Quote from: Grognard GM on February 23, 2024, 02:17:37 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 18, 2024, 06:15:19 AM
That's the biggest vulnerability of the Woke; there is no sacrament of atonement... there is just endless guilt for which you must be punished forever... and every one of them will eventually fall short and be cast out.

If there's no hope of forgiveness from the normal people either, then they'll just double down to keep trying to ride the Woke train all the way to Hell.

If you don't even praise the attempts to turn around because they sinned in the past then we're just as much on the purity spiral as they are... anything touched by the woke is forever damned and impure.

But you've accidently fallen into another Woke sin, taking the opposite stance of whatever your enemy does. They do not believe in forgiveness, so we must be forgiving.

Fuck that. As others have said, if someone comes to me contrite, and I feel fairly certain they are genuine, I'll forgive, but not forget. Constant benefit of the doubt for these people has just been more ammo for them. They really, truly, are the scorpion that stings the frog, over and over again.

  Agreed.  These people OPENLY STATE they hate us.  Why on earth would I give anyone anything who told me they hate me?  I dont owe them money, attention and certainly not forgiveness.  If they push it I will eventually give them what I DO owe them.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 23, 2024, 02:17:37 PM
But you've accidently fallen into another Woke sin, taking the opposite stance of whatever your enemy does. They do not believe in forgiveness, so we must be forgiving.

I'm not taking the stance for the sake of being on the opposite side of the Woke. I'm taking the stance to be on the side of my Savior who asks me to love my enemies and not hold grudges.

It was the Woke who declared God to be their enemy and chose to be His opposite in all things (lack of forgiveness being just one of them). Me continuing to hold to my God's commandments is not me changing positions to be the opposite of the Woke... it's me holding to the same position I've always held.

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 24, 2024, 07:35:58 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 23, 2024, 02:17:37 PM
But you've accidently fallen into another Woke sin, taking the opposite stance of whatever your enemy does. They do not believe in forgiveness, so we must be forgiving.

I'm not taking the stance for the sake of being on the opposite side of the Woke. I'm taking the stance to be on the side of my Savior who asks me to love my enemies and not hold grudges.

It was the Woke who declared God to be their enemy and chose to be His opposite in all things (lack of forgiveness being just one of them). Me continuing to hold to my God's commandments is not me changing positions to be the opposite of the Woke... it's me holding to the same position I've always held.

Another miss translation:

It should read "Love thy neighbor".

Have they asked for forgivness? No.
Have they recognized their errors? No.
Do they trully mean to ammend their ways? We'll see, but I doubt it.

Should I lie down while they trample over me and my loved ones? I doubt that's what the commandment asks of us.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 24, 2024, 08:36:12 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 24, 2024, 07:35:58 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 23, 2024, 02:17:37 PM
But you've accidently fallen into another Woke sin, taking the opposite stance of whatever your enemy does. They do not believe in forgiveness, so we must be forgiving.

I'm not taking the stance for the sake of being on the opposite side of the Woke. I'm taking the stance to be on the side of my Savior who asks me to love my enemies and not hold grudges.

It was the Woke who declared God to be their enemy and chose to be His opposite in all things (lack of forgiveness being just one of them). Me continuing to hold to my God's commandments is not me changing positions to be the opposite of the Woke... it's me holding to the same position I've always held.

Another miss translation:

It should read "Love thy neighbor".

Have they asked for forgivness? No.
Have they recognized their errors? No.
Do they trully mean to ammend their ways? We'll see, but I doubt it.

Should I lie down while they trample over me and my loved ones? I doubt that's what the commandment asks of us.

Not a mistranslation, but a different verse;

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect.
- Matthew 5:43-48

There's a reason He also says "the way is narrow." It's NOT an easy path to wish good for your enemies; to pray for them to abandon wickedness instead of for them to suffer is hard. But it's what He asks for from His followers.

