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Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: JongWK on December 10, 2006, 04:45:30 PM
The fucker is gone.


CNN story. (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/12/10/pinochet.ap/index.html)

BBC News story. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6167237.stm)
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: Dominus Nox on December 10, 2006, 06:22:40 PM
Well, I guess that the devil will be hiring a few dozen more demons to help torture him as much as he deserves.

I wonder if they'll stick him and nixon in the same pit?
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: RPGPundit on December 10, 2006, 09:34:36 PM
From Mario Benedetti (originally written in honour of a different Bastard's death, but it applies just as well to Pinochet):

(English translation by RPGPundit):

the Death of a Bastard
poem by Mario Benedetti


Bastards live a long time, but one day they die

Obituary with Hurrah!
Let's celebrate it
Come everybody
The innocents
Those who have been hurt
and cry during the night
Those who dream during the day
Those who suffer in their bodies
Those who keep ghosts
Those who walk barefoot
Those who curse the gods
and burn with passion
The frozen poor
Those who love somebody
Those who never forget
Let's celebrate!
Come everybody
The crapulent one is dead
The dark soul is finished
The thief
The swine
He's finished forever
Hurrah!
Come everybody
We will celebrate
Let's not say Death always erases everything
Purifies everything
Just like that
Death does not erase anything
The scars always remain
The imbecile is dead
Let's celebrate
We will not cry like from habit
Let his ilk cry
And swallow their own tears
The great monster is finished
Finished forever
We shall celebrate
And we will not be shy
Do not believe that this one is just another dead man
Let's celebrate
Let's not be timid
Don't forget that this is one dead motherfucker.

and for our spanish readers, the original version:

A la muerte de un canalla
Por Mario Benedetti


Los canallas viven mucho, pero algún día se mueren

Obituario con hurras

Vamos a festejarlo
vengan todos
los inocentes
los damnificados
los que gritan de noche
los que sueñan de dia
los que sufren el cuerpo
los que alojan fantasmas
los que pisan descalzos
los que blasfeman y arden
los pobres congelados
los que quieren a alguien
los que nunca se olvidan
vamos a festejarlo
vengan todos
el crápula se ha muerto
se acabó el alma negra
el ládron
el cochino
se acabó para siempre
hurra
que vengan todos
vamos a festejarlo
a no decir
la muerte
siempre lo borra todo
todo lo purifica
cualquier día
la muerte
no borra nada
quedan
siempre las cicatrices
hurra
murió el cretino
vamos a festejarlo
a no llorar de vicio
que lloren sus iguales
y se traguen sus lágrimas
se acabó el monstruo prócer
se acabó para siempre
vamos a festejarlo
a no ponermos tibios
a no creer que éste
es un muerto cualquiera
vamos a festerjarlo
a no volvermos flojos
a no olvidar que éste
es un muerto de mierda.


RPGPundit
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: Dominus Nox on December 10, 2006, 09:44:37 PM
And let's add in an honorary "FUCK YOU!" to England for not letting the torturing scumbag be extradited to face criminal charges for his reign of torture and murder because he was old and not feeling well.

My god, in america Byron Dela Beckwidth was hunted down and imprisoned while he was a doddering, sick, frail old man for ONE murder, but Pinochet gets off for being old.

Of course, the main reason that pinochet got off was he was a government leader, and other government leaders don't want an example to be set of government leaders being held accountable (With rare exceptions like saddam hussein and whatisname in yoguslavia) because someday they might be held to accounts.
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: RPGPundit on December 11, 2006, 12:56:13 AM
Quote from: Dominus Nox

My god, in america Byron Dla Beckwidth was hunted down and imprisoned while he was a doddering, sick, frail old man for ONE murder, but Pinochet gets off for being old.

You know, your willingness to throw in these little comments that makes you look like such an utter total fucking waste of oxygen, they really are counter-productive.  I mean, I don't know where the fuck you think you are, but the way you say this like you think someone, anyone, else on here is going to agree with you that somehow the murderer of Medgar Evars was treated "unfairly", it really is astounding to me.  

