get the 2.5 hours back.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on June 18, 2022, 02:14:59 PM
We're go for spoilers on Episode 5.

Man, that shot of Vader force-grabbing a starship looked every bit as terrible as the similar shot in Rise of Skywalker. Except that they also screwed up the scale of the ship so that it looked half-sized.

No, you should not be able to ground a starship with the force. If you try it, at best the ship should take off with you in tow.

Tearing the hatches off, on the other hand, looked pretty great.

Maybe if Vader had been able to force-choke the pilot?

Also, getting run through with a lightsaber should be pretty much a death sentence. Now we have both the Grand Inquisitor and Reva (presumably) surviving it.

I guess Qui-Gon Jin just wasn't that tough?
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: HappyDaze on June 18, 2022, 02:50:14 PM
We're go for spoilers on Episode 5.

Man, that shot of Vader force-grabbing a starship looked every bit as terrible as the similar shot in Rise of Skywalker. Except that they also screwed up the scale of the ship so that it looked half-sized.

No, you should not be able to ground a starship with the force. If you try it, at best the ship should take off with you in tow.

Tearing the hatches off, on the other hand, looked pretty great.

Maybe if Vader had been able to force-choke the pilot?

Also, getting run through with a lightsaber should be pretty much a death sentence. Now we have both the Grand Inquisitor and Reva (presumably) surviving it.

I guess Qui-Gon Jin just wasn't that tough?
Size matters not, right? The Force user is not physically connected to the object they move through the Force. There's nothing wrong with using the Force to grab/lift/move a starship, but the effect did look pretty crappy.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Wrath of God on June 18, 2022, 04:05:08 PM
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Also, getting run through with a lightsaber should be pretty much a death sentence

Now that I think about it - not necessarily.
Plasma cauterizes wound - so you won't bleed out, nor die of disease.
So unless vitals are destroyed by piercing - well, that's actually seems more survivable than gun.

Slashing on the other hand... (he, he, he, hand.)
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Battlemaster on June 19, 2022, 10:45:50 AM
If darthie can kill ships with the force why'd he bother with a tie fighter in anh?  Just smash the rebel x/ywings with the force.
Title: Re: OBI-WAN KENOBI (No spoilers until Monday, please)
Post by: Lurkndog on June 19, 2022, 07:24:30 PM
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Also, getting run through with a lightsaber should be pretty much a death sentence

Now that I think about it - not necessarily.
Plasma cauterizes wound - so you won't bleed out, nor die of disease.
So unless vitals are destroyed by piercing - well, that's actually seems more survivable than gun.

Slashing on the other hand... (he, he, he, hand.)

Having an active lightsaber bream running through your abdomen should be much worse than a blaster bolt. it's not just the hole it cuts, it's the damage it's doing to the tissue around it. It is dumping tons of energy into you, continuously, and I would think it is basically boiling your entire abdomen.

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Post by: Ratman_tf on June 19, 2022, 09:33:14 PM
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Also, getting run through with a lightsaber should be pretty much a death sentence

Now that I think about it - not necessarily.
Plasma cauterizes wound - so you won't bleed out, nor die of disease.
So unless vitals are destroyed by piercing - well, that's actually seems more survivable than gun.

Slashing on the other hand... (he, he, he, hand.)

Having an active lightsaber bream running through your abdomen should be much worse than a blaster bolt. it's not just the hole it cuts, it's the damage it's doing to the tissue around it. It is dumping tons of energy into you, continuously, and I would think it is basically boiling your entire abdomen.

I would think a blade that hot would melt the hilt and the user after a few minutes. But then, we're discussing how a magic technology works via real world physics.
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Post by: Omega on June 19, 2022, 10:27:02 PM
Also, getting run through with a lightsaber should be pretty much a death sentence. Now we have both the Grand Inquisitor and Reva (presumably) surviving it.

I guess Qui-Gon Jin just wasn't that tough?

Darth Maul survived being cut in half so at this point all bets have long been off an anything.

As for force grabbing a ship. Yoda did it in the animated series so there is that too.

