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I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
Armchair Gamer:
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--- Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 04, 2022, 09:34:23 AM --- I hadn't seen Lucas' Gnostic/Averroist ideas about individuals as just vessels for the Whills, but it certainly fits in with the Mortis Trilogy he did for The Clone Wars.
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In which way? Where they just more specific vessels or something?
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More that the Father, Son, and Daughter in that trilogy were embodiments/directors of the Force, and needed Anakin to take the Father's place to maintain the balance.
Ratman_tf:
The whole Whils as microscopic force beings is a terrible idea. I mean, Galactic Patrol (Lensman) had the concept that behind the galactic politics and wars, invisible super-beings were pulling the strings. But this sounds like Lucas trying to put a materialist, mechanical system underneath a mystical ethereal one. Like when religious people try to shoehorn science into religious texts.
Star Wars is at it's best when it's taking bits of Westerns and Space Opera and telling resonant stories about the people caught up in galactic events. I think The Mandalorian 1st season showed that really well.
And I'll never forgive Lucas for the Special Editions. That's when he really started to slide into whatever headspace that gave us the prequels. (ROTJ was just a toe in, and saved by the resolution of Luke's journey.)
Ratman_tf:
--- Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on March 04, 2022, 01:08:16 AM ---In addition his weird warped version Budhism would ensure that the Jedi of the Sequels would have been just as cold and distant as the ones in the Prequels. He famously hated the idea of Luke being married for instance. Because he sees detachment as a good thing because he got divorced and remains bitter because it leads to enlightenment.
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I think some detachment is a good thing. If you're desperately clinging to someone or something, it can make a person make all kinds of terrible decisions.
But this is the guy who took a throwaway line from Empire (He's too old to begin the training.) and made it literal and turned the Jedi into a bunch of baby snatchers. So he's hardly the type of storyteller to put any proper nuance on the idea.
Shrieking Banshee:
--- Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 04, 2022, 03:42:38 PM ---And I'll never forgive Lucas for the Special Editions. That's when he really started to slide into whatever headspace that gave us the prequels. (ROTJ was just a toe in, and saved by the resolution of Luke's journey.)
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The special editions are terrible, but I think the Prequels have allot of elements I like. I think they serve to tell a collectively more interesting story than the OT, though as individual parts they are worse.
--- Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 04, 2022, 03:48:36 PM ---But this is the guy who took a throwaway line from Empire (He's too old to begin the training.) and made it literal and turned the Jedi into a bunch of baby snatchers. So he's hardly the type of storyteller to put any proper nuance on the idea.
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To be fair, they are baby COERCERS which makes it better? :P
He did though by accident (which is why Im glad he can't clarify his position in cannon anymore). The Jedi in an attempt to avoid any corruption lost any attachment to protect the people under them, and as such where blindsighted by manipulation. Thats a good story and actually with a degree of nuance. The story works if after centuries of success, the Jedi had become dogmatic and wrong, and not that the Force (a thing of life) is ultimatly against normal healthy behaviour.
ATLA deals with this sort of thing incedentally, and pretty much says that the Avatar cannot be detached because his role is in protecting the world.
Overall the PT are nuanced, just executed ham-handedly. Honestly I would say the PT would work better as a PG-13 series. The Clone Wars but with stakes and tension.
Ratman_tf:
--- Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on March 04, 2022, 04:46:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 04, 2022, 03:42:38 PM ---And I'll never forgive Lucas for the Special Editions. That's when he really started to slide into whatever headspace that gave us the prequels. (ROTJ was just a toe in, and saved by the resolution of Luke's journey.)
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The special editions are terrible, but I think the Prequels have allot of elements I like. I think they serve to tell a collectively more interesting story than the OT, though as individual parts they are worse.
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Totally. I defend the prequels a lot. I like the galactic politics, (Which were missing from the sequels. I still don't understand what the First Order and Resistance were fighting about)
and some of the ideas. But many of the specific details make the whole thing underwhelming as a story about a hero's tragic fall.
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