That you say shit like this, and that the Klan have a "bad rap", and that you're proud black people were whipped by your white ancestors in the past, and then bleat and whine when people say you're a racist little shit, that I find laughable.

That you are also so obviously confused and internally inconsistent about your politics to the point of what I can only assume to be psychopathy, that scares the fuck out of me.  Thank god that you are almost certainly a total gimp in real life, otherwise I would fear that you were dangerous to others.
As it is, I suspect you are too incapable to even be dangerous to yourself, which is more the pity.

RPGPundit
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: Dominus Nox on December 11, 2006, 01:02:51 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit
You know, your willingness to throw in these little comments that makes you look like such an utter total fucking waste of oxygen, they really are counter-productive.  I mean, I don't know where the fuck you think you are, but the way you say this like you think someone, anyone, else on here is going to agree with you that somehow the murderer of Medgar Evars was treated "unfairly", it really is astounding to me.  That you are also so obviously confused and internally inconsistent about your politics to the point of what I can only assume to be psychopathy, that scares the fuck out of me.  Thank god that you are almost certainly a total gimp in real life, otherwise I would fear that you were dangerous to others.

RPGPundit


Blah blah blah blah.

As I said in my post, if you could comprehend it, you moron, pinochet gets off for killing god knows how many people (thousands, certainly) by claiming age and infirmity.

An average person who commits ONE murder doesn't get to play the "old and sick" card, he goes to prison and dies there.

Now, if your head had a little more brain, which you might have if not for your thick skull, you might have decuced I was not defending beckwidth or saying he should not have gone to prison for the murde rhe comitted, I'm saying that pinochet should not have been allowed to get off by dint of age and health either.

But naturally you saw my name on a post and it was just FLAME ON. Off went your 'brain" and your fingers just went into flame mode.

I'm fucking sick of you busting on every post I make. If I could put you on my IL I would. As is I'll just skip over any post you make without reading it from now on as you never have anytuing worth hearing to say anyway.
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: RPGPundit on December 11, 2006, 12:33:25 PM
No, the problem is the example you chose. You could have chosen any of MILLIONS of dudes who killed JUST ONE PERSON.

Instead, who do you choose? The Klansman who murdered Civil Rights Leader and Black Activist Medgar Evars.

In a forum where you've been previously accused of being a racist.
In a context that makes it sound like you think that said Klansman should have been let off.

Which brings me to my eternal question: Are you a racist idiot, or just an idiot? Because the example you picked is obviously evidence that you're a severe idiot.  Or just a sociopath with absolutely no sense of what is proper...

RPGPundit
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: SunBoy on December 12, 2006, 01:10:08 AM
EDIT: This post used to contain some heavy shit about Dominus Nox. I think I was really mistaken in writing it. I apologize to anyone who had to read it, because, while I mean most of what I said, it wasn't the right place nor the right tone. I just can't stand certain... points of view.
Now, in a more civil tone, Nox, mate, it really was a bad example, and though I have not read what and if you said something about the KKK, if it was along the lines of what the Pundit suggest, well, you're wrong. And, mate, that signature of yours doesn't help. Again, my apologies for the previous post.
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: SunBoy on December 12, 2006, 01:12:44 AM
Oh, and by the way, I've already raised a toast yesterday already, but I'd like to share another with you, fellows:

To the dead of the creep! Cheers.
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: RPGObjects_chuck on December 12, 2006, 01:33:12 AM
I think Pinochet's case provides the last link in the chain of evidence to prove as natural law that only the good die young.

Chuck
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: SunBoy on December 12, 2006, 01:36:49 AM
I knew I'd get to be a geezer.
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: RPGObjects_chuck on December 12, 2006, 11:54:06 AM
And in other news, Fred Hiatt of the Washington fucking Post *HEARTS* Pinochet!

