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MotU Revolution does a 180 - to forgive or not?

Started by Chris24601, February 06, 2024, 03:16:15 PM

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GeekyBugle

Quote from: Wrath of God on April 15, 2024, 03:50:52 AMFirst of all, there may be things for which Netflix owes you apology.
But making bad He-Man sequel with He-Man being supporting character is... not one of those things.
You can dislike it, but it's not in any way sin against you, you are in no position to keep grudge. You may dislike it, and not watch it, and that's fine.

Second, also Netflix is corporation so logic of forgiving sinners which is Evangelically strictly individual do not really apply. You buy things from corporation because you like or need them, you don't if you don't. But also that means influence of corporation is more nebulous, and whole question should I forgive them because they made better He-Man series is reductionist. If you ask whether there is need to boycott Netflix then neither one bad He-Man cartoon is no reason for that, nor is one good reason to not too.

First of all: Learn to write proper English it isn't that hard.

Second, you appear to have lost the forest for the trees, or are purposefully misunderstanding the detour about sinning.

Third, YOU don't get to decide what I find offensive enough to merit an apology from the makers of that show before I even consider forgiving what they did, that's a power ONLY I have.

I cancelled Netflix for their pedo adventures, but (even knowing how and having the means to do so) I wouldn't even pirate their MotU wanna be show.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Wrath of God

QuoteFirst of all: Learn to write proper English it isn't that hard.

I refuse to bestow such honour on this mongrelish half-French abomination that erased glory of Old English :P


QuoteSecond, you appear to have lost the forest for the trees, or are purposefully misunderstanding the detour about sinning.

I think not. Like either you judge Netflix as whole, and I said it's OK - I don't buy their merch either.
Or you judge just this small piece of creation.

QuoteThird, YOU don't get to decide what I find offensive enough to merit an apology from the makers of that show before I even consider forgiving what they did, that's a power ONLY I have.

Well that's exactly what wokesters claim about offence and being offended, and I mock them for it. Why should I make exception for their conservative mirror-personas :P

QuoteI cancelled Netflix for their pedo adventures, but (even knowing how and having the means to do so) I wouldn't even pirate their MotU wanna be show.

I mean that's fine take. Especially part 1.
Part 2 - well that depend whether you generally like MOTU I guess (I never did even as small kid so...)
"Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon."

"And I will strike down upon thee
With great vengeance and furious anger"


"Molti Nemici, Molto Onore"

Omega

Quote from: Wrath of God on April 16, 2024, 04:15:12 PMAnd in social media era, generally any remotely controversial, trangressive, risky or bad decision can be accussed of it, as outrage is all there is.

As long as they can get free advertising from people like Pundit and other reviewers they will keep doing it.

Eirikrautha

Quote from: Omega on April 18, 2024, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: Wrath of God on April 16, 2024, 04:15:12 PMAnd in social media era, generally any remotely controversial, trangressive, risky or bad decision can be accussed of it, as outrage is all there is.

As long as they can get free advertising from people like Pundit and other reviewers they will keep doing it.

And if no one does call it out, the companies will put more in and claim to everyone that it's always been there and you didn't complain about it before...

You seem to be under the delusion that if ignored, the woke will just go away.  We've gotten here because the woke were ignored for way too long.  The woke are like ticks: try to pull them out and they'll dig deeper, ignore them and they'll just keep sucking your blood and giving you diseases.  Pick one.
"Testosterone levels vary widely among women, just like other secondary sex characteristics like breast size or body hair. If you eliminate anyone with elevated testosterone, it's like eliminating athletes because their boobs aren't big enough or because they're too hairy." -- jhkim

Omega

Quote from: Eirikrautha on April 18, 2024, 04:01:26 PMAnd if no one does call it out, the companies will put more in and claim to everyone that it's always been there and you didn't complain about it before...

No. They move on to new trendy marketing ploys. This is about money. They only pull these outrage marketing gags because marketing tells them its golden. Just like all the other trendy gags you see everywhere.

Eirikrautha

Quote from: Omega on April 20, 2024, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on April 18, 2024, 04:01:26 PMAnd if no one does call it out, the companies will put more in and claim to everyone that it's always been there and you didn't complain about it before...

No. They move on to new trendy marketing ploys. This is about money. They only pull these outrage marketing gags because marketing tells them its golden. Just like all the other trendy gags you see everywhere.

Unfortunately, history doesn't support your contention.  I'm waiting for examples of companies that have jettisoned DEI due to being ignored.  The only ones I've seen back off did so because of pushback...
"Testosterone levels vary widely among women, just like other secondary sex characteristics like breast size or body hair. If you eliminate anyone with elevated testosterone, it's like eliminating athletes because their boobs aren't big enough or because they're too hairy." -- jhkim

yosemitemike

I watched one episode.  It was bad.  I'm done.  There's other stuff that I actually want to watch.
"I am certain, however, that nothing has done so much to destroy the juridical safeguards of individual freedom as the striving after this mirage of social justice."― Friedrich Hayek
Another former RPGnet member permanently banned for calling out the staff there on their abdication of their responsibilities as moderators and admins and their abject surrender to the whims of the shrillest and most self-righteous members of the community.

