Quote from: McrowNice try, but Kolt was just trying to suggest an alternate POV. He just happend to run into one of the roving packs of know it all jackasses that festers in Tang. Yeah, you know the ones: the guys who think they know the facts on everything and no matter the evidance you put forth it's from an invalid source.

I've run afoul of them before.

The thing is, all viewpoints are accepted in TO, as long as they are the popular ones for the TO crowd.

Quote from: McrowNice try, but Kolt was just trying to suggest an alternate POV. He just happend to run into one of the roving packs of know it all jackasses that festers in Tang. Yeah, you know the ones: the guys who think they know the facts on everything and no matter the evidance you put forth it's from an invalid source.

Actually, Koltar offered no evidence at all.

"I think X, because of Y and Z."
"I think that's wrong."
"Why?"
"Well, I just think it's wrong."

The second guy is going to get mocked wherever he's posting and whatever the topic.

But that wasn't why he got banned. He got banned because the mods didn't like him, and because he then gave them a plausible excuse to ban him.

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Oh, and someone said earlier that here that didn't apply, because we can abuse RPGPundit. Wrong. I didn't say, "don't abuse the mods", I said, "don't fuck with the mods." Because RPGPundit is a persona designed to create controversy, drama and attention, abusing him isn't fucking with him, it's actually helping him. Fucking with him would be turning the roleplaying discussion forum into Forgerspace, or turning Off Topic into some political flamefest, or everyone speaknig super-politely all the time, moderating their own opinions so that everything dissolved into bland greyness.

He's already said he'll ban someone if he thinks they're a "disruptive" poster. That means, "if they fuck with me and what I want for this forum."

Koltar fucked with the mods. He did that many times by questioning them. They find that very disturbing.

Kyle,

 Have a coke and a smile  - you're way tooo invested in this.
 By now I'm over it.  (even if others don't seem to be)


 Okay fine - have a beer and a smile....but you'll have to get it from your own fridge.


- Ed C.

Quote from: KoltarKyle,

 Have a coke and a smile  - you're way tooo invested in this.
 By now I'm over it.  (even if others don't seem to be)


 Okay fine - have a beer and a smile....but you'll have to get it from your own fridge.


- Ed C.

I'll give him one of mine for his last post. But he has to have a shot of Southern Comfort first before he chases it down with the beer.

The mods are on edge about legal complaints because of the Ken Whitman thing. They're humourless and prone to misinterpretation at the best of times, but that didn't help.

In their fantasy world, they sit in some big boardroom where they have meetings and call in their team of lawyers to discuss the Qoltarcha suit.

But since we're venting, why don't they expend some of their effort on fixing their friggin' search function.  I mean, c'mon, how lame is that.  I just picked up Roanoke and I'm sure I've seen several threads there with advice on how to play it.  I search for Roanoke but get nothing.  I then find a long AP report whose latest post was yesterday on Roanoke.  Why not get rid of those mods and get some people to fix up their forum software.  That might help the community a bit.

Sorry, I got serious there. I'll stop now.

Walkerp,

 I complained about the lack of a usable search function months ago over there. I was basically told to shut up and live with it. (This was in a Trouble Tickets thread.)

 You know if they didn't coddle the existence of The Tangency Monster that they won't let die - they might have enough memory space to restore a normal vbulletin search function .

 For pity's sake!! Theoretically its the same or similiar set up as this forum and the SJG  Forums. Two forums that I can normally do a successful search on.


- Ed C.

The mistake was to state that you had some doubts about man-made global warming. Man-made Global Warming is the New Religion. Doubt, of any kind, is blasphemy, and is treated as such. See the thread itself - its stated many times that there is "no serious debate" about the matter. Its settled, and ANY scientist (much less layman) who dares question the tenants of the New Faith are heretics who must be clensed and pruged. After all - they're ON THE PAYROLL OF BIG OIL! (ooooo!)

Morons. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Werekoala][...] Man-made Global Warming is the New Religion. Doubt, of any kind, is blasphemy, and is treated as such. [...] ANY scientist (much less layman) who dares question the tenants of the New Faith are heretics who must be clensed and pruged. After all - they're ON THE PAYROLL OF BIG OIL! (ooooo!)

Morons. :rolleyes:

Actually, questioning it is fine. You question, they answer. That's called "learning".

Doubting it with some basis to that doubt is fine, too. You offer your opinion and the reasons for it, and they respond with what they think, and their reasons for that. That's called "debate."

But just saying, "I don't believe it" and leaving it at that isn't fine. Belief or disbelief with no basis to it - that is religious faith.

Koltar didn't say, "I don't believe it, because of X and Y," he just said, "I don't believe it."

The problem wasn't what he said, but his complete and utter lack of any reasoned support for that belief, or any knowledge of the reasons for the opposing view. That's called, "being wilfully ignorant." If you want to critique an idea and be taken seriously in that critique, you have to learn about that idea, and learn why others believe in it.

For example, if I just say, "Forge theory suxxorz", why should anyone listen to me? But if I say, "Forge theory suxxorz, because -" and then show that I've read their crappy essays, then I become worth listening to.

Simple statements of belief or disbelief never get anyone any respect, nor do they deserve it.

They weren't asking Koltar to believe or disbelieve anything, they were just asking him to back up what he said. I don't think that's a big thing to ask.

In any case, he was not banned because he's wilfully ignorant, he was banned because he fucked with the mods. If rpg.net were to ban all the wilfully ignorant people, they'd have a considerably smaller membership.

Its not willful ignorance.

 All the facts are NOT in.

 Just because 80 out of 100 people say "You must believe this, because we say so !" - doesn't mean that I have to . it goes both ways...they havem't backed up their side adequately.  The 20 who disagreed might actually be the ones who are right.

Just because a majority of anyone says something about anything - that does the majority is right.

 Zheesh!!
Start a different thread about it, Kyle - its one of your pet topics, not mine.

- Ed C.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron

Rule Zero: don't fuck with the mods. All the other rules are just cosmetic

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I use rule Zero point One :
Don't get involved with the mods. At all. Do not post direct resposes to their posts. Do not post in threads they start. If one of them starts posting in a thread you're already involved in, walk quietly away.

There's an old, old folk saying : "Birds of a feather, flock together" which I have found to be largely true (with a few caveats). If you think someone's a dick, chances are you'll think similar of those they choose as their best friends. Or as fellow Moderators.

See what I mean? "I don't believe it, because... I don't believe it!" Thus, zero credibility and respect.

O'Borg, you're right. Safest to fly under the radar. If you can't avoid that, just post absolutely nothing of any substance whatsoever, like Wakshani or SteveD.

No.... its not a matter of belief.

Science is not a religion.

 Jeez- start a new thread if you want to re-start the damn argument.

Quote from: KoltarNo.... its not a matter of belief.

I can really, really hear you saying that in a Klingon voice

Dude I was once near a protest in DC where the local leftists were protesting "global warming" amongst other bullshit, and to cap it off they set fire to an old tire.

Sometimes my irony meter redlines.