Quote
It's hard not to notice, however, that the evil dictator leaves behind the most successful country in Latin America. In the past 15 years, Chile's economy has grown at twice the regional average, and its poverty rate has been halved. It's leaving behind the developing world, where all of its neighbors remain mired.


That's right boys and girls, because there was economic growth after he left power Pinochet's a good guy.

Where do you even start with these idiots. Cattle prod?

Chuck
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: Dominus Nox on December 12, 2006, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: RPGObjects_chuck
And in other news, Fred Hiatt of the Washington fucking Post *HEARTS* Pinochet!



That's right boys and girls, because there was economic growth after he left power Pinochet's a good guy.

Where do you even start with these idiots. Cattle prod?

Chuck

 
Well, you have to understand how the conservative "mind" works to understand their views.

In the first place, all that matters to a conservative in 'the economy", and in their view the economy means "How well the rich are doing and how fast they're getting richer". The normal working class people, their well being, their rights, their lives, mean Zip to conservatives, so as long as Chilean businesses are doing well and the top 1% of Chileans are getting richer, they say that everything is fine with Chile.

Secondly, Conservatives always claim that any economic "improvement' is due to conservative, right wing leaders whether or not those neaders have anything to do with it at all. For instance, when america's economy soared under bill clinton, supposedly, the conservatives claimed it was due to reagan and bush's presidencies.

Now that the economies tanked under W and a republican congress, they claim it's due to clinton's policies.

So basically conservativedclaim any "improvement", real or not, is due to conservtive leaders regardless of who is in power during these increases.

I learned to ignore conservative views after learning how they are usually formulated. You might want to do the same.
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: JongWK on December 20, 2006, 06:14:40 PM
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c220/rvilliers/Humor/pin8tr9.jpg)
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: Dominus Nox on December 21, 2006, 06:37:43 AM
Quote from: RPGObjects_chuck
I think Pinochet's case provides the last link in the chain of evidence to prove as natural law that only the good die young.

Chuck


If this board had a rating system, I'd give you a gold star for that one.
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: Dominus Nox on December 21, 2006, 06:39:03 AM
Quote from: JongWK
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c220/rvilliers/Humor/pin8tr9.jpg)



That's pretty insulting to Jabba the Hutt.
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: Anthrobot on January 01, 2007, 10:06:51 AM
Quote from:  Donkey PoxQUOTE
Originally Posted by Dominus Nox
And let's add in an honorary "FUCK YOU!" to England for not letting the torturing scumbag be extradited to face criminal charges for his reign of torture and murder because he was old and not feeling well." [QUOTE/]



WRONG! You are writing shite! The governent did sanction legal measures to extradite the scumbag!


October 8, 1999 Published at 13:01 GMT 14:01 UK


UK

Way cleared for Pinochet extradition

Anti-Pinochet demonstrators welcomed the ruling

Chile's former military leader, General Augusto Pinochet, can be extradited to Spain to stand trial for torture and human rights charges, a UK court has ruled.
 
London's Bow Street Magistrates Court committed Gen Pinochet on the 35 charges he is accused of, which include one of conspiracy to torture and 34 of torture.


 
The BBC's Jane Peel: "The final decision will be made by the Home Secretary"
The former dictator's lawyers now have 15 days to appeal against the ruling.

The general responded to the ruling saying it was politically motivated.


"It has long been clear that my extradition is politically motivated and being pursued clearly for political reasons," said a statement read to the court by his barrister, Clive Nicholls QC.


 
 
"Spain has not produced a single piece of evidence which shows that I am guilty. Not only that, I believe that Spain have not properly investigated any of these crimes and Spain does not even have jurisdiction to try me," said the statement.

The general, who is 83, had been excused from attending Friday's hearing on the grounds of ill health.

The statement continued: "It acts in violation of the sovereignty of Chile.

"The events in Chile have nothing whatsoever to do with Spain.''

