Exec.Summary: Click link, see the realities of the story gamers crowd, a bunch of WNG (whiney non gamers).

Sett-Speak:
Now, I think he´s a spoiled North American (east coast, no?) brat if there ever was one.

I think his  writing sucks and I think he has serious misunderstandings about roleplaying in general.

I don´t know fuck about Burning Wheel, but I know Burning Empires, and it´s totally character centered simplistic bullshit (and written so bad, so revealing about the author, cringing is not enough). See, but BE is still a game, even an RPG. It´s the kind of RPG I hate, right next to character centered superheroes (which includes Vampire) and it´s likes.

But at least he is actually doing and playing stuff. Like, weekly games and such. Hats off, and kudos for his contributions to this thread:

http://www.story-games.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=7166&page=1#Item_0

I don't read SG too often, so I appreciate people pointing out worthwhile threads there (or on any forum, really).

Although you never gives enough detail on threads you link... in case anyone else was wondering this one is called 'What 3 RPGs frighten/intimidate you?'

So... I just started reading it and post #3 was like a 2x4 to the back of the head.

Quote from: Jason MorningstarGang Rape, for certain. Total appreciation as a statement and exercise in form, but not for me. I routinely take sexual violence off the table in regular games.

WTF?

Quote from: Stuart;230708Although you never gives enough detail on threads you link... in case anyone else was wondering this one is called 'What 3 RPGs frighten/intimidate you?'

Exec.Summary: Click link, see the realities of the story gamers crowd, a bunch of WNG (whiney non gamers).

Quote from: Settembrini;230710Exec.Summary: Click link, see the realities of the story gamers crowd, a bunch of WNG (whiney non gamers).

You could have used that Exec. Summary for countless threads...

Quote from: Stuart;230708So... I just started reading it and post #3 was like a 2x4 to the back of the head.

Why is that?

Quote from: Engine;230726Why is that?

Worst. Title. EV4R.

Settembri: I have questions for you...

What's the misunderstating about RPGs in general in Crane's games...? (I think, that it's quite traditional RPG, writing sometimes suck, but nothing worse than what I have seen in other RPGs)

Why do you think, that all the posters at story games are WNG...? (they seem to actually play some games, so they can't be WNG)

Why do you think, that character centered RPGs are crap...? (I somehow can't see, what should be their focus, if not characters. Majority of people around game table, play character, so it seem logical to me, that they should be the focus of game.)

What makes you think, that TPK agains the will of party is necessary for game to count as RPG...?

Quote from: Stuart;230712You could have used that Exec. Summary for countless threads...

You are learning quick, young padawan!

So Sweden produced a Gang Rape rpg.

Those wacky, wacky Scandanavians.

I guess therpgsite is not that sexist, really. At least we don't publish games like Poison'd and Gang Rape.

For fuck's sakes, what is wrong with these guys? Is it too much time in their parents' basements, or too many years doing a liberal arts degree? "We're just examining the issues, honest."

Maybe it's just a really bad (bad) choice for the title of a game.   Sort of like "Panty Explosion" which is also a really terrible (and kinda creepy) name for a game.  I think this one might be the worst one I've ever heard though... without any exaggeration.

If it's actually a game about Gang Rape?

That'd be FATAL level ridiculousness.

Kyle Aaron: When I've first heard about Gang Rape I trought it was some sort of LARP or freeform/jeepform... my reaction was... squick!

I might have some appeal, but not to me.

Quote from: StuartSort of like "Panty Explosion" which is also a really terrible (and kinda creepy) name for a game.

I own copy of it. I love the system, but hate the name, and some of it's weaboocentrism (otaku crap).

Quote from: Fritzs;230741I own copy of it. I love the system, but hate the name, and some of it's weaboocentrism (otaku crap).

Is that the same deal with the Gang Rape game?  Is the idea to give your game as awful a name as possible, as some sort of joke?  Which I can see being funny in a way, but also sort of self-defeating and stupid.

So you spend your time making this cool indie game an then you call it Shit Salad or something?

(Is there a link to that game someplace -- I'm not about to try Googling for it. :-/ )

I've often found it bemusing the level of objection that's frequently raised to games which contain material the objector believes is "offensive." Often, though, the objector - remember, I come from Shadowrun - plays a game in which serial murder is treated as "part of the job," in which theft and arson and smuggling are the jobs! This is okay; rape is off-limits.

Some D&D players make the entirety of the opposition into black-and-white-style "evil" beings, who you can thus fucking kill the shit out of without worrying about that pesky real-world greyscale morality. One presumes they would shrink at the idea of gang raping a bunch of kobold women in-game, because killing people with axes and setting them on fire is okay [if they're evil!] but raping them is not. I guess.

Personally, I don't get too offended by controversial material in fictional settings, but I don't get that offended by controversial material in nonfictional settings, either, so I could just be offense-deprived. Still, the vehemence with which people object to games like Gang Rape, combined with a near-complete lack of objection to murdering dozens of people, often makes me shake my head in confusion.

Engine, I don't think you're being serious, so I'm not going to explain it.