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Author Topic: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy  (Read 3938 times)

Shrieking Banshee

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #75 on: March 09, 2022, 04:20:30 PM »
Such as?
Stuff like minor telechinesis (maybe without training only visible on a microscopic level) and stuff like the Telepathic flash cards they do worked fine.

And power levels suck, but Star Wars never correlates power with being a good or effective person. Luke is ultimately the hero of the story for his actions, while Anakin is the tragic villian despite his power.

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« Reply #76 on: March 10, 2022, 10:23:51 AM »
I find the midichlorian count nonsensical.

It is not just nonsensical. It goes against what was prior established and comes across as absurdly lazy writing. THIS was all they could think of? Or to my point. Not think at all. They cribbed the idea from someone else who did the idea better.

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #77 on: March 10, 2022, 10:30:48 AM »
I mean I just feel even if you wanted a force-ometer, there was a better way to do it.

Like say an actual, force-o-meter rather than a blood test that need the viewer to not have any functioning brain cells in order to accept this.

And from the very first movie we were shown that the force could be detected across distances and in freaking space in the middle of battle.

I can just see it now. In the next "remastered directors cut Star Wars (New Hope!) Hader will leap from his tiefighter onto Lukes fighter, pop open the hood and take a midiclorian sample from Luke, "pardon me. Gotta check somethin' kid." then hop back to his fighter and comment that "the midiclorians are strong in this one..."

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« Reply #78 on: March 10, 2022, 11:33:20 AM »
It is not just nonsensical. It goes against what was prior established and comes across as absurdly lazy writing. THIS was all they could think of? Or to my point. Not think at all. They cribbed the idea from someone else who did the idea better.

What I love especially is that is utterly pointless as well. Because then the council does a 'ESP from Ghostbusters' style test on Anakin. And that works FINE!
You could have an equivalent to that but with Flash Cards instead of a computer. And you can 'measure' proficiency with more complex shapes. Sort of like a eye exam.

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« Reply #79 on: March 10, 2022, 11:43:19 AM »
I mean I just feel even if you wanted a force-ometer, there was a better way to do it.

Like say an actual, force-o-meter rather than a blood test that need the viewer to not have any functioning brain cells in order to accept this.

And from the very first movie we were shown that the force could be detected across distances and in freaking space in the middle of battle.

I can just see it now. In the next "remastered directors cut Star Wars (New Hope!) Hader will leap from his tiefighter onto Lukes fighter, pop open the hood and take a midiclorian sample from Luke, "pardon me. Gotta check somethin' kid." then hop back to his fighter and comment that "the midiclorians are strong in this one..."
I don't like midichlorians one bit, but the idea is that they detected Force "potential" while what Vader did was detect Luke's (subconscious) active use of the Force while evading Vader's shots.

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« Reply #80 on: March 12, 2022, 11:14:46 AM »
It would have worked just as well to say that midichlorians live off the residual energy that force users put out, and their presence in the blood stream indicates that someone is Force-sensitive.

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« Reply #81 on: March 12, 2022, 02:27:07 PM »
  A blood test for the force was full on retarded.  The empire would have everyone forcibly tested if this was actually a thing.  The thing with space magic, if you get me to accept it is there, do not over explain it.  Let it ride.

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« Reply #82 on: March 12, 2022, 02:59:52 PM »
  A blood test for the force was full on retarded.  The empire would have everyone forcibly tested if this was actually a thing.  The thing with space magic, if you get me to accept it is there, do not over explain it.  Let it ride.
In the novel, Tarkin, the Empire did have almost everyone tested. They tested anyone working in the government, armed forces, and big companies. Likely there were always some folks that didn't show up on the census even in the Core Worlds that slipped by and testing was probably very spotty the further from the Core you got.

They never mentioned if Leia was tested or if results for her tests were faked, but that's always possible.