Long legal battle


 
The BBC's Joshua Rozenburg: "This isn't the end of the road"
In his ruling, Deputy Chief Stipendiary Magistrate Ronald Bartle told the court he was satisfied that "all the conditions are in place which oblige me under the terms of the Extradition Act 1989 to commit Senator Pinochet to await the decision of the Secretary of State".

The decision is unlikely to have any immediate impact on the year-long legal battle.

The general will remain under house arrest near London while his lawyers consider an appeal to the High Court.


 
Pinochet accused of having blood on his hands
However, he may abandon his case and ask Home Secretary Jack Straw to free him on the grounds of ill health.

It will still be down to Mr Straw, who earlier ruled that the case could go forward in the courts, to make the final decision on Gen Pinochet's fate.

The decision has been welcomed by human rights groups.

Geoffrey Bindman, a lawyer for Amnesty International, said: "The wider effect of the torture convention and the knowledge which should now be spread among all torturers and all is that there is no hiding place.

"If they go to any country that has signed the torture convention they will be prosecuted and extradited as necessary."


 
Lord Lamont: "It would be a tragedy if Pinochet were to die in the UK"
Lord Lamont, who spoke at a rally in defence of Gen Pinochet at this week's Conservative Party conference, warned that the case would continue to go on for a "long time yet".

He said he was not surprised by the court's decision but detaining the general in the UK could seriously damage the country's relationship with Chile and South America.

Lord Lamont said: "I fear for Britain's relationship with Chile will be badly damaged, particularly if General Pinochet dies here."



 
Pinochet may appeal on health grounds
More than 3,000 people died or disappeared under Gen Pinochet's rule. Tens of thousands more fled rather than live under a military regime.

The ruling is the latest crucial stage in a long legal battle sparked by the general's arrest while undergoing medical treatment in London in October last year.

His detention was upheld by Britain's highest court, the House of Lords, in March, although it reduced the charges against him to those dated after December 1988, when Britain incorporated an international torture convention into law.

Senor Garzon then added more post-1988 charges. But Gen Pinochet's lawyers argued that all but two of these are invalid because they did not appear in the original charges against him at the time of his arrest.

The defence team also argued that some of the charges do not meet the international definition for torture, that Spain does not have jurisdiction, and that the general cannot be held personally responsible for the alleged crimes.

But the prosecution said the general could be extradited even on the basis of just one torture charge
Title: Donkey Pox forgets about the Taliban.
Post by: Anthrobot on January 04, 2007, 06:41:39 AM
Quote from: Anthrobot
Quote from: Dominus Nox
And let's add in an honorary "FUCK YOU!" to England for not letting the torturing scumbag be extradited to face criminal charges for his reign of torture and murder because he was old and not feeling well."






No one in England, would FUCK YOU, Donkey Pox.I doubt that you've been FUCKED since you were born, such is your redneckedness!:D  
Not that I'm excusing the despicable actions of Pinochet or the British government of Margaret Thatcher, but how many torturing scumbag dictators, or repressive regimes, have the past governments of the the good old US of A befriended (or supported) in its history? Can you tell the difference between the governing body of a country and all English people? Bigotry seems to be your thing, Dumbass Sux. You should really get an education in your country's history, or are you still living in ignorance in a mud hut and shitting on your lawn?.:p
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: Anthrobot on January 04, 2007, 06:53:33 AM
Quote from: Donkey Pox
Originally Posted by Dominus Nox
And let's add in an honorary "FUCK YOU!" to England for not letting the torturing scumbag be extradited to face criminal charges for his reign of torture and murder because he was old and not feeling well."





 
 

Thursday, October 22, 1998 Published at 06:51 GMT 07:51 UK


UK

Pinochet - Thatcher's ally

Baroness Thatcher's letter: Demand for General Pinochet's release

Baroness Thatcher's controversial call for the release of General Augusto Pinochet underlines a long-term relationship that has always been more than just flowers and chocolates.

