Muslims in London openly want islamic UK

Kyle Aaron · January 29, 2007, 01:47:27 AM

You honestly think he's going to say, "oh, really? Gee, I better check that" and go and do some history reading?

Honestly?

I think that's what we call the triumph of hope over experience, joewolz.

There's a damned good reason we just "quip or say something mean." And that's because reason doesn't work with bigots. It wasn't the force of reason that liberated slaves in the United States, nor was it the force of reason that brought in the civil rights Supreme Court decisions and federal laws.

David R · January 29, 2007, 05:14:12 AM

Quote from: Dominus NoxMost klansmen really don't want to force their ways on anyone so much as they want to be left alone and not have others ways forced on them.

Most acts of klan violence are provoked by outsiders trying to force their ways on the lives of the members.

BTW, muslim extremists kill more people around the world in ONE MONTH than the KKK has killed since it's foundation in 1865, so comparisons between muslim extremists and them are unwarranted.

You do realize that your rants have now taken a turn for the worse , right? By this I mean, you're not amusing anymore (at least not to me) I mean before the perception of you was that of an ignorant overweight kid, with a persecution complex...now, you are just an ignorant hick, cruising for attention

I think it's best that I not respond to anything you say, be it on the rpg section or otherwise. I try to be civil at least when I don't agree with someone, but with you, I don't think I can manage even that. You don't really bother me, it's just the thought of someone like you participating in a hobby I enjoy, bothers me. But this is my problem not yours.

And you so missed the point of my post :brood:

Regards,
David R

droog · January 29, 2007, 05:21:29 AM

Scary thing is, David, there's a whole lot more where he comes from.

David R · January 29, 2007, 05:30:10 AM

Quote from: droogScary thing is, David, there's a whole lot more where he comes from.

Yeah. I just wish I wasn't reminded of this fact on a RPG forum, you dig? Unrealistic I know, but still...

Regards,
David R

PhishStyx · January 29, 2007, 05:30:38 AM

Say Nox, I think you're on the wrong message board.

h ttp://www.stormfront.org/forum/

clearly seems to be the place for you.

G'wan, have fun with your bigoted friends, leave the rest of us alone.

Kyle Aaron · January 29, 2007, 05:36:00 AM

Quote from: droogScary thing is, David, there's a whole lot more where he comes from.

Of course my experience is not universal, but I've found less racists in roleplaying than the general population. Just as many people with sexist or class-based prejudices, but many less racists.

Whereas the Army, for example, there were more racists than the general population - though this varied a lot by unit.

Have others found the people they've gamed with to be more or less bigoted in various ways? I'm assuming that you won't game regularly with very bigoted people, but you'll meet them if they're around.

Maybe I should have a poll... racism, sexism and classism in gamers compared to others you've known.

David R · January 29, 2007, 06:42:11 AM

Quote from: JimBobOzHave others found the people they've gamed with to be more or less bigoted in various ways? I'm assuming that you won't game regularly with very bigoted people, but you'll meet them if they're around.

Maybe I should have a poll... racism, sexism and classism in gamers compared to others you've known.

I took droog's post to mean that there were a hell of a lot of folks like Nox out there not necessarily solely in a gamer context.

As for gaming, no racists, but I've encountered my share of them on message boards, although to be fair, most times not as overt as Nox.

Your poll would reveal only a small minority of folks have encountered racists gamers. As for the other two, I think sexism and classism are more exceptable to most folks, just a hunch.

Regards,
David R

Garry G · January 29, 2007, 07:35:48 AM

After all the scare stories we've heard I think it's fantastic of Nox to make us aware that it's only a minority of Muslims in London that want this and thus it's only logical that the percentage that are actually willing to commit violence to achieve that goal must be even smaller. We should all thank Nox for showing us that the vast majority of Muslims are reasonable people.

Balbinus · January 29, 2007, 07:43:55 AM

Quote from: Garry GAfter all the scare stories we've heard I think it's fantastic of Nox to make us aware that it's only a minority of Muslims in London that want this and thus it's only logical that the percentage that are actually willing to commit violence to achieve that goal must be even smaller. We should all thank Nox for showing us that the vast majority of Muslims are reasonable people.

Quite.

Otherwise, I entirely fail to get excited that a group of religious folk would like their religion to become the dominant one. Most religions work that way, and if you genuinely believe your religion to be correct and a route to a better life you'd have to be one selfish-ass fuck not to want everyone else to share in it.

Geoff Hall · January 29, 2007, 08:39:20 AM

Quote from: BalbinusQuite.

Otherwise, I entirely fail to get excited that a group of religious folk would like their religion to become the dominant one. Most religions work that way, and if you genuinely believe your religion to be correct and a route to a better life you'd have to be one selfish-ass fuck not to want everyone else to share in it.

Indeed and as the (proclaimed by Eddie Izzard) Roman God of Biscuits I wish to state my new manifesto. Hobnobs for all!

(And Fox's Classics for those who really want them.)

Balbinus · January 29, 2007, 09:31:32 AM

Also, it's nice they're open about it. That's quite democratic really, it allows us to know where the guys advocating that stand and to assess it on its merits. People covertly supporting it would be far more of a concern.

In a democracy people have a right to desire political change, and indeed to work to make their vision of the better society a reality. That's true for these guys as much as anyone else.

James McMurray · January 29, 2007, 11:24:38 AM

QuoteMost acts of klan violence are provoked by outsiders trying to force their ways on the lives of the members.

Yeah! Like those evil black people and their wicked house purchasing ways!

Anthrobot · January 29, 2007, 01:19:39 PM

Quote from: JimBobOzAnd that's because reason doesn't work with bigots. It wasn't the force of reason that liberated slaves in the United States, nor was it the force of reason that brought in the civil rights Supreme Court decisions and federal laws.

Strange...when I tried to champion UK legislation against anti gay religious bigots, I was accused of overreacting.

Kyle Aaron · January 29, 2007, 05:47:05 PM

Quote from: AnthrobotStrange...when I tried to champion UK legislation against anti gay religious bigots, I was accused of overreacting.

Exactly. Because the people you were talking to know that legislation is relatively effective at crushing the expression of bigotry; and if the expression is crushed for long enough, the bigotry itself eventually withers away.

If you were just trying to reason with them, then nobody would have cared. They cared that you were proposing effective action.

Now, why would they care that you were proposing effective action to deal with anti-gay bigotry? Well... in this case, no great mystery. As I said above, racism may be relatively rare amongst gamers, but the other prejudices are thriving by comparison.

Zalmoxis · January 30, 2007, 12:40:53 AM

All I want is a perky little Jewish Princess. With overworked gums, who squeaks when she cums.