But really dont expect anything to make sense. If the writers want  someone to force push a planet. It-Will-Happen. Because they do not care.
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Post by: Omega on June 19, 2022, 10:31:38 PM
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Also, getting run through with a lightsaber should be pretty much a death sentence

Now that I think about it - not necessarily.
Plasma cauterizes wound - so you won't bleed out, nor die of disease.
So unless vitals are destroyed by piercing - well, that's actually seems more survivable than gun.

Slashing on the other hand... (he, he, he, hand.)

The first movie showed that the lightsabers do not fully cauterize. At least not enough to totally stop bleeding. So even being run through may leave internal bleeding. Though having a half inch to inch wide hole in you... bleeding may be the least of the worries.
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Post by: Battlemaster on June 19, 2022, 11:14:10 PM
A side note on lightsaber: a well made one does not emit heat.  In RotJ there was a scene of Luke building his green blade and holding it near his hand after activating it the first time. When he felt no heat come off it he knew it was good to go.

Apparently the magic.. Oh,  I meant technology contains the
 heat in the blade field.
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Post by: Lurkndog on June 22, 2022, 12:47:52 PM
Episode 6 has dropped. That's the last one. Spoilers on Saturday.

My spoiler-free opinion: it's what you would expect by now. Some good moments, just as many bad moments, and overall it just doesn't form a coherent narrative.

For the bits they outright stole from Star Wars: Rebels, Rebels did it better.
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Post by: Eirikrautha on June 22, 2022, 05:07:11 PM
WTF did I just watch?  That's got to be one of the least thought-out plots I've ever seen.
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Post by: Lurkndog on June 22, 2022, 10:37:33 PM
I would think a blade that hot would melt the hilt and the user after a few minutes. But then, we're discussing how a magic technology works via real world physics.

I was thinking specifically of the scene in Phantom Menace when Qui-Gon basically melts down a metal blast door by jamming a saber into it and leaving it there for a minute. It was like the output of a furnace.

Reva not only survives that, she no-sells it.

Fucking bullshit.
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Post by: Omega on June 24, 2022, 12:20:00 PM
A side note on lightsaber: a well made one does not emit heat.  In RotJ there was a scene of Luke building his green blade and holding it near his hand after activating it the first time. When he felt no heat come off it he knew it was good to go.

Apparently the magic.. Oh,  I meant technology contains the
 heat in the blade field.

Not magic. Just very advanced tech in the lightsabers case. If recall right the energy is contained in some sort of force field. It works within the original science of the setting. But falls apart increasingly as other writers have made it do things outside the norm. Much like the force and force users.

Containing the heat would make sense in this case as you do not want that much energy radiating out and around every time you turn the thing on. Combat styles would have to change to accommodate effectively swinging a flame tongue sword around.
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Post by: Omega on June 24, 2022, 12:33:52 PM
I would think a blade that hot would melt the hilt and the user after a few minutes. But then, we're discussing how a magic technology works via real world physics.

Think of it as like a blowtorch, laser or arc welder. The heat is either directed away from the device. Or the heat is generated outside the device as it were.

Early on in the life of SW there was some speculation that the flanges and such on the sabers were some manner of heat dissipation system.

As for the things we are seeing in this new series. Some of was touched on way the hell back in the old Marvel comics. Things like creatures with bodies that simply could not be cut with a light saber. In one case a creature that just regenerated as fast as it was cut. So you could not even sever a limb.

Still though the Obi-Wan series has been messing with things quite a bit so really nothing they do should surprise.

No. Really. If they were to reveal that Anakin was really a Tusken Raider that had been raised by humans it at this point should surprise no one.
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Post by: Wrath of God on June 24, 2022, 01:36:09 PM
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A side note on lightsaber: a well made one does not emit heat.  In RotJ there was a scene of Luke building his green blade and holding it near his hand after activating it the first time. When he felt no heat come off it he knew it was good to go.

Apparently the magic.. Oh,  I meant technology contains the
 heat in the blade field.

It seems it depends of rating demands.
Quick hand cut-off allowed for non-cauterised cut. But Liam Nesson bleeding like pig from punctured stomach would be too much, so suddenly it's all burned.

