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I wish Zack Snyder would remake Batman vs Superman

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Lurkndog:
I wasn't terribly impressed with the Zack Snyder cut of Justice League. The real problem with Justice League isn't the lack of supporting scenes, it's the fact that it has Death of Superman jammed into the middle of an origin movie where it doesn't belong.

To that end, I'd really like to see a cut of Batman vs Superman where Superman doesn't die at the end of the movie. It would fix so many things.

You'd end the movie with Batman and Superman having grudging respect for each other, and along with Wonder Woman, you have the core of the Justice League together, with momentum, instead of having to spend half of Justice League moping around getting the band back together.

You get nearly an hour back in Justice League to give the other heroes their backstories, and maybe introduce some more villains for Justice League 2.

Oh yeah, and you probably GET a Justice League 2.

And you get to do Death of Superman properly, late in the series, ideally as the last movie in Henry Cavill's contract. That way there would be actual uncertainty about whether Superman was coming back, plus the audience would be a whole lot more invested in the character by then. It would have impact, and the outcome would not be a foregone conclusion.

And then you get to bring Superman back, and have it carry another whole movie.

Oddend:
Ever since Bruce Timm started shoveling out direct-to-DVD bargain bin trash, the only good thing DC has licensed has been the Batman: Arkham Asylum series (which, incidentally, is a Timmverse fan game disguised in gritty-realism art).

The best we can probably hope for is a new "not Justice League" to become a success (like the Watchmen, which is now also a vehicle for corpo trash).


--- Quote from: Lurkndog on September 22, 2021, 07:48:52 AM ---That way there would be actual uncertainty about whether Superman was coming back, plus the audience would be a whole lot more invested in the character by then. It would have impact, and the outcome would not be a foregone conclusion.

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While I agree in general, I think the bigger issue is that DC/Marvel movie writing is soulless garbage to begin with. The Iron Giant is a single film, and yet no matter how many times you see him come back to life in the end, the Giant's death scene will always push you to tears. But that's because it's a work of art which happens to be a movie, rather than a movie-length trailer for a sequel which happens to have aspects of a work of art.

The death of Spock was a good real-world example of the hypothetical Death of Superman execution you've described here. It was built on almost 20 years of familiarity with the character, and there was no promise of a resurrection (the Death of Superman hadn't even been written yet, let alone become a meme); he was actually dead. Like The Iron Giant, though, the movie can still have emotional impact today, because it was a good movie on its own.

All "cinematic universe" movies will follow the J.J. Abrams model for defiling the death of Spock:


* Obnoxiously telegraph the possibility of resurrection.
* Pretend you have achieved emotional impact when the character (or their expectation-subverting substitute) "dies".
* Bring them back just like you said you would, within the same movie.
* Pretend you have, again, achieved emotional impact.
* Profit.

HappyDaze:
There was no intention of having a bad guy in Justice League that could stand up to Superman. Once Superman arrives, the villain's plan is wrecked. If Superman had been there from the beginning, there really wouldn't have been a movie, or at least not that movie (which may be what you're going with, but Snyder wanted to tell the story he told).

Ratman_tf:

--- Quote from: Oddend on September 22, 2021, 11:32:33 AM ---All "cinematic universe" movies will follow the J.J. Abrams model for defiling the death of Spock:


* Obnoxiously telegraph the possibility of resurrection.
* Pretend you have achieved emotional impact when the character (or their expectation-subverting substitute) "dies".
* Bring them back just like you said you would, within the same movie.
* Pretend you have, again, achieved emotional impact.
* Profit.
--- End quote ---

It's like the 70's comics where Superman "dies" or Lois becomes a black woman, or Jimmy Olsen shoots Clark Kent... and "kills" him, only it seems we're supposed to take it more seriously than that.

Whenever a character dies in these big franchises, unless it's done very sincerely, I'm usually annoyed more than moved.

Warder:
I wish they would do a scene for scene movie from the original Authority comic run by Warren Ellis. Wide screen utter devastation with sum big scale superhuman action. Utter bastards pretending to be superheroes(that came out with Millars run later but still, ruthless protagonists). But since Ellis has been metoo'd and the franchise has never been popular enough..

Back to Batman vs Superman.. the fight scenes were nice but i felt the whole thing was a watered down version of the Dark Knight Returns by Frank Millar. Wonder Woman was unnecessary in that movie. Batfleck beeing murderbat was an enjoyable take for me. To sum up, waste potential and mediocre outcome with Justice legue later. And on that subject, the four hour snyder cut was testing the waters for even bigger reboots/remakes/whatever of already made movies imho. Its like making a dlc out of movie content.

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