 
Damien Grammaticus: "Letter will not influence General Pinochet's situation"
Even before the former Chilean dictator offered his country's tacit support to the UK during the 1982 Falklands War, Margaret Thatcher had long been an admirer of his radical free market economic policies.

General Pinochet was detained in London on 17 October following a request for his arrest and extradition by two Spanish judges investigating some of the 4,000-plus political murders believed to have been committed during his 1973-1990 rule.


 
General Pinochet: Free market pioneer
Baroness Thatcher demanded his immediate release in a letter to the Times newspaper on Thursday.

In her letter, Baroness Thatcher wrote: "By his actions the [Falklands] war was shortened and many British lives were saved."

It is understood that while Chile did not express open support for the UK during the conflict, it did provide material assistance, most notably in allowing the SAS to set up a base on Chilean soil.


 
Baroness Thatcher: General Pinochet made a great impact
But it is General Pinochet's adoption of the ideas expressed by the American economist Milton Friedman that is believed to have had the greatest impact on Baroness Thatcher.

The general seized power in 1973 from the Marxist government of Salvador Allende and immediately overturned its state controls in favour of a programme of sweeping privatisations in accordance with Friedman's free market thinking.

It won Baroness Thatcher's admiration and, to some extent emulation in the reforms she brought in as prime minister.

Despite this, she has always been acutely aware of General Pinochet's extremely poor human rights record - alluding in her letter to abuses "on both sides of the political divide" - and kept her distance while in office.


 
The Thatchers entertained General Pinochet at their home
Following her resignation, however, she allowed more open social contact and even planned to attend a private function with the former dictator during her speaking tour of South America in 1994. She was forced to cancel through illness.

General Pinochet, a confirmed anglophile who once described the UK as "the ideal place to live", reciprocated with equal admiration for Baroness Thatcher.

He reportedly made a habit of sending chocolates and flowers to her during his twice-yearly visits to London and took tea with her whenever possible.

Just two weeks before his arrest, General Pinochet was entertained by the Thatchers at their Chester Square address in London.


 
The Thatchers survey war graves in the Falklands
It was perhaps the final straw that Baroness Thatcher's mentor and ally has been detained at a time when Argentina's President Carlos Menem will be visiting the UK to "build bridges" 16 years after the two countries went to war over the Falkland islands.

"It would be disgraceful to preach reconciliation with one, while maintaining under arrest someone who, during that same conflict, did so much to save British lives," she wrote.

Her expression of loyalty is unlikely to have any impact on the situation, which the government insists will be judged on its legal merits.

Maggie Thatcher the milk snatcher is the one who should get your ire, Donkey Pox!
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: Dominus Nox on January 05, 2007, 06:04:29 AM
Quote from: Anthrobot
Thursday, October 22, 1998 Published at 06:51 GMT 07:51 UK


UK

Pinochet - Thatcher's ally

Baroness Thatcher's letter: Demand for General Pinochet's release

Baroness Thatcher's controversial call for the release of General Augusto Pinochet underlines a long-term relationship that has always been more than just flowers and chocolates.

 
Damien Grammaticus: "Letter will not influence General Pinochet's situation"
Even before the former Chilean dictator offered his country's tacit support to the UK during the 1982 Falklands War, Margaret Thatcher had long been an admirer of his radical free market economic policies.

General Pinochet was detained in London on 17 October following a request for his arrest and extradition by two Spanish judges investigating some of the 4,000-plus political murders believed to have been committed during his 1973-1990 rule.


 
General Pinochet: Free market pioneer
Baroness Thatcher demanded his immediate release in a letter to the Times newspaper on Thursday.

In her letter, Baroness Thatcher wrote: "By his actions the [Falklands] war was shortened and many British lives were saved."

It is understood that while Chile did not express open support for the UK during the conflict, it did provide material assistance, most notably in allowing the SAS to set up a base on Chilean soil.


