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Author Topic: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy  (Read 6834 times)

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2022, 12:01:03 PM »
I'll add Neeson to your performances list as a matter of personal taste. I agree with the other three listed.

   I almost included Neeson as a fourth, but not being much of a judge of acting beyond my own personal taste, I found him solid but not as enjoyable as the other three.

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2022, 12:01:15 PM »
If you view maintaining a consistent narrative to be boring.
The narrative I was born into was of a tale of a fall and rebirth of a galactic republic. As such doesn't feel inconsistent to me. Im always in favor of having a different story set within the same universe following different aesthetics and tones as long as it ties into a spirit, which to me it does.

I guess to the new generation Star Wars will be a story about never ending Death Stars blowing up a never ending supply of planets, and being blown up in turn by a never ending supply of chosen ones and I guess it will make sense to them in that way.

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You are exactly the kind of fan that Disney is looking for.
I can spin this your way as well. 'If you want to see the same story retold over and over with the same technology, ships, and plot repeated ad-nausem with nothing new, you are the kind of fan that Disney is looking for'. And I hated/figured out what the ST would be when I saw first saw the TFA poster and saw another Deathstar, so don't tell me what I think.

The ST pissed in both our cornflakes.

They were the "Guardians of Peace and Justice IN the Old Republic" not "OF the old Republic". Maintaining peace and justice should have been their primary goal. Not just protecting the Old Republic's economic interests.

Well they never protected their economic interests. But them getting politicized and as such blinded by its faults I think serves the narrative well.
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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2022, 12:05:35 PM »
I differ from this only in that I think there was just enough wiggle room left after TFA that someone who knew what they were doing might have been able to pull out of the dive.

I didn't have this opinion after what happene to Star Trek. A reboot based on nostalgia will be a series BASED in nostalgia. But I agreed that the most talented writer in the world might have pulled it off , similarly to how you can theoretically survive jumping off a plane without a parachute.

But if everybody was applauding the jump, they never had the motive of ever course correcting.

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2022, 01:02:19 PM »
A lot of Boomers (Lucas was born in 1944), especially in California, were big into Eastern philosophies like Buddhism and Taoism--these things were trendy back then. Before that there was Chinoiserie, after that Gen-Xers were more into samurai and ninja and kung fu, and then Millennials are into anime (and after that it's cultural appropriation).

"Let the universe go by and be one with nature" is an extremely watered-down version of Taoism. (So, yeah, the hippies were getting their ideas from somewhere.)

"Don't desire anything" is the ultra-simplified version of Buddhism. (Desire leads to attachment, which leads to suffering...) And Buddhists do have monks, like Catholics.

There's also something thoroughly American about Star Wars, with the Rebellion reenacting the American Revolution as they overthrow an oppressive colonial power.

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2022, 01:23:29 PM »
This is why I’m writing original fiction rather than patronizing the bloated perpetually rotting fandoms of corporate properties. The entertainment industry has ground everything into shit, so there’s really no option to stimulate myself besides writing my own stuff.

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2022, 02:55:31 PM »
This is why I’m writing original fiction rather than patronizing the bloated perpetually rotting fandoms of corporate properties. The entertainment industry has ground everything into shit, so there’s really no option to stimulate myself besides writing my own stuff.
That is definitely how to do it for both fiction AND rpgs.

How often have we seen a licensed RPG fail not due to lack of fan interest, but because it’s license got yanked (ironically often because the game was popular enough that the IP owner upped the fees beyond where the licensee could make a profit)?

Owning your IP prevents all that crazy and is why, unless it gets sold outright, no one in their right mind would license the D&D IP from Hasbro if they shut the line down (but there are plenty of nuts who’d try to do it anyway).

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2022, 05:00:15 PM »
This is why I’m writing original fiction rather than patronizing the bloated perpetually rotting fandoms of corporate properties. The entertainment industry has ground everything into shit, so there’s really no option to stimulate myself besides writing my own stuff.
That is definitely how to do it for both fiction AND rpgs.

How often have we seen a licensed RPG fail not due to lack of fan interest, but because it’s license got yanked (ironically often because the game was popular enough that the IP owner upped the fees beyond where the licensee could make a profit)?

Owning your IP prevents all that crazy and is why, unless it gets sold outright, no one in their right mind would license the D&D IP from Hasbro if they shut the line down (but there are plenty of nuts who’d try to do it anyway).
I'd do it for rpgs too, but fiction is probably more profitable. Comparatively speaking, since it's pretty much impossible to predict whether a given piece of writing will become popular or not. Not that I'm doing it as anything more than a hobby. Writing is not profitable unless you miraculously hit it big while doing it as a side gig.

With rpgs, you have additional complexities to worry about like systems and so on. I'm not married to any particular system, but I have a preference for rules lite systems because then I have less rules to write. Risus is probably my favorite system because it's so simplistic, and if you want further complexity then that is very easy to add on to by virtue of being so simple.