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Having an active lightsaber bream running through your abdomen should be much worse than a blaster bolt. it's not just the hole it cuts, it's the damage it's doing to the tissue around it. It is dumping tons of energy into you, continuously, and I would think it is basically boiling your entire abdomen.

I mean - sure but example we've seen was quick stab and removal.
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Post by: Lurkndog on June 25, 2022, 03:22:21 PM
It's Saturday, spoilers are now allowed.
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Oh, look! A completely unconvincing starship chase. Where have I seen that before?

It's especially bad because the opening of Star Wars Episode IV did the same scene so much better. Both in cinematography, and in music, and in just overall believability.

Remember when star destroyers were fast, and could shoot straight? And were equipped with tractor beams and fighters?

I did kinda like the shuttle Obi-wan took off in. Having the engines tuck into the fuselage once it landed was neat, and made sense. 

I also liked the scene where Owen and Beru talk about defending their home.

I like Haja Estree, the fake Jedi with a heart of gold. At first glance, pretending to be a Jedi seems like a suicidally bad idea in a universe run by the Empire. But if the powers that be know you're a fake, and don't just shoot you on sight, then it just might let you attract the attention of any real Jedi, and hustle them along the underground railroad before the Empire spots them. It's probably not going to be a long career, but if you want to be a hero...

Not a super big fan of the showdown between Kenobi and Vader. Kenobi gets buried alive, then a couple minutes later he's back and all of a sudden he's ten times stronger. The shot of Anakin staring out of Vader's helmet is a good one, but Star Wars Rebels did it first and better. 

What I really don't like is how the show stomps all over Star Wars continuity. It seems clear in Episode IV that Kenobi and Vader haven't faced each other before. Even the dialog between them robs from Episode IV. And it's pretty clear in episode IV that Luke hasn't had a run-in with the Sith before either, or seen a lightsaber in action, or met Obi-Wan.
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Post by: Eirikrautha on June 25, 2022, 04:58:16 PM
It's Saturday, spoilers are now allowed.
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Oh, look! A completely unconvincing starship chase. Where have I seen that before?

It's especially bad because the opening of Star Wars Episode IV did the same scene so much better. Both in cinematography, and in music, and in just overall believability.

Remember when star destroyers were fast, and could shoot straight? And were equipped with tractor beams and fighters?

I did kinda like the shuttle Obi-wan took off in. Having the engines tuck into the fuselage once it landed was neat, and made sense. 

I also liked the scene where Owen and Beru talk about defending their home.

I like Haja Estree, the fake Jedi with a heart of gold. At first glance, pretending to be a Jedi seems like a suicidally bad idea in a universe run by the Empire. But if the powers that be know you're a fake, and don't just shoot you on sight, then it just might let you attract the attention of any real Jedi, and hustle them along the underground railroad before the Empire spots them. It's probably not going to be a long career, but if you want to be a hero...

Not a super big fan of the showdown between Kenobi and Vader. Kenobi gets buried alive, then a couple minutes later he's back and all of a sudden he's ten times stronger. The shot of Anakin staring out of Vader's helmet is a good one, but Star Wars Rebels did it first and better. 

What I really don't like is how the show stomps all over Star Wars continuity. It seems clear in Episode IV that Kenobi and Vader haven't faced each other before. Even the dialog between them robs from Episode IV. And it's pretty clear in episode IV that Luke hasn't had a run-in with the Sith before either, or seen a lightsaber in action, or met Obi-Wan.

I'm going to disagree on your last point, as both Luke and Ben recognize each other by sight in Episode 4.  But the rest of the criticisms hold.  Plus, since when was Aunt Beru a badass? Owen must be meek, so that a stronk womyn can show him the way.  Disney just destroys everything it touches.  The Mandalorian was pretty good, but I don't hold out any hope that it won't be obnoxiously woke-ified in its next season, either...
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Post by: HappyDaze on June 25, 2022, 06:19:35 PM
Apparently evasive manuevers here just means veering back and forth but making sure to stay right in front of your pursuer. Maybe this is the Star Wars take on Equilibrium's "the safest place in the room is standing in the open right in the middle of it..."