I'm also a "deeds mean more than words" guy in general. Anyone can SAY they're sorry. It's just words. I have no way of knowing what's really in their hearts as they say it. Someone actually changing course though? I still don't know their hearts, but I can at least approve of the actions they took.

Getting both is nice, but the deeds are more important to me than words.

Unfortunately, it's still on Netflix, home of things like Cuties and Castlevania, still grounded in Revelation, and still the work of Pop Cultist and impenitent blasphemer Kevin Smith.

I don't desire them punished for their work, but I am under no obligation to give it time, money, or attention.

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 25, 2024, 08:06:15 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 24, 2024, 08:36:12 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 24, 2024, 07:35:58 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 23, 2024, 02:17:37 PM
But you've accidently fallen into another Woke sin, taking the opposite stance of whatever your enemy does. They do not believe in forgiveness, so we must be forgiving.

I'm not taking the stance for the sake of being on the opposite side of the Woke. I'm taking the stance to be on the side of my Savior who asks me to love my enemies and not hold grudges.

It was the Woke who declared God to be their enemy and chose to be His opposite in all things (lack of forgiveness being just one of them). Me continuing to hold to my God's commandments is not me changing positions to be the opposite of the Woke... it's me holding to the same position I've always held.

Another miss translation:

It should read "Love thy neighbor".

Have they asked for forgivness? No.
Have they recognized their errors? No.
Do they trully mean to ammend their ways? We'll see, but I doubt it.

Should I lie down while they trample over me and my loved ones? I doubt that's what the commandment asks of us.

Not a mistranslation, but a different verse;

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect.
- Matthew 5:43-48

There's a reason He also says "the way is narrow." It's NOT an easy path to wish good for your enemies; to pray for them to abandon wickedness instead of for them to suffer is hard. But it's what He asks for from His followers.

I'm also a "deeds mean more than words" guy in general. Anyone can SAY they're sorry. It's just words. I have no way of knowing what's really in their hearts as they say it. Someone actually changing course though? I still don't know their hearts, but I can at least approve of the actions they took.

Getting both is nice, but the deeds are more important to me than words.

I stand corrected, now, loving thy enemy means you should postrate yourself and let them murder you?

Yes, actions are more important, except when dealing with megacorporations (which aren't people), because they will course correct to protect their bottom line.

How can we know it's not just about the money? A good hint would be if they said the words, paired with the action.

As long as they don't do so I remain convinced they hate me, I DO NOT hate them, but I'm under no obligation of giving them my money, time or attention.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 25, 2024, 12:45:19 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 25, 2024, 08:06:15 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 24, 2024, 08:36:12 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 24, 2024, 07:35:58 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 23, 2024, 02:17:37 PM
But you've accidently fallen into another Woke sin, taking the opposite stance of whatever your enemy does. They do not believe in forgiveness, so we must be forgiving.

I'm not taking the stance for the sake of being on the opposite side of the Woke. I'm taking the stance to be on the side of my Savior who asks me to love my enemies and not hold grudges.

It was the Woke who declared God to be their enemy and chose to be His opposite in all things (lack of forgiveness being just one of them). Me continuing to hold to my God's commandments is not me changing positions to be the opposite of the Woke... it's me holding to the same position I've always held.

Another miss translation:

It should read "Love thy neighbor".

Have they asked for forgivness? No.
Have they recognized their errors? No.
Do they trully mean to ammend their ways? We'll see, but I doubt it.

Should I lie down while they trample over me and my loved ones? I doubt that's what the commandment asks of us.

Not a mistranslation, but a different verse;

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect.
- Matthew 5:43-48

There's a reason He also says "the way is narrow." It's NOT an easy path to wish good for your enemies; to pray for them to abandon wickedness instead of for them to suffer is hard. But it's what He asks for from His followers.

I'm also a "deeds mean more than words" guy in general. Anyone can SAY they're sorry. It's just words. I have no way of knowing what's really in their hearts as they say it. Someone actually changing course though? I still don't know their hearts, but I can at least approve of the actions they took.