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2022, 05:29:08 PM »
I guess to the new generation Star Wars will be a story about never ending Death Stars blowing up a never ending supply of planets, and being blown up in turn by a never ending supply of chosen ones and I guess it will make sense to them in that way.
Episode 10: The Jedi blow up a binary death star
Episode 11: The Jedi blow up a Klemperer rosette of death stars
Episode 12: The Jedi blow up a death star swarm
Episode 13: The Jedi blow up a Jupiter-sized death star
Episode 14: The Jedi blow up a death star Dyson sphere
Episode 15: The Jedi blow up a death star powered by the black hole at the center of the galaxy
Episode 16: The Jedi explore the multiverse and blow up all possible death stars

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2022, 06:40:58 PM »
Sadly, the network effects make competing with D&D almost impossible. You can make your little indie game and it might survive for a year or so, but in the end to play game X you need to find someone else who plays game X, and if game X isn't D&D that's kind of hard.

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2022, 07:05:46 PM »
Sadly, the network effects make competing with D&D almost impossible. You can make your little indie game and it might survive for a year or so, but in the end to play game X you need to find someone else who plays game X, and if game X isn't D&D that's kind of hard.
This is part of why I'm steadily giving up on tabletop games in favor of writing prose or even making video games. I don't know why, but it's just easier to find people that way.

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2022, 07:09:23 PM »
The more I read about Lucas's ideas about what he wanted for the sequels, the happier I am he is just not doing anything anymore.

I thought he would have been more daring, but turns out he was just wishing to do Sequels-Lite. He just seems to increasingly throw out ideas without thought, even if they contradict his previous ones.


So thank goodness for the Sequels which are so bad people just discount them completly.
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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2022, 07:13:30 PM »
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So dumb that, until the prequels, the presumption was that Anakin was just straight-up publically married to his unnamed wife (who survived long enough in hiding on Alderaan for Leia to have hazy memories of her) and Jedi got married and had kids just like anyone else because there was nothing in the OT to suggest otherwise.

I have a pet theory that Lucas confused Bushido with Budhism, because OT Jedi as Samurai (who DO have a strong family tradition) makes a ton more sense than the emotionless monks of the prequels.

I mean, seriously, as written why would they have ever developed any sort of martial traditions, much less lightsabers and the specialized forms and tech related to them? Likewise, if the philosophy was ultimately just to “peace out” into the Force why would they even bother recruiting and, more fundamentally, how the heck did they get the sort of influence to make testing for midichlorians* a standard procedure for infants in the Republic? It’s just nonsense atop nonsense that only makes sense if the Jedi didn’t use to be like that and only fell into this degenerate anti-life state slowly over generations since the Sith were believed destroyed (but then what’s Yoda’s excuse… he was around for virtually the entire Order’s post-Sith existence).

I think he tried to mixed sort of Buddhist-like pantheist vibe with Templar tradition. Knight-Monks was thing in Europe, and they were assumed to be well monks but fighting, otherwise celibate and dead for world. It didn't work very well overall, and I personally as Catholic consider it abberation of ancient monkhood alas it was present.
Also Buddhist monks had martial traditions, and could be very engaged in politics despite whole - no bounds religious mantra. See Theravada monks standing for Burman nationalism, and supporting often actively persecutions of Muslim minorities in Burma. I'd say such duality is very much real thing, but it should be somehow disputed and showed in movies. Instead they sort of gloss over whole Jedi being Republic's secret service shtick.

If I was to make a shot I'd triple this schizofrenia, and add politics as religious activity in vein of Roman Republic inspired by beautiful situation where head of Senate I think is abruptly stops irregular activities of squabbling senators, and when accussed of taking sides, says something in line - ITS NOT POLITICS FOOLS, IT'S RELIGION.

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In the OT, there is no evidence to suggest that the Jedi were large in size nor that they worked for the Senate. If, as originally presented, the Jedi were simply a religious order of people who operated with a specific belief system yet all had normal day-to-day jobs (such as Obi Wan being an actual General for the Alderaany army), then the Jedi could have fought against the rise of the Emperor the entire time which would not only have made the prequel Jedi the good guys, but also provided a much more believable reason as to why the Emperor hunted them down.

Yes, but also quite obviously they were not just ordinary worshipers with day-to-day jobs. Because their training gave them superpowers, and I doubt any sane government would left this unchecked. (Which can imply once upon a time Jedi Order was sort of coerced into public service.)

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They were the "Guardians of Peace and Justice IN the Old Republic" not "OF the old Republic". Maintaining peace and justice should have been their primary goal. Not just protecting the Old Republic's economic interests.

Economics crisis is in fact one of greatest overall endangerments for peace. So yeah keeping big economical contracts kept should be major job for such organisation.
Give me more trade negotiations, dammit.

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2022, 08:47:01 PM »
Concerning Jedi samurai/monks:

Historically, many samurai retired to become Zen monks.  So mixing the monasticism with the swordsmanship of the Jedi makes sense.  The original Star Wars largely borrowed the plot from the samurai film, "The Hidden Fortress."  Lucas was and presumably still is, a big fan of samurai films & culture.  Hence, swords over guns, the helmets of the stormtroopers (which are pretty much copied from old samurai masks), and even the concept of the Force, which is basically the Dao, meaning path, or way.

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2022, 09:03:26 PM »
Historically, many samurai retired to become Zen monks.  So mixing the monasticism with the swordsmanship of the Jedi makes sense.

Retired from action to become passive. Not become monks to fight stuff. No it doesn't make sense.

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Re: I am thankful for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2022, 10:35:01 PM »

So thank goodness for the Sequels which are so bad people just discount them completly.

Yep. I don't even care to discuss the sequels much. I don't consider them Star Wars, and I don't find them interesting or entertaining.
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