By Al franken.

I just read this jewel and loved 99.99% of it. If you're interested in the truth and how the right in america has twisted, tortured and turned it inside out and upside down, you ought to read this.

It's got some real facts to back up what it says, not just hyperbole and personal beliefs stated as fact like conservative books do.

Al Franken is a real genius and does a great job exposing the lies of sean hannity, rush limbaugh, ann coulter, george w. bush, dick cheney and more liars on the right.

I loved this book, you might too.

Henry Rollins: A Love Letter To Ann Coulter

Quote from: Dominus NoxBy Al franken.

I just read this jewel and loved 99.99% of it. If you're interested in the truth and how the right in america has twisted, tortured and turned it inside out and upside down, you ought to read this.

It's got some real facts to back up what it says, not just hyperbole and personal beliefs stated as fact like conservative books do.

Al Franken is a real genius and does a great job exposing the lies of sean hannity, rush limbaugh, ann coulter, george w. bush, dick cheney and more liars on the right.

I loved this book, you might too.

Yeah, Al Franken is a genius and is all about the Truth.  Next you'll be telling me Michael Moore makes documentaries.

Nox, you are one confused, fucked up little monkey.

Haven't gotten that one, but I did listen to The Truth, With Jokes as part of my daily commute. It was pretty funny.

I tried to be fair and also listen to one of Ann Coulter's books but had to stop just a little in. It seems Mr. Franken was a bit more fond of quoting facts than Ms. Coulter, whose style also didn't do it for me.

Stylistically, I like people who include nuggets of fact in their rants.  That way, I'm learning actual facts while being entertained by the rant, even if the rant itself departs the facts and wanders off into fantasy-land (as they so often do, no matter how carefully "substantiated").

I haven't gotten around to reading the Franken book, but certainly the idea of actually trying to get to the facts behind the rhetoric of ... well ... both sides is an appealing one to me.

Quote from: Dominus NoxIt's got some real facts to back up what it says, not just hyperbole and personal beliefs stated as fact like conservative books do.

Mind you, I enjoyed the book and all when I read it a couple of years back, but...

...I have to wonder how you manage to reconcile the statement I quoted above with your .sig file.

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Quote from: Ian AbsentiaMind you, I enjoyed the book and all when I read it a couple of years back, but...

...I have to wonder how you manage to reconcile the statement I quoted above with your .sig file.

!i!

Well, my sigfile is the truth, and thus needs no reconcilliation with anything.

BTW, if you disagree, please list all the islamic dominated countries where people have what we in the west could call "freedom", as in free speech, freedom of/from religion, women's rights, etc.

No, no.  I wasn't interested in seeing you reconcile your .sig file with anything.  You believe it to be True, and, well, that's your business.  I was interested in seeing you reconcile the statement I quoted with your .sig file.  You see, your .sig is exactly the sort of thing that Franken viciously lampoons...

Oh, never mind.  You don't get it do you?

!i!

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaNo, no.  I wasn't interested in seeing you reconcile your .sig file with anything.  You believe it to be True, and, well, that's your business.  I was interested in seeing you reconcile the statement I quoted with your .sig file.  You see, your .sig is exactly the sort of thing that Franken viciously lampoons...

Oh, never mind.  You don't get it do you?

!i!

Not now, not ever.  

Too many wires crossed to ever reconcile the circuit now.

Actually Franken's stance on muslims is the one thing I disagree with him about, and in fact I emailed him an explanation in answer to his question about muslims.

Franken, rightly, points out that when you ask moct conservatives a question about why they say muslims hate us, they just respons by calling you unpatriotic and such.

Well, I did respond to Franken's question without challenging his patriotism.

To repeat what I emailed Franken, the simple fact is that muslims do hate the west, and for simple, easy to understand reasons that have historical precenant going back as far as history goes.

Basically, muslims want a world where they, and they alone, have power. This is because under islamic law, muslim males are the highest form of life on earth and divinely ordained to be masters of the world. This is what islam teaches. Under sharia, which is muslim religious law, a muslim man is the highest form of life. A muslim woman's life is worth HALF of a muslim male's life. The lives of jews, christians and other infidels are worth less than that of a muslim.

Muslims like this kind of system because it puts them on top, and they want a world where they're on top. Western ideals of liberty, equality, rights, freedom of/from religion and other things muslims consider 'blasphemous" stand in opposition of their world view, and as long as western civillization stands then the muslims don't get to dominate the world and reduce everyone else to their subjects.

Also, as long as western culture exists, people will have a choice, and may of the best and brightest people under islam will choose to emigrate to the west to live in a free society rather than an oppressive one, just as people in the old soviet union fought to escape from soviet tyranny and escape to western freedom.

If you think that people in the muslim world wouldn't want to escape to a free society, ask yourself: Would you rather be a woman in an islamic country like saudi arabia or any western nation?

Thruout history groups of people have wanted to be "on top" and have everyone else under their rule. The KKK ruled parts of the south for a long time, and had a system where the white protestant male was the highest form of life on earth, and all others were beneath him. They liked this setup and hated those who wanted top change it with ideas od freedom, liberty and equal opportunity for all. That's why they murdered 3 civil rights workers in mississippi among other acts of violence and hate.

The nazis also had a system where the "aryan" male stood above all others, and hated any other world view, because it stood in opposition to their vision of world where they, and they alone, were fully 'human".

The need to fight islam is the ONE thing that conservatives are right about. They're wrond on almost every other issue, but like a stopped clock are right on occassion, and this is the one thing they are right about. Islam hates freedom and wants to destroy it so they can have their world in which only muslim males have any power.

Liberals like Al Franken often don't get this, and maybe it's to their credit. They don't understand the desire to dominate and destroy all other views because they aren't motivated by it. American conservatives, however, do understand this mentality because they themselves are so motivated by it. I mean, just listen to Sean Hannity some time, his goal is to "Hannitize" the world, just like Islam's goal is to islamize the world.

I don't like conservatives, but my hate of them doesn't stop me admitting they are right on one important issue: Muslims hate the west.

They hate us with every fiber of their being.

Well, come on, everyone, call me a "RACIST!!!" now. Seriously, go ahead and call me a racist. It amuses me when morons call me a racist for my views on islam, as islam is not a race so calling someone a racist for speaking against it is stupid and inane.

Again, I continue to think you're much more Ignorant Moron than you are Racist.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Dominus NoxWell, my sigfile is the truth, and thus needs no reconcilliation with anything.

BTW, if you disagree, please list all the islamic dominated countries where people have what we in the west could call "freedom", as in free speech, freedom of/from religion, women's rights, etc.

I live in a Muslim country Malaysia, but I could tell you of many countires in Asia and other parts of the world which are not Muslim dominated (if you think that's the only issue -religion) whose citizens do not have the same freedoms as the West (if you think all Western nations share the same kinds of freedoms).

Off course, this also means you think that because I'm living in a Muslim country some how women are second class citizens and we all live in fear.  

Do you think they (the citizens of these countries) who do not share the same beliefs systems (secular or religious with the West) are out to get you. As an American (if that's what you are) do you think that every American (who is a Muslim) who pursues the American Dream harbours in his/her heart the desire to crash planes into buildings?

You are petty dumb Nox. Most of us get that. You don't have to prove it, in every post you make on this forum.

Regards,
David R

Dominus, in all seriousness -- why bother posting this kind of thing on a RPG forum?  Wouldn't it be better to post RPG stuff here, and post this kind of thing on a political site?

"Know your audience"

Isn't this the off topic section, and don't others (including the site owner) post politics occassionally?