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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2007, 02:45:10 PM »
Nox, your example has many failings.

But the most important one: If having an armed Joewolz in your country increases freedom, then, by all means, he oughta have a Stinger and a Antitank Gun too. You know those RPGs the Iraquis use really help them against Helicopters etc.

And especially Hand Grenades should be legalized, as they are of utmost importance to any insurrectionist and urban warfare.

All in all, Joewolz should be allowed to bear Handgrenades, at the very least.
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« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2007, 02:57:00 PM »
Er, Settembrini, you may be unaware of this, but hand grenades (and some anti-tank weapons) _are_ legal in some states.
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« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2007, 03:01:37 PM »
That actually makes sense.
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« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2007, 03:13:02 PM »
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Here's a link to a military survey that askes US military personal some questions about how willing they'd be to submit to UN domination, and if they would fire on US citizens who were refusing to surrender their guns to government confiscation.
First, the term "UN domination" was not used in the survey.  Second, here's a quote from the introduction on that page:
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The July 11 New American ("Police State Update", p. 10), discusses a telephone interview with the marine, who said that he was not aware of similar surveys being administered at other bases and that his impression was that the survey was research for a [Navy] commander's master's degree.
In other words, a survey administered at a military base to military personnel, but not authored or administered by either the US Department of Defense or any branch of the US military.

I also noted how the survey really kind of lays low until the final question delivers the punch.  More than a little provocative, which isn't a good thing in a survey that's trying to avoid imparting bias.

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« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2007, 03:51:47 PM »
There was a Supreme Court case in the mid 1930s in the US that decided United States citizens should be allowed to be armed "equitably" with the average Infantryman in the United States army.  Unfortunately, the decision and the case have been ignored since the NFA passed right around the same time.
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« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2007, 04:50:05 PM »
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Er, Settembrini, you may be unaware of this, but hand grenades (and some anti-tank weapons) _are_ legal in some states.

Which states?  I know a license can be obtained for "destructive devices" on the federal level, but what states allows them?
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« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2007, 05:23:34 PM »
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Which states?  I know a license can be obtained for "destructive devices" on the federal level, but what states allows them?


I don't keep super-up-to-date on these things (I am a Canadian, and I don't own any guns), but I was told that Colorado would let you own hand grenades if you were properly registered as someone allowed to own explosives, or if you had a military collection. There may be other states that are similar.
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« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2007, 05:34:13 PM »
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There was a Supreme Court case in the mid 1930s in the US that decided United States citizens should be allowed to be armed "equitably" with the average Infantryman in the United States army.

Holy smokes!

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« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2007, 06:01:20 PM »
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Nox, your example has many failings.

But the most important one: If having an armed Joewolz in your country increases freedom, then, by all means, he oughta have a Stinger and a Antitank Gun too. You know those RPGs the Iraquis use really help them against Helicopters etc.

And especially Hand Grenades should be legalized, as they are of utmost importance to any insurrectionist and urban warfare.

All in all, Joewolz should be allowed to bear Handgrenades, at the very least.


Well, if the government is going to use tanks against the people, then maybe the people do need anti tank weapons. if they're going to use helicopters against us then maybe we do need stinger missiles.
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« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2007, 06:25:05 PM »
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Well, if the government is going to use tanks against the people, then maybe the people do need anti tank weapons. if they're going to use helicopters against us then maybe we do need stinger missiles.
Certainly a "people's army" needs such munitions if they are to deliver a credible threat to the state.  However, is this army of the people going to be seen as heroic "freedom fighters" or as guerillas? (or, in today's hot-button-speakm "terrorists")  For that matter, how are they going to behave?  Isn't that the real topic underlying this thread? What will the people do with access to military arms?

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« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2007, 06:52:11 PM »
I imagine that there'd be a number of military units that would "defect" to the populace should the government ever take this path, and they'd bring their grear and weapons with them. NAtional Guard units in particular.
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« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2007, 07:07:57 PM »
There's the small matter that every member of the United States Military swears to defend the Constitution.  Most of my direct relations were in uniform and they beat that into my head.

Any would-be First Consul would have a staggering number of military and ex-military personnel to deal with before he could plant his ass in the Golden Throne of Life.  (Do you have any concept how much damage even a single frogman could do to an attempted coup?)

It would be more realistic to construct a robot army out of coffee cans and sexual malice, then use them to create a military dictatorship.
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« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2007, 07:36:05 PM »
All it takes is for one well trained and dedicated military man to decide to oppose the New Order and whatever silly person thought they could get away with it would be either living in a cave of their own making or a smear on the wall.

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« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2007, 07:54:17 PM »
It's worth pointing out that a totalitarian coup has been attempted in the US before, and it was in fact General Smedley Butler (one of the great heroes of the American Republic) who saved the day. On the other hand, the conspirators were never prosecuted or punished in any way for their actions.

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« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2007, 11:13:01 PM »
This shit again? The first ban was a fucking joke and so will this one. I own a rifle that is legal under the old ban and change 2 parts and presto its pre-ban.

They need to stir up more shit over this so I can sell a few of my rifles off at a profit. :rolleyes:
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