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« Reply #83 on: March 12, 2022, 03:04:48 PM »
  A blood test for the force was full on retarded.  The empire would have everyone forcibly tested if this was actually a thing.  The thing with space magic, if you get me to accept it is there, do not over explain it.  Let it ride.
In the novel, Tarkin, the Empire did have almost everyone tested. They tested anyone working in the government, armed forces, and big companies. Likely there were always some folks that didn't show up on the census even in the Core Worlds that slipped by and testing was probably very spotty the further from the Core you got.

They never mentioned if Leia was tested or if results for her tests were faked, but that's always possible.

  Yeah, but wasn't that written long after the prequels...in other words a retcon of sorts? I could accept they would miss people, but it was not a thing in the trilogy...George Lucas felt the need to over explain his space magic...and authors try to make it make sense after the fact.  What I do not understand though, with the originals, is how did Vader not sense Leia to be force sensitive when he was in such close proximity to her.

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« Reply #84 on: March 12, 2022, 03:12:41 PM »
  A blood test for the force was full on retarded.  The empire would have everyone forcibly tested if this was actually a thing.  The thing with space magic, if you get me to accept it is there, do not over explain it.  Let it ride.
In the novel, Tarkin, the Empire did have almost everyone tested. They tested anyone working in the government, armed forces, and big companies. Likely there were always some folks that didn't show up on the census even in the Core Worlds that slipped by and testing was probably very spotty the further from the Core you got.

They never mentioned if Leia was tested or if results for her tests were faked, but that's always possible.

  Yeah, but wasn't that written long after the prequels...in other words a retcon of sorts? I could accept they would miss people, but it was not a thing in the trilogy...George Lucas felt the need to over explain his space magic...and authors try to make it make sense after the fact.  What I do not understand though, with the originals, is how did Vader not sense Leia to be force sensitive when he was in such close proximity to her.
She was a late bloomer? Maybe she was taking midichlorian-suppressing birth control?

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #85 on: March 13, 2022, 05:21:54 AM »
It would have worked just as well to say that midichlorians live off the residual energy that force users put out, and their presence in the blood stream indicates that someone is Force-sensitive.

Yeah, but Lucas had some vague theme about symbiosis in his head while making Phantom Menace, that didn't go anywhere and was dropped for the next two films.
Which makes his ideas about microscopic "Whils" less than exciting, because I doubt it would have added anything interesting to the lore.
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« Reply #86 on: March 13, 2022, 05:25:53 AM »
  A blood test for the force was full on retarded.  The empire would have everyone forcibly tested if this was actually a thing.  The thing with space magic, if you get me to accept it is there, do not over explain it.  Let it ride.
In the novel, Tarkin, the Empire did have almost everyone tested. They tested anyone working in the government, armed forces, and big companies. Likely there were always some folks that didn't show up on the census even in the Core Worlds that slipped by and testing was probably very spotty the further from the Core you got.

They never mentioned if Leia was tested or if results for her tests were faked, but that's always possible.

  Yeah, but wasn't that written long after the prequels...in other words a retcon of sorts? I could accept they would miss people, but it was not a thing in the trilogy...George Lucas felt the need to over explain his space magic...and authors try to make it make sense after the fact.  What I do not understand though, with the originals, is how did Vader not sense Leia to be force sensitive when he was in such close proximity to her.

I can imagine that Leia was not aware of her force potential, and since it was only potential, didn't manifest in a way that Vader would necessarily pick up on.

Luke only pinged on Vader's senses during the trench run, and only when Luke was able to avoid getting shot down as easily as his buddies.
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« Reply #87 on: March 13, 2022, 10:59:45 AM »
It would have worked just as well to say that midichlorians live off the residual energy that force users put out, and their presence in the blood stream indicates that someone is Force-sensitive.
That’s redundant. You could just test for the force radiation directly.

I’m not actually opposed to Force users literally using their mitochondria to channel the Force (how else would they? Produce psion particles from their brains?), but it’s redundant technobabble that serves no purpose other than to explain why you can’t use technology to channel the force.

