Maybe we should tell him about the advances made and heights reached by the Islamic world when we were girding our loins and getting ready for the 1st Crusade?

Or do you think that might break DN?

Quote from: HodgsonYou just don't have a clue about Islam and its history at all do you?

He doesn't have much of a clue about anything! Its like shooting fish in a barrel!:D  
However, it is kind of fun repudiating Donkey's ignorant notions of world affairs.And seeing as I'm such a novice at it, maybe I should reconsider my letting the Donkey off the hook.

Quote from: StumpydaveMaybe we should tell him about the advances made and heights reached by the Islamic world when we were girding our loins and getting ready for the 1st Crusade?

Or do you think that might break DN?

There's just such a wealth of easily available information on Islam and its fine history that anyone who thinks the entirety of a 1500 year old world religion is summed up by a tiny, recently occuring, localised, politicised and radicalised version of Islam is actively chosing to be an idiot.

Quote from: HodgsonThere's just such a wealth of easily available information on Islam and its fine history that anyone who thinks the entirety of a 1500 year old world religion is summed up by a tiny, recently occuring, localised, politicised and radicalised version of Islam is actively chosing to be an idiot.

Donkey Pox doesn't do research before he sounds off. I guess he must like being shown to be a total idiot.

Quote from: StumpydaveMaybe we should tell him about the advances made and heights reached by the Islamic world when we were girding our loins and getting ready for the 1st Crusade?

Yes, yes, zero, Astronomy, early medicine, all that. What have they done for us LATELY?

If those bastards hadn't invented zero I might have a positive bank account balance. Nuke 'em all!

Quote from: Dominus NoxNo, it's your own shit from having your head up your ass.

A touch.  A veritable sting.

QuoteYes, muslim countries MAY evoolve into something resembling a civillized culture someday, in which a jew can openly open a synagouge and not be killed and have his place burned down within an hour, they MAY someday evolve like barbaric christian nations and societies evolved into at least semi civillized cultures, but the problem is that for NOW they represent forces that want to destroy freedom and impose islamofascism on everyone.

I'm indulging your ignorance today, so I'm offering you a bone.  Look up the word "Wahhabism".  If you're going to throw spurious neologisms like "Islamofacism" around you might as well know who you're really talking about.

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Quote from: HodgsonThere's just such a wealth of easily available information on Islam and its fine history that anyone who thinks the entirety of a 1500 year old world religion is summed up by a tiny, recently occuring, localised, politicised and radicalised version of Islam is actively chosing to be an idiot.

Emphasis mine: Wahhabist style sects have plauged islam since the death of the Prophet, and in fact were responsible for the murder of Ali. An act not to dissimilar from saying they killed Peter for Christians...

Not recently occuring, sadly, and more importantly, endemic to most faiths, not just Islam.

Quote from: SpikeNot recently occuring, sadly, and more importantly, endemic to most faiths, not just Islam.

Ah.  As I was reading your post, I was just about to respond with "...and Christianity, and Judaism, and Buddhism, and Hinduism..." but you got it in at the finish.  Too true.

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Quote from: SpikeEmphasis mine: Wahhabist style sects have plauged islam since the death of the Prophet, and in fact were responsible for the murder of Ali. An act not to dissimilar from saying they killed Peter for Christians...

Not recently occuring, sadly, and more importantly, endemic to most faiths, not just Islam.

Oh for sure - I was thinking more of the increase in the influence and identification of Islamism. But you're absolutely right.  Extremism of various violent sorts has been a factor in most religions, eh?  Why I am telling you this I don't know, since its not you disputing that by claiming some special evul status for Islam...

Quote from: Dominus NoxYes, muslim countries MAY evoolve into something resembling a civillized culture someday, in which a jew can openly open a synagouge and not be killed and have his place burned down within an hour, they MAY someday evolve like barbaric christian nations and societies evolved into at least semi civillized cultures, but the problem is that for NOW they represent forces that want to destroy freedom and impose islamofascism on everyone.

So did you already forget the time I educated you about the fact that there are over 100 functioning synagogues in Iran?

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Forget it? He never even read it. It seems pretty obvious to me that if a post provides any sort of factual data Nox skips over it.

One thing often overlooked in discussing 'Islamic terrorism' is that there are two very distinct different forces at play.

You have the war over territory and self determination, which is the primarily 'anti-isreali' stance and the Chechynian situation.

Then you have the Islamist fanatics, who are fighting over matters of religion.

Now obviously your political terrorists could care less about the faiths of their victims, its not that you are a christian, a jew or a buddist... it's that you are not sufficiently 'for them'.

The Islamists are primarily focused on the preeminance of their particular brand of Islam. Half their enemies are fellow muslims who are not 'faithful enough', other targets would be people who oppose the rise of Islam around the world.

Note that Al Qaeda doesn't hate the US for being Christian, but for not being Christian enough (think about it...) we are 'Godless', where Christians are faithful.

Hey Spike, can you reccomend any good reading on Islam?  I'd certainly like to know more about it. I've studied tiny amounts of the history through my illustration work with Warhammer Historical, and know a little from living in a couple of the predominantly muslim areas in the UK, but I'd love to know more.

Quote from: HodgsonHey Spike, can you reccomend any good reading on Islam?  I'd certainly like to know more about it. I've studied tiny amounts of the history through my illustration work with Warhammer Historical, and know a little from living in a couple of the predominantly muslim areas in the UK, but I'd love to know more.

Aside from the Quran itself, one book I desperatly love is 'No God but God' by Reza Aslan, which details the history of Islam and how it led up to the modern era situation. His theory: Islam is currently undergoing its version of the Reformation as the West is just a bystander caught in the crossfire.  

There was another one I read that discussed the rise and fall of Muslim power in the world, but I can not for the life of me remember the name, only that the professor who wrote it was from Boston, and that the first Muslim diplomat exposed to electricity called it a 'burning wind' and dismissed it as a toy...  Missed opportunities and the eyes of children, etc...