Ladies, gentlemen and gerbils, all your stories about being "survivors" of this and that may or may not be true. It's the internet and everyone is anonymous....and we all know what that means. If it is true, only you know and you can't prove it to those who doubt you. If you are playing a character online, welcome to the internet where many people play all sorts of victim cards for attention.

Triggered is a psychological term that's been co-opted by fucktards when they actually mean "something I don't like" or "something that makes me uncomfortable or not happy".

I do not enjoy rape in my entertainment (but I like vampires and Alien and yes, I know I know). It's kept me off a lot of anime and probably would knock Goblin Slayer off my Netflix list.

I have no idea if Goblin Slayer is the bestest show evar, but I do know this: Everyone should watch what they enjoy and accept that others may watch stuff they don't enjoy.

The culture war aspect is being told YOU should not watch something you enjoy because WE don't approve of it.

And that mentality must be shredded with ferocious mockery.

Indeed. A friend of mine likes an anime called Elfin Lied. But I just did not like it. Know several who love the Terraformars manga. But I really disliked it. Same with Ozamu's ode to Kirito/Kirihito Sanka which is relentlessly bleak in its depictions of just what hell the characters have to endure because of their affliction.

Compared with most anime I have ever seen, I think this is not ultra anything. It is more average on violence, and I would say after 4 episodes the sexual content is way tame as well.

I need to check out this Goblin Slayer anime then...

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1063027I need to check out this Goblin Slayer anime then...

It would have gone mostly unnoticed if it wasn't for the usual suspects jumping on their soab boxes and Making It A Thing.

Streisand Effect in full force.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1063125It would have gone mostly unnoticed if it wasn't for the usual suspects jumping on their soab boxes and Making It A Thing.

Streisand Effect in full force.

I checked out some reviews of the manga dating from before the anime release. It is pretty much your generic grimdark bandwagon garbage. I remember that the youtube review of Year One comic book was amusingly angry in tone.

There was another review from a D&D channel which criticized the world building as contradictory. For example, the writer cannot decide whether the goblins are a genuine threat or not. They seemingly cause massive amounts of devastation and yet nobody notices. Numerous unbelievable excuses are made, but this is not particularly realistic.

If goblins were really the horde of destruction they are portrayed as, then nobody would dismiss them as low level and unimportant. There would be massive amounts of money to be made from hunting goblins due to the high demand for it. Villagers who couldn't afford to hire adventurers would be killed by goblins until there is nobody left to complain, people would move away like they did in real world history whenever violence made life impossible, and people would live in huge walled bastions to protect themselves from the ever present danger.

The show is a great example of what to avoid when world building.

I dont know, I find it entertaining.  I guess unless a bit of art is unbearable, i do not attempt to critique it too much.  It passes the 23 minutes pleasantly for me.  To each their own.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1063277If goblins were really the horde of destruction they are portrayed as, then nobody would dismiss them as low level and unimportant. There would be massive amounts of money to be made from hunting goblins due to the high demand for it. Villagers who couldn't afford to hire adventurers would be killed by goblins until there is nobody left to complain, people would move away like they did in real world history whenever violence made life impossible, and people would live in huge walled bastions to protect themselves from the ever present danger.

I've watched enough of it now to see that that is the whole point. It is a meta-critique or deconstruction of D&D-style world-building. It takes the tropes of World of Warcraft et al and deconstructs them, asking what would the actual implications be of such an odd setup.

I think Goblins slayer is a better example of Big things and little things in fantasy, much like in the Game of Thrones series, most of the nobility and gentry mention from time to time how the "small folk may suffer" which means some peasants get hacked to death, raped to death, burned to death or otherwise have horrible atrocity visited onto them.  Fact is the lord of a region generally did not send a garrison out if a peasant holding was raided by bandits.

   It is like in the USA, everyone agrees that people killing one another in gang violence is terrible, but the answer in the real world largely seems to be, talk about how terrible it is as you make sure to never do anything personally about it and make sure to live a good distance from it.  I take that same view on the goblins.

Quote from: S'mon;1066640I've watched enough of it now to see that that is the whole point. It is a meta-critique or deconstruction of D&D-style world-building. It takes the tropes of World of Warcraft et al and deconstructs them, asking what would the actual implications be of such an odd setup.

Deconstruction doesn't actually mean that. It's a form of analysis done by critics, not content creators. This wrongful usage may be traced back to TVtropes, which is obvious when you compare their page on deconstruction with Wikipedia's page on the topic. In fact, the tvtropes pages actually acknowledges that their re-definition doesn't even have a clear meaning they can agree on.

If you're trying to depict realistic consequences of fantastical circumstances, insofar as that statement makes any sense, that's called realism. Some authors have called it "magic realism" or "naturalistic science fiction," but it's all just realism or at least what the author personally perceives as realistic.

If you are taking an established genre and depicting its conventions in a negative light for the purposes of mockery or critique, that's called satire. Stuff that tvtropes has traditionally called "deconstruction," like Evangelion, Madoka Magica and so forth... all of that is satire. Although modern media typically depicts satire as comedic in nature, there's no reason that satire cannot be written in a serious or dark tone.

Quote from: oggsmash;1066668I think Goblins slayer is a better example of Big things and little things in fantasy, much like in the Game of Thrones series, most of the nobility and gentry mention from time to time how the "small folk may suffer" which means some peasants get hacked to death, raped to death, burned to death or otherwise have horrible atrocity visited onto them.  Fact is the lord of a region generally did not send a garrison out if a peasant holding was raided by bandits.

   It is like in the USA, everyone agrees that people killing one another in gang violence is terrible, but the answer in the real world largely seems to be, talk about how terrible it is as you make sure to never do anything personally about it and make sure to live a good distance from it.  I take that same view on the goblins.

Game of Thrones is a satire of the courtly politics from medieval romances that were mindlessly copied by fantasy fiction post-Tolkien. Rather than competent heroes and villains like Aragorn and Saruman, the nobility are idealistic morons and vicious psychopaths that make the evil ice fairies causing a zombie apocalypse look like the good guys.

Goblin Slayer isn't even a real satire or remotely realistic. It's just overwhelmingly bleak for its own sake and the world building falls apart upon inspection. Aside from the goblin rape tacked on, it is still a generic D&D setting.

Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash does this sort of stuff better. Its bleak but it isnt a slaugher-fest.

But shows like Goblin slayer go back at least to the 80s, some relentlessly bleak and others not so bad.

Goblin Slayer is frustrating because it seems like the author wanted to present a particular message and failed utterly. The story includes gratuitous rape and brutal violence directed at teenagers without ever really examining why it includes those things. To be dark and edgy? To mock the mainstream for sanitizing violence? To be cool? I have no idea.

After the first episode, though, it doesn't maintain a consistent level of darkness. It just feels like most other fantasy anime of the season.

To be quite honest, the brutality was not necessary at all. It would have been perfectly acceptable if the goblins, I don't know, laid eggs inside people with their teeth like the Magog in Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1067293To be quite honest, the brutality was not necessary at all. It would have been perfectly acceptable if the goblins, I don't know, laid eggs inside people with their teeth like the Magog in Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda.

As long as they then fucked them with their dildo-like force lances!
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