Getting both is nice, but the deeds are more important to me than words.

I stand corrected, now, loving thy enemy means you should postrate yourself and let them murder you?

Yes, actions are more important, except when dealing with megacorporations (which aren't people), because they will course correct to protect their bottom line.

How can we know it's not just about the money? A good hint would be if they said the words, paired with the action.

As long as they don't do so I remain convinced they hate me, I DO NOT hate them, but I'm under no obligation of giving them my money, time or attention.

That's fair enough. I was proposing a question rather than demanding a specific answer.

That said... in regard to the question of "should you let them murder you?"; consider the time of year we're in (Lent for those coming upon this much later). I'm a follower of someone who said "yes" to that and allowed himself to be tortured and murdered by his enemies. Many of his immediate followers suffered the same fate.

True, there was a greater purpose in play, but I think that actually reinforces the point. Some things are more important than this mortal life and if something like that does arise, don't be too sure your answer would always be no.

None of which is particularly relevant to whether or not you want to spend time watching a TV show, but then they also aren't yet able to actually murder us through our screens yet either.

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 25, 2024, 07:01:29 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 25, 2024, 12:45:19 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 25, 2024, 08:06:15 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 24, 2024, 08:36:12 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 24, 2024, 07:35:58 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 23, 2024, 02:17:37 PM
But you've accidently fallen into another Woke sin, taking the opposite stance of whatever your enemy does. They do not believe in forgiveness, so we must be forgiving.

I'm not taking the stance for the sake of being on the opposite side of the Woke. I'm taking the stance to be on the side of my Savior who asks me to love my enemies and not hold grudges.

It was the Woke who declared God to be their enemy and chose to be His opposite in all things (lack of forgiveness being just one of them). Me continuing to hold to my God's commandments is not me changing positions to be the opposite of the Woke... it's me holding to the same position I've always held.

Another miss translation:

It should read "Love thy neighbor".

Have they asked for forgivness? No.
Have they recognized their errors? No.
Do they trully mean to ammend their ways? We'll see, but I doubt it.

Should I lie down while they trample over me and my loved ones? I doubt that's what the commandment asks of us.

Not a mistranslation, but a different verse;

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect.
- Matthew 5:43-48

There's a reason He also says "the way is narrow." It's NOT an easy path to wish good for your enemies; to pray for them to abandon wickedness instead of for them to suffer is hard. But it's what He asks for from His followers.

I'm also a "deeds mean more than words" guy in general. Anyone can SAY they're sorry. It's just words. I have no way of knowing what's really in their hearts as they say it. Someone actually changing course though? I still don't know their hearts, but I can at least approve of the actions they took.

Getting both is nice, but the deeds are more important to me than words.

I stand corrected, now, loving thy enemy means you should postrate yourself and let them murder you?

Yes, actions are more important, except when dealing with megacorporations (which aren't people), because they will course correct to protect their bottom line.

How can we know it's not just about the money? A good hint would be if they said the words, paired with the action.

As long as they don't do so I remain convinced they hate me, I DO NOT hate them, but I'm under no obligation of giving them my money, time or attention.

That's fair enough. I was proposing a question rather than demanding a specific answer.

That said... in regard to the question of "should you let them murder you?"; consider the time of year we're in (Lent for those coming upon this much later). I'm a follower of someone who said "yes" to that and allowed himself to be tortured and murdered by his enemies. Many of his immediate followers suffered the same fate.

True, there was a greater purpose in play, but I think that actually reinforces the point. Some things are more important than this mortal life and if something like that does arise, don't be too sure your answer would always be no.

None of which is particularly relevant to whether or not you want to spend time watching a TV show, but then they also aren't yet able to actually murder us through our screens yet either.

I'm not sure I would make a good martyr, but who knows, IF God wants you to do it...

