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« on: August 05, 2008, 05:38:51 PM »
If you are not living in the USA or you are a college kid, this rant is not about you.  I have no idea about foreign economic conditions or non-USA job markets, but I do know the USA job market very well.  Here, geeks can make money.

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I drive a late 80s BMW. Lest anyone feel I'm being elitist and/or showing off, I should note it's in a condition that would cause any sane human to run screaming from the experience of driving it


When the fuck did we become a hobby where people felt they need to apologize for owning a 80s BMW?   When the fuck did gamers become these nigh-homeless bastards where owning a 20 year old car could possibly be considered elitist?  

For months before 4e, I kept seeing these "how will you pay for the books?" threads along with the yearly "how will you save for GenCon?" on various forums.   Outside of the third world, this shit is embarrassing.  

What's next?  "Will trade books for food?" threads.  

If you are in the USA and out of college and can't afford a non-classic used BMW from Madonna's youth, you fucked up and need to spend less time gaming and more time getting a real job that pays real money.  Shit people, geeks are the money makers in the 21st century.

Turn off WoW and get some mad real world skillz.

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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2008, 05:41:35 PM »
Oh, shit. Of course.

I'll just run out and get a terrific job. I wish I had thought of it sooner!
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2008, 06:10:46 PM »
You all got to move to Uruguay.

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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2008, 06:27:09 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2008, 06:28:50 PM »
I drive a Highlander. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

Or something.
This forum is great in that the moderators aren't jack-booted fascists.

Unfortunately, this forum is filled with total a-holes, including a bunch of rape culture enabling dillholes.

So embracing the 'no X is better than bad X,' I'm out of here. If you need to find me I'm sure you can.

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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2008, 07:47:17 PM »
I drive a three  year old car and just bought a very nice house, thank you. I'm not even a proper geek with proper geek skills.  I get paid to smite motherfuckers and eat the corpses... or something.
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2008, 07:50:14 PM »
er... I drive an '87 subaru with a blown head gasket! I'm the elitestestestest!
You are posting in a troll thread.

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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2008, 07:52:33 PM »
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Here, geeks can make money.


I'm no geek, but I make money. I couldn't tell one end of my computer from another.

Out of curiosity, do you have any clue what the market is like in my parts? Because I know right now the local papers have been running stories pretty regularly about people with college degrees forcing high school kids out of their minimum wage jobs, because the market is that bad.

But I get your point. I don't completely agree. But then you're not looking for that anyways, so no worries.

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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2008, 08:23:56 PM »
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You all got to move to Uruguay.

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You really do make it sound great, man.

So, to be honest, I'm not really sure what's up, but my family blew its money at a time when I never had a say. I graduated college, but, you know, I'm an English major. I moved to look for a better job market, but I'm still pretty broke.

Anyhow, I see lots of ads for copywriters, but to be honest, they all want more copywriting experience then I have. So, my jobs really arn't typically going to pay a bunch. Unless your geekery is tech-related, there's no promise that you'll be rolling in dough.
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2008, 09:47:00 PM »
I wanted to be a history major. I really had a passion for it. Not just a "I want to be like Indie!!" kid kind of thing but I wanted to work with museums or as an archaeologist. Then I did some research and saw how difficult it was to get a job and how little those that got a job got paid.
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I wanted to be a software engineer. So, I ended up being one....and an industrial engineer....and a CMA....and a dual linguistics major....and a game designer....and a business owner...well, you get the idea. Over educated and under employed.

So, yeah, get a better job or at least know what you are getting into. ;)

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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2008, 10:23:47 PM »
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I graduated college, but, you know, I'm an English major. I moved to look for a better job market, but I'm still pretty broke.


I have an English degree.  My suggestion is to avoid limiting yourself to jobs that sound like an English degree qualifies you for them and think of your degree as a general Liberal Arts degree that qualifies you for any job that requires a college degree but not a specialized technical degree.  English-related jobs like publishing pay pretty badly.  Good interpersonal skills are key and if you don't naturally have them, learn them.  If you don't know how to interview, learn that, too, because there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2008, 10:27:19 PM »
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So, yeah, get a better job or at least know what you are getting into. ;)


Sometimes it's easier said than done. (From here I just drift into a general conversational tone, not directed at any one specific person.) I can't tell you how many people I've seen who's decisions have been made for them. It's not if they'll be treated like shit, but what kind of shit they'd like to be treated like.

I've worked pretty hard to not be held back by circumstance in my life, but trust me when I say it's not been a cake walk.

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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2008, 11:04:59 PM »
I moved to Japan because I don't need a car here. It was less effort than getting a car in Australia and being judged by how old and what type it was...
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2008, 11:05:58 PM »
I actually was homeless once for a few weeks. I mean genuinely without any place I could afford to stay, not merely stuck in a youth hostel or something. That was when I lost my old rpg collection. I had two backpacks, one had clothes and day-to-day stuff, the other had books and personal stuff I could live without - including my rpg collection. The second one was pretty heavy and hard to schlep around with the first one, so I put it in a train station locker, hoping to pick it up in a couple of days.
For the next ten days, I had $50, that was enough for food but not for somewhere to stay. After that I got something like $150, so I could stay someplace. However the train station lockers, you had to put the money in to get the goods, and it was something like $3 every four hours, not much if you really are just waiting for a train, but after a week... I preferred sleeping in a bed with hot food to my books, so I wrote them off.

So there was one time in my life where I had to choose between housing and keeping my rpgs.

But that is not the usual condition, and some gamers just like to whine a lot. I mean, you can be pretty hard up in the West and still afford to game. Spend $4 at an internet cafe, go to John Kim's list of free rpgs, download a light one which uses d6es and is 1-20 pages, spend $0.20-$4 getting it printed at the internet cafe, then go to a junk shop and buy some half a dozen d6es for a dollar or so. And so for under $10 you have some gaming. Shit, most gamers spend more than that on junk food each session :)

Obviously if you have a good public library nearby, or a good enough imagination to make up your own game system, you can do all that for free :)
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If you are in the USA and out of college and can't afford a non-classic used BMW from Madonna's youth, you fucked up and need to spend less time gaming and more time getting a real job that pays real money.
Unless of course your goal is not simply to make as much money as possible for you. There are many other goals people have in life. For example, if it were a matter of money, few of us would get married and have a mortgage, let alone children. But lots of us have goals involving a home and a family. But those require money, so this is why married people sometimes pursue second degrees, or work in jobs they dislike.

For example, I have a friend who has a wife, a daughter and another on the way, and a huge mortgage. He's in a job where he earns a decent salary, but a salary which leaves them a bit tight financially - compared to their large debt and expenses. He works in IT, and could leave his current job and go to some start-up and earn 50-100% more - but the startup might be dead in 12 months, and he'd be looking again. He chooses long-term security over shorter-term income. To support one goal, he compromises on another.

We each have our own goals, pursue them in our own way, and if we want one thing, often must compromise on or leave out another. So that many of us are not earning as much money as we could.
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2008, 12:19:38 AM »
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Sucks to hear about your hard times man.

I chose not to respond to Spinachat whatsoever, as his little rant pissed me off to the point I had to go buy myself a soda to calm down.


All I'm going to say is, some people do not have a lot of money for a multitude of reasons. A lot of people without a lot of money start playing rpg's because they are a reatively inexpensive form of almost limitless entertainment. I know it's one of the reasons I still play RPG's.
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