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I declare the swine wars to be over. We will now commence the Siege.

Started by Settembrini, August 02, 2007, 03:02:22 PM

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Settembrini

August 02, 2007, 03:02:22 PM
They only dwell because of viral marketing on the internet.
Now they come here in droves to fight the war, and get even more exposure.

Ignore!
Don´t confront!
I hereby commence the Siege.

Join me, or you´ll be playing their game.

The best weapon in this war is ignoring them to death.
If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

Alnag

#1
August 02, 2007, 03:04:25 PM
Yeah. It is a siege. But they siege us in that case. And your last hope is that wall of silence and ignorance. I prefere war. Or to siege them. Maybe we should pay a visit to Forge. :p
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Pseudoephedrine

#2
August 02, 2007, 03:04:47 PM
Dude, you're just another mad German in a bunker at this point.
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Settembrini

#4
August 02, 2007, 03:11:40 PM
Alnag:

The point is, we must refute their points without engaging with them directly. Engaging them directly leads to exposure.

And that´s the last straw they have. Don´t discuss with them. It´s pointless anyway, as your luke-thread has shown. They are liars and propagandists.
If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

joewolz

#5
August 02, 2007, 03:14:57 PM
Quote from: SettembriniAlnag:

The point is, we must refute their points without engaging with them directly. Engaging them directly leads to exposure.

And that´s the last straw they have. Don´t discuss with them. It´s pointless anyway, as your luke-thread has shown. They are liars and propagandists.

Get over it Sett, you're a dinosaur and they are the future.
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Brantai

#6
August 02, 2007, 03:22:16 PM
Quote from: SettembriniAlnag:

The point is, we must refute their points without engaging with them directly. Engaging them directly leads to exposure.

And that´s the last straw they have. Don´t discuss with them. It´s pointless anyway, as your luke-thread has shown. They are liars and propagandists.

As opposed to Pundit?  Yikes.

Temple

#7
August 02, 2007, 03:23:18 PM
Quote from: SettembriniAlnag:

The point is, we must refute their points without engaging with them directly. Engaging them directly leads to exposure.

And that´s the last straw they have. Don´t discuss with them. It´s pointless anyway, as your luke-thread has shown. They are liars and propagandists.

So what youre saying is that if you people start ignoring the sop called "Swine," their games will fall out of popularity, loose support,wither and die?

What kind of power do you actually imagine yourself to posess? I mean, wether or not the community here, at this site (a marginal portion of the internet roleplaying community as a whole, I suspect) mentions the games will have little to no impact on either sales, popularity or success.

The whole concept strikes me as highly absurd anyway.

Am I misunderstanding you?
 

Settembrini

#8
August 02, 2007, 03:23:32 PM
@ joewolz: Did you really just say that?

-10 reputation points.

@temple: I´m saying this site is beig flooded and subverted by swine. And that EVERY thread gives them sales, what they admit.
http://www.lumpley.com/comment.php?entry=149

Quote7. On 2006-01-12, Vincent wrote:
     Matt, Keith: that question's getting easier and easier to answer. The spikes line up pretty much to the day with threads on the Forge and RPGnet - and recently ENworld too.

Like, right now I'd guess I'm selling maybe two thirds of a book a day steady when there's no lively Forge or RPGnet thread, and then something like 3-12 books per thread on top of that.

9. On 2006-01-12, Vincent wrote:
     Oh and Andy's very right, in marginalia above - a flame war on RPGnet is CASH MONEY.
If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

Alnag

#9
August 02, 2007, 03:24:41 PM
Quote from: SettembriniThe point is, we must refute their points without engaging with them directly. Engaging them directly leads to exposure.

I firmly belive in mother wit of RPG players in general. I've acutally witnessed not one but several player's exposed to indie games returning to tradtional design. I belive in providing alternative to the "Forge way of thinking" rather than resign and leave them open field of activity, where they can hunt down newbies with...

"we are the future"

"the only innovation is indie-inovation"

"DM is doomed"

etc.

I agree, it is lie and propaganda. But are you really willing to let them broadcast it without anyone opposing them. I don't. I will be here to provide alternative point of view and to ask them for evidence for these claims.
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Spike

#10
August 02, 2007, 03:27:24 PM
Actually, Temple, boycotts have proven a remarkably powerful political tool in the last century. Of course, it requires getting a significant percentage of people behind you to make 'em work.  A lone nutter boycotting is no different, politically, than the chump without the money or need for the product in the first place.
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phasmaphobic

#11
August 02, 2007, 03:31:08 PM
You know, part of me believes that people like Pundit and Sett here are really working to promote the Forge and indie games.  I imagine threads like this will only push more interested parties that direction.

Temple

#12
August 02, 2007, 03:31:17 PM
Quote from: Settembrini@temple: I´m saying this site is beig flooded and subverted by swine. And that EVERY thread gives them sales, what they admit.
http://www.lumpley.com/comment.php?entry=149

Well, any publicity is good publicity.

Still, the games being discussed in that snippet sell pretty well anyway. And as I said,I hardly think you can "kill" Forge-based rpgs by pretending they dont exist.

Quote from: Alnag"we are the future"

"the only innovation is indie-inovation"

"DM is doomed"

Geez louise, man! Its not like its the Borg were talking about here!
Why does it have to be a conspiracy to wipe traditional gaming from the face of the earth? Why cant it be a new kind of rpg among many successful, good rpgs?
 

Temple

#13
August 02, 2007, 03:32:00 PM
Quote from: SpikeActually, Temple, boycotts have proven a remarkably powerful political tool in the last century. Of course, it requires getting a significant percentage of people behind you to make 'em work.  A lone nutter boycotting is no different, politically, than the chump without the money or need for the product in the first place.

Pretending Forge rpgs dont exist on a message board hardly constitutes a boycott, does it?
 

phasmaphobic

#14
August 02, 2007, 03:34:05 PM
Quote from: TempleWell, any publicity is good publicity.

Seriously.  I never knew the Forge existed until I saw Pundit rant about it a year or so ago, and it eventually led to me buying several good indie RPGs.

Thanks, Pundit, keep up the good work!  Your "war" is very effective, oh yes.
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