 
Baroness Thatcher: General Pinochet made a great impact
But it is General Pinochet's adoption of the ideas expressed by the American economist Milton Friedman that is believed to have had the greatest impact on Baroness Thatcher.

The general seized power in 1973 from the Marxist government of Salvador Allende and immediately overturned its state controls in favour of a programme of sweeping privatisations in accordance with Friedman's free market thinking.

It won Baroness Thatcher's admiration and, to some extent emulation in the reforms she brought in as prime minister.

Despite this, she has always been acutely aware of General Pinochet's extremely poor human rights record - alluding in her letter to abuses "on both sides of the political divide" - and kept her distance while in office.


 
The Thatchers entertained General Pinochet at their home
Following her resignation, however, she allowed more open social contact and even planned to attend a private function with the former dictator during her speaking tour of South America in 1994. She was forced to cancel through illness.

General Pinochet, a confirmed anglophile who once described the UK as "the ideal place to live", reciprocated with equal admiration for Baroness Thatcher.

He reportedly made a habit of sending chocolates and flowers to her during his twice-yearly visits to London and took tea with her whenever possible.

Just two weeks before his arrest, General Pinochet was entertained by the Thatchers at their Chester Square address in London.


 
The Thatchers survey war graves in the Falklands
It was perhaps the final straw that Baroness Thatcher's mentor and ally has been detained at a time when Argentina's President Carlos Menem will be visiting the UK to "build bridges" 16 years after the two countries went to war over the Falkland islands.

"It would be disgraceful to preach reconciliation with one, while maintaining under arrest someone who, during that same conflict, did so much to save British lives," she wrote.

Her expression of loyalty is unlikely to have any impact on the situation, which the government insists will be judged on its legal merits.

Maggie Thatcher the milk snatcher is the one who should get your ire, Donkey Pox!


Dominus Nox hated maggie thatcher for being a female ronald reagan, who was a total scrotum.

Then again at least maggie never betrayed her country like reagan did....
Title: Wrong again.
Post by: Anthrobot on January 05, 2007, 08:35:31 AM
Quote from: Dominus Nox


Then again at least maggie never betrayed her country like reagan did....



WRONG again Donkey.She sold out the country's industries while singing merrily about being patriotically British. On this matter I will grant your ignorance some slack, as you aren't British (I assume) and you seem to be a bit of a xenophobe.;)
Title: [News] Augusto Pinochet, dead at 91
Post by: Dominus Nox on January 06, 2007, 06:15:31 PM
Quote from: Anthrobot
WRONG again Donkey.She sold out the country's industries while singing merrily about being patriotically British. On this matter I will grant your ignorance some slack, as you aren't British (I assume) and you seem to be a bit of a xenophobe.;)


Let's dissect this stupid statement of yours for a moment's amusement.


I say that I dislike thatcher LESS than I dislike reagan, so I'm a xenophobe?
I guess that's english logic there for you, then again we must remember that the might british intellect is the same mental superpower that let hitler become almost unstoppable instead of standing  up to him early on when even england could have stopped him cold.

(And yes, I am bashing the britts. I mean, fuck, if you're constantly going to accuse me of being xenophobic I might as well act like it. :D )
Title: The Donkey knee jerks again, yawn!
Post by: Anthrobot on January 06, 2007, 06:44:50 PM
Quote from: Dominus Nox
Let's dissect this stupid statement of yours for a moment's amusement.It will be your amusement because I'm a rednecked ignoramus, but hey! I need the attention!


Being called stupid by a toothless sheep like you is so harmless it tickles.
You are a xenophobe because you refuse to see the Islamic world as the complex and differing cultures that it is, in favour of some frightened vision of suicide bombers in every mosque.
I can't be bothered to reply to your mangling of Neville Chamberlain's motivation as you would not understand the complexity of human politics at that time.Some research on your part wouldn't go amiss. It might even make your posts less of an amusing diversion and more about serious matters worthy of comment.:p