Quote from: StormBringer;237330no u

Not exactly.

Quote from: CavScout;237329Then how'd you get membership?

I think that pretty much proves the point.

I know you are but what am I!

Quote from: jswa;237433I think that pretty much proves the point.

I know you are but what am I!

Rubber, glue and all that. :rotfl:

I see a lot of words about "Arming Teachers" in this thread, but in the article that started it all the thrust was on allowing teachers the right to carry, a huge difference. Yes, the outcome is still 'guns in the school'... which so far none of the 'against' crowd has bothered to actually address why that's a bad idea in an of itself.  They've addressed why they think it isn't necessary, but that hardly gets deep into opposition territory.

I mean, yeah, there was one comment early on about students getting ahold of it or some bullshit, but every concealed carry person I know doesn't go around setting their weapon down, putting it in desk drawers or what have you.  Anecdotes and all that, I suppose, but its weak sauce as arguments against to begin with.

Now, Kyle comes in with a long and reasonably well written post but:

QuoteBoth confuse intent with effects, and don't look at the overall picture the way we do with things like vehicles, cigarettes, alcohol and so on. Looking at the overall picture, it is very obviously a stupid idea to ban firearms, if we are not also going to ban cigarettes, alcohol, vehicles and so on. Likewise, it is a very stupid idea to let teachers carry firearms, and students, and allow mentally ill people to have access to them, too.

He slips this line in there with no actual reason why, no explanation, no real debate... as if its an assumed fact.

Please enlighten me. Why, exactly, is it such a bad thing that teachers, who we assume are all citizens free of the various criminal and psychological problems we request of legal gun owners, somehow less qualified or capable to carry a firearm on there person that they need special laws disbarring them, or does their IQ and sense of responsibility abandon them the moment they enter a school?  



On a completely sidebar note: a good friend of mine is credited with stopping a local mall rampage a few years back. He carried concealed to his job, in the mall, for decades without incident.  It was not his gun that ended the rampage, he put it away thinking the police would be arriving soon and stepped out of a store five feet from the shooter. It was his words to the shooter, after he'd been shot five times and was bleeding out all over the floor.  He can not walk without assistance to this day and is in great pain every day.  To my knowledge he has not stopped carrying for all that, though when I spoke to him in the hospital he admitted he no longer enjoyed shooty video games or violent movies... the sight of a gun pointed at him, even through a screen, was too much.