When you start going into technobabble like midichlorians, then you open a can of worms to all sorts of things. Could you implement a genetic engineering program to make super jedi? Transfuse midichlorians from one person to another? It’s a bunch of stuff that just isn’t relevant to the original purpose of the Force as space magic with a moral dimension.

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« Reply #88 on: March 13, 2022, 01:11:54 PM »
  A blood test for the force was full on retarded.  The empire would have everyone forcibly tested if this was actually a thing.  The thing with space magic, if you get me to accept it is there, do not over explain it.  Let it ride.
In the novel, Tarkin, the Empire did have almost everyone tested. They tested anyone working in the government, armed forces, and big companies. Likely there were always some folks that didn't show up on the census even in the Core Worlds that slipped by and testing was probably very spotty the further from the Core you got.

They never mentioned if Leia was tested or if results for her tests were faked, but that's always possible.

  Yeah, but wasn't that written long after the prequels...in other words a retcon of sorts? I could accept they would miss people, but it was not a thing in the trilogy...George Lucas felt the need to over explain his space magic...and authors try to make it make sense after the fact.  What I do not understand though, with the originals, is how did Vader not sense Leia to be force sensitive when he was in such close proximity to her.

I can imagine that Leia was not aware of her force potential, and since it was only potential, didn't manifest in a way that Vader would necessarily pick up on.

Luke only pinged on Vader's senses during the trench run, and only when Luke was able to avoid getting shot down as easily as his buddies.
Also worth noting is that Force potential by itself doesn’t mean much beyond what looks like luck/quick reflexes unless you’re trained and a 19 year old is so far beyond the age when a Jedi would start their training that they probably aren’t seen as a particular threat. Being strong in The Force might explain her proficiency in politics at such a young age, but that’s the extent of the threat she posed.

The other thing is that, based on Leia’s comments, she’d already met Vader before the Tantive IV’s capture. If so, Vader would have noted her sensitivity and investigated it then. Being a senator’s daughter/senator probably insulated her from being taken to be an Inquisitor and without training she would not be deemed a particular threat (Ezra only became viewed as a threat once he was observed to be training with an apparent Jedi).

In other words, by the time of Ep 4 Vader would have no need to remark on her strength in the Force.

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #89 on: March 13, 2022, 04:31:01 PM »
  A blood test for the force was full on retarded.  The empire would have everyone forcibly tested if this was actually a thing.  The thing with space magic, if you get me to accept it is there, do not over explain it.  Let it ride.
In the novel, Tarkin, the Empire did have almost everyone tested. They tested anyone working in the government, armed forces, and big companies. Likely there were always some folks that didn't show up on the census even in the Core Worlds that slipped by and testing was probably very spotty the further from the Core you got.

They never mentioned if Leia was tested or if results for her tests were faked, but that's always possible.

  Yeah, but wasn't that written long after the prequels...in other words a retcon of sorts? I could accept they would miss people, but it was not a thing in the trilogy...George Lucas felt the need to over explain his space magic...and authors try to make it make sense after the fact.  What I do not understand though, with the originals, is how did Vader not sense Leia to be force sensitive when he was in such close proximity to her.
She was a late bloomer? Maybe she was taking midichlorian-suppressing birth control?

My thought was that shes latent and for whatever reason really hard to detect. It could also be that you cant detect someone unless they are using the force, consciously or unconsciously. She just never did anything to ping off the senses.

Whatever it is, she just did not register. We also know from the original movies that its really hard to nigh impossible to detect someone if they arent using the force. Or using it at low levels. Otherwise Obi-Wan would have been found out. Even Vader couldnt pin him down till he was actively doing stuff again. I'm guessing he just didnt use the force much or at all in the intervening span. Probably same for Yoda. In the novelizations they waived it off that the planet masked force presences.