Also, if a Star Destroyer can't take out a single non-military ship at point blank range (it seemed really close), then what the fuck can it do with it's guns?
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Post by: Ruprecht on June 25, 2022, 08:04:44 PM
The series felt to me like a movie that was stretched out into a 6 episode series.
I think the lamest bit to me was little princess getting kidnapped from the Organa grounds and they call on Kenobi to get her back? Really? He's on another planet and he's a hunted fugitive, it felt so forced.
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Post by: HappyDaze on June 25, 2022, 08:53:07 PM
The series felt to me like a movie that was stretched out into a 6 episode series.
I think the lamest bit to me was little princess getting kidnapped from the Organa grounds and they call on Kenobi to get her back? Really? He's on another planet and he's a hunted fugitive, it felt so forced.

Considering too that he's an Imperial Senator and rules a planet, you'd think he might have some operatives he could call on through his own position, but no.
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Post by: Shrieking Banshee on June 25, 2022, 11:45:48 PM
Also, if a Star Destroyer can't take out a single non-military ship at point blank range (it seemed really close), then what the fuck can it do with it's guns?

This is the longterm effect of leaning on the trappings. Storm Troopers don't have a high bodycount in the OT but they where by and large treated seriously. The Eworks are an exception, but even they don't succeed in a bloodless route (from what I remember). But because 'Lol aim bad' is all that is remembered, now they are all jokes.

Similar deal with Star Destroyers now as well.
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Post by: Lurkndog on June 26, 2022, 10:31:04 AM
I think the lamest bit to me was little princess getting kidnapped from the Organa grounds and they call on Kenobi to get her back? Really? He's on another planet and he's a hunted fugitive, it felt so forced.

I think the key here is that Leia was quickly taken off-planet. Alderaan is a peaceful planet, Leia even says it in Episode IV, and it seems to be true. The palace guards appear to be largely ceremonial, and are basically mall cops. Alderaan's space fleet is probably more Coast Guard and diplomacy than Navy Seals. They probably aren't set up to project military power, and I would guess their government would not support a military response.

Baal Organa might also have to keep his actions under the table to avoid ruffling the feathers of pacifists in the aristocracy.

Plus, Obi-Wan is the person who brought Leia to the Organa family in the first place. He's already involved.

It is also possible that this crisis is what prompts Baal Organa to begin quietly putting together a private army, that eventually becomes part of the Rebellion.
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Post by: Ghostmaker on June 27, 2022, 08:45:37 AM
I think the lamest bit to me was little princess getting kidnapped from the Organa grounds and they call on Kenobi to get her back? Really? He's on another planet and he's a hunted fugitive, it felt so forced.

I think the key here is that Leia was quickly taken off-planet. Alderaan is a peaceful planet, Leia even says it in Episode IV, and it seems to be true. The palace guards appear to be largely ceremonial, and are basically mall cops. Alderaan's space fleet is probably more Coast Guard and diplomacy than Navy Seals. They probably aren't set up to project military power, and I would guess their government would not support a military response.

Baal Organa might also have to keep his actions under the table to avoid ruffling the feathers of pacifists in the aristocracy.

Plus, Obi-Wan is the person who brought Leia to the Organa family in the first place. He's already involved.

It is also possible that this crisis is what prompts Baal Organa to begin quietly putting together a private army, that eventually becomes part of the Rebellion.
Supposedly he was already starting to do that. There's a bit in Episode 3 where Padme tells him basically 'switch to plan B' and Bail's reaction is 'that'll take twenty years'. The implication is that she told him to start laying groundwork right then to start the rebellion.
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Post by: Thornhammer on June 27, 2022, 08:28:08 PM
If I had to guess, she will wind up redeemed by the end of the series and possibly get her own spinoff.

I’d love to take credit for this guess but it was SO predictable it would have been like me guessing the sun will rise tomorrow.

I liked the ending. Show was overall, again, better than Boba Fett and not as good as The Mandalorian.