Wrath of God

QuoteAs long as they can get free advertising from people like Pundit and other reviewers they will keep doing it.

I mean some level of outrage marketing is probably true, but I doubt if in modern very divisive internet it's real advertisement. Outrage reviewers on right side caters and get money from right wingers following them in spiral of outrage - it's like almost independent clockwork wheel - thats slightly pushed by wokes but generally at this point very much is moving on its own.
"Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon."

"And I will strike down upon thee
With great vengeance and furious anger"


"Molti Nemici, Molto Onore"

Omega

#38
Quote from: Wrath of God on April 23, 2024, 07:55:05 AMI mean some level of outrage marketing is probably true, but I doubt if in modern very divisive internet it's real advertisement. Outrage reviewers on right side caters and get money from right wingers following them in spiral of outrage - it's like almost independent clockwork wheel - thats slightly pushed by wokes but generally at this point very much is moving on its own.

Have you seen how marketing will latch onto a marketing gag and run it in to the dirt and hen start tunneling?

They will keep pushing some trend relentlessly even when its obvious to anyone with three brain cells that it is not working as intended anymore.

Look at stuff from the 70s where marketing was pushing pets for every show, cartoon and live action. Or robots in the 80s. and so on. Like that spate of trying to attract the ADHD crowd by fast cutting everything in a movie till you could barely follow some.

BoxCrayonTales

The show creators can fuck off. It's obviously not genuine and it doesn't undo what they did.

Fuck revelation. They should've continued the cgi cartoon instead. Fuck netflix.

I gave up on Castlevania, Picard, Invincible and a bunch of other shows because of the shitty writing and woke preaching. They can fuck right off to hell.

I'm glad they're going bankrupt. Hollywood and their shit streaming services can go to hell.

yosemitemike

The outrage marketing thing is obviously not working any more if it ever worked.  These things are tanking.  Peter Pan & Wendy leaned heavily into the outrage marketing.  Peter Pan & Wendy fucking bombed.  It's the same strategy they used with The Little Mermaid remake and it fucking bombed too.  This strategy has been failing spectacularly since Ghostbusters (2016).  You might be able to get people talking about it on Youtube but that doesn't translate to people actually paying to see it. 
"I am certain, however, that nothing has done so much to destroy the juridical safeguards of individual freedom as the striving after this mirage of social justice."― Friedrich Hayek
Another former RPGnet member permanently banned for calling out the staff there on their abdication of their responsibilities as moderators and admins and their abject surrender to the whims of the shrillest and most self-righteous members of the community.

GeekyBugle

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 28, 2024, 08:26:21 AMThe show creators can fuck off. It's obviously not genuine and it doesn't undo what they did.

Fuck revelation. They should've continued the cgi cartoon instead. Fuck netflix.

I gave up on Castlevania, Picard, Invincible and a bunch of other shows because of the shitty writing and woke preaching. They can fuck right off to hell.

I'm glad they're going bankrupt. Hollywood and their shit streaming services can go to hell.

Absolutely, the CGI "cartoon" had TWO strong female characters, but they weren't Girl-Bosses, genuine characters with flaws to overcome.

It departed A LOT from established lore, and yet I think most fans would have loved it if they gave it a chance.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

BoxCrayonTales


Omega

Quote from: yosemitemike on April 28, 2024, 09:26:50 AMThe outrage marketing thing is obviously not working any more if it ever worked. 

Apparently for one company it did. And if it worked for one then sure enough marketing everywhere will push it. And they did.

WotC has been playing this since not long after 5e came out. Seed some preview of a new product with some trigger words and Pundit and others will advertise the game by complaining because sure enough people will buy the book just to see if it is as bad as these people are saying. And near every time its not.

Candlekeep is a big one. They dropped a few buzzwords and boom Pundit is all over it. But theres nothing in the book. They KNOW.

They are not going to stop until something blows up monumentally. And thats unlikely to happen as WotC plays it very cagey.

Marvel and Disney on the other hand are totally inept and blatant about it all. Has there been a single Marvel product in the last decade that has not somehow some way been blatantly woke?

yosemitemike

Quote from: Omega on April 29, 2024, 12:45:18 AMCandlekeep is a big one. They dropped a few buzzwords and boom Pundit is all over it. But theres nothing in the book. They KNOW.

Did it work for them though?  Outrage on Youtube doesn't necessarily translate into sales.  Did this book sell?  WotC is hiding the numbers as much as they can but their current financial problems suggest that this book and other recent boo0ks that leaned into the outrage marketing haven't sold well.  RPGPundit has around 7,740 followers on Youtube.  I would argue that a lot of them are probably OSR types who were not going to buy Candlekeep anyway.  Does content on his channel affect sales significantly in either direction?  Does it matter at all?  Most people in the wider 5e players base have probably never heard of Kasimir Urbanski. 
"I am certain, however, that nothing has done so much to destroy the juridical safeguards of individual freedom as the striving after this mirage of social justice."― Friedrich Hayek
Another former RPGnet member permanently banned for calling out the staff there on their abdication of their responsibilities as moderators and admins and their abject surrender to the whims of the shrillest and most self-righteous members of the community.