But I'm not sure God's will is for us to allow the Satan worshippers to murder us or to give them money so they can keep on corrupting children.

The murder question (as I'm sure you understood it) was not about Netflix in particular, but more general.

Replace murder with corrupting children, are we allowed to fight them then?

IF we let them win (by allowing ourselves to be killed or by standing aside while they keep pushing satanism) are we not as guilty as them?

As a Christian what has more weight? To oppose evil or to love thy enemy? Can you love them as a Christian and still fight them?

Again, I hold no hate in my heart, but you can bet your bottom dollar I'm willing to commit a lot of violence if need be, given the right circumnstances..

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 25, 2024, 11:42:59 AM
Unfortunately, it's still on Netflix, home of things like Cuties and Castlevania,

Castlevania, what little I have seen of it, was not bad. Just not my thing really. Not sure if its the dub or what. But it just feels a little off in delivery sometimes.

Quote from: Omega on February 29, 2024, 04:31:27 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 25, 2024, 11:42:59 AM
Unfortunately, it's still on Netflix, home of things like Cuties and Castlevania,

Castlevania, what little I have seen of it, was not bad. Just not my thing really. Not sure if its the dub or what. But it just feels a little off in delivery sometimes.

What's funny about that is it's an English-language original. So the off-delivery is entirely the fault of the script and original actors.

To be further fair, Castlevania: Nocturne (the sequel series) is far more woke and deserves to be staked, beheaded and both head and body burned on separate pyres, but the the original was pretty good; particularly s1-2 (which is basically a long movie in terms of length... about 4 hours runtime total). Season 3 is probably weakest on its own (two disconnected plots, which are resolved, but with downer endings, that in retrospect were so as setups to bring it all back together in s4), but improves if you go right into Season 4 without pause.

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 29, 2024, 07:31:32 AM

To be further fair, Castlevania: Nocturne (the sequel series) is far more woke and deserves to be staked, beheaded and both head and body burned on separate pyres,

  Give it that I only made it 5 minutes into the second episode of the original before being turned off by the cartoonish anti-Catholicism and vulgarity, Nocturne must be horrid.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 29, 2024, 01:47:51 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 29, 2024, 07:31:32 AM

To be further fair, Castlevania: Nocturne (the sequel series) is far more woke and deserves to be staked, beheaded and both head and body burned on separate pyres,

  Give it that I only made it 5 minutes into the second episode of the original before being turned off by the cartoonish anti-Catholicism and vulgarity, Nocturne must be horrid.

The vulgarity got to me too. This isnt the 90s and you dont have to put swear words in every other sentence.

First of all, there may be things for which Netflix owes you apology.
But making bad He-Man sequel with He-Man being supporting character is... not one of those things.
You can dislike it, but it's not in any way sin against you, you are in no position to keep grudge. You may dislike it, and not watch it, and that's fine.

Second, also Netflix is corporation so logic of forgiving sinners which is Evangelically strictly individual do not really apply. You buy things from corporation because you like or need them, you don't if you don't. But also that means influence of corporation is more nebulous, and whole question should I forgive them because they made better He-Man series is reductionist. If you ask whether there is need to boycott Netflix then neither one bad He-Man cartoon is no reason for that, nor is one good reason to not too.

Quote from: Wrath of God on April 15, 2024, 03:50:52 AMFirst of all, there may be things for which Netflix owes you apology.
But making bad He-Man sequel with He-Man being supporting character is... not one of those things.
You can dislike it, but it's not in any way sin against you, you are in no position to keep grudge. You may dislike it, and not watch it, and that's fine.

Fucking with characters for outrage marketing is never fine. And since these publishers keep doing this. YES. There is ample reason to hold multiple grudges on these idiots because they never learn and they can and will keep fucking with things.

QuoteFucking with characters for outrage marketing is never fine.

And in social media era, generally any remotely controversial, trangressive, risky or bad decision can be accussed of